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ITC rules that HTC is violating two Apple patents, threatens all of Android

0. phoneArena 15 Jul 2011, 19:47 posted on

Apple had filed a lawsuit claiming that HTC infringed on 10 patents, and the ITC has ruled that HTC is indeed in violation of two of those patents, which could cause trouble for HTC in importing devices into the USA...

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posted on 16 Jul 2011, 13:58 1

112. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Problem is, Apple isn't asking for cash. They're asking to ban other cell manufacturers from the US. They're using the US patent office as a means to illuminate it's biggest competitor, Google. Apple could care less about HTC, they just want Google out of the picture and they can't do it with their OS, so they're chipping away at Android one piece at a time. Hopefully, the USPO will change a few things before this becomes a much bigger problem.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 14:16

115. lollipop (Posts: 43; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)


Dude if MS continues to enforce Royalties on Android handsets the platform will eventually die just because it will not be "Free".

With Patent trials all companies aim for the harshest maximum penalty inorder to force a Royalty settlement. That is how it goes. Your notion that they are going after Google is absurd especially since in all truth if Apple wanted Google out of the way they could just BUY Google...... Apple is the FAR RICHER company between the two..

I mean really if they wanted Android dead they could just buy up google and divest the division that makes Android as a seperate company to avoid Antitrust Regulations. Doing that would force the new company to require liscensing fees as the only reason the OS is free is due to it just being another Analytics farm for google to sell.

All the while the deal would be completely legal (And Profitable) because Apple does not compete with Google on anything but Browser and Phone/Tablet OS.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:32 10

3. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Apple needs to grow up and realize they aren't the only kids that can play on the playground. Did Apple go on a suing frenzy when phones like the Voyager and Instinct were around? Of course not, because they have nothing to fear. Android is taking over and Apple is afraid, that's why they are suing and trying to stop Android phones from being imported to the US.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:46 9

6. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)


You have to protect your intellectual properties. Not an Apple fanboy either I just believe in keeping what is yours or at least being paid for it.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:51 6

10. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


You honestly think Apple invented everything? Including being the first touch screen cell phone? You would be incorrect.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:57 8

17. stealthd (unregistered)


No one said they did. Stop making stupid straw-man arguments.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:18 7

25. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Then they have no right to sue anyone.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:26 3

29. stealthd (unregistered)


Lol, okay.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:37 1

67. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


They just did, lol.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:32 3

39. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)


Who claims that? Doesn't mean Apple doesn't have any patents that they have the right and should protect.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:26 7

30. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you have every right to protect your property. But apple is as guilty as anyone.. if not more.. of blatantly ripping off people's ideas. touch screen smart phones were around long before apple and they stole from others. They already have to pay nokia and MS for every iphone sold, if they keep it up google will hopefully step in the ring, and by the time they are done showing all the iOS5 simillarities to android, they will be getting paid by apple as well

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:33 7

32. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


You are right, you have every right to protect your property. If you invented it yourself. Not when you copy and steal from others.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:00 3

34. stealthd (unregistered)


Which is why Apple sued in the first place. They have the patents, they have the right to sue. Why is that so hard to understand?

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:11 2

35. yrusoignorant (unregistered)


Because on the internets there is no reasoning with people. If they argue they figure you will give in and they will win.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:32 1

49. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Wow, I can't believe you're saying Apple copied touch screen smartphones. Just because they weren't first, doesn't mean they should get sued for making a touch screen device. That's like suing Toyota for making cars after Ford made the first one or suing Apple for making computers after Microsoft. Just doesn't make sense.

Companies have ripped off Apple so much more than Apple has to any other company. And like you said, Apple is already paying some companies for every phone sold. Now its time for the copiers to pay-up. If the pull-down menu is so important to Google, they should fight fire with fire and sue Apple right back. If they don't think its similar enough to take it to court, then that's their problem.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 13:36

107. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


personally i think google is trying to stay out of it directly because they make so much money on the iphone. It would be a big hit monentarily if apple went with say Bing instead of Google as their search provider and started locking out google apps.

Of course that would be bad for apple as well as it would turn away users. Google makes some of the most important stuff on anyone's phone OS.

Google is the smartest no matter what phone u use. They already make tons of money off of EVERYBODY.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:51 2

11. luis_lopez_351 (Posts: 951; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)


HTC also manufactures WP7 phones too you know. its not always about android.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:59 5

18. hepresearch (unregistered)


Microsoft has been more closely allied with Apple as of late, than with Google. If this does go through, I see WP7 trying to cannibalize Android market share, and iOS picking up most of it without so much as a whimper from anybody else. A WP7/iOS two-horse race is more mutually ideal for Microsoft and Apple. Getting rid of Google's Android will take the pressure to compete off of them, and free up their resources for fighting off the last of Blackberry/QNX and webOS. The others are already lost.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:45 7

5. mr. droid (Posts: 278; Member since: 21 Aug 2010)


dont talk bad about apple. they will probably come and sue each one of us individually by tracking our phones and try to charge us with slander.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:13 6

21. hepresearch (unregistered)


shhhh... that's why I said what I said earlier. If it looks like I favor iOS, maybe Steve Jobs will let me stay here longer...

haha... well, time to cancel this post so it never gets posted... wouldn't want Steve to know...

aw crud...

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:02 3

59. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


this is a sad attempt at a joke, lol

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 06:40 1

74. hepresearch (unregistered)


Yeah, reminds me of something my grandfather would have tried to turn into a joke... major groaner...

+1 to E.N.

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 03:51 1

155. mr. droid (Posts: 278; Member since: 21 Aug 2010)


because apple is a sad attempt at a phone manufacturer and nothing but a sue-happy evil giant that people get sucked into because of big advertising (smart on apples part really) but they really created their own reputation and in doing so gained an insurmountable amount of loyal followers.

I guess in some way, the same could be said for android.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:47 4

7. Superguy (unregistered)


Apple is turning out to be a patent troll..

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:54 5

15. stealthd (unregistered)


Patent trolls don't actually make a product. You're not a patent troll when you make the top selling smartphone and tablet.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:27 5

31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the top selling OS is android by a wide margin. The iphone may be the top selling device, but apple makes more money off the apps on iOS than it ever will of the physical device.

Its all about OS sales, not phone sales. People need to realize that. And in that sence, iOS has been in real trouble for a while from the android onslaught. Apple is suing everyone for survival.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:55 4

33. stealthd (unregistered)


Considering this article is about HTC and Apple, device sales are completely relevant and OS sales are completely irrelevant (except in the wider possible implications of these patents in regard to other android device manufacturers).



And how is iOS in trouble? Every Android sale isn't an iPhone convert. Android sells because it's on every carrier at every price point. It's playing its own game, not beating Apple at theirs.



Besides bringing up market share is a total joke considering how weak of a platform Android is. They have the biggest chunk of market share yet they still can't attract developers, and developer support is the real measure of a platforms strengths. So why can't Android get any decent developers? Because no one buys it for being "open", they buy it because it's on every carrier at every price point. Android is the smartphone for cheap-skates, and it's pretty obvious how a platform that caters to the frugal isn't necessarily going to be the best one out there.



All Android is doing is replacing dumb phones.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:14 4

62. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


The response of an Apple fanboy lol.
"And how is iOS in trouble? Every Android sale isn't an iPhone convert. Android sells because it's on every carrier at every price point. It's playing its own game, not beating Apple at theirs."
They're playing the real game, selling phones. Apple is playing it's own game and is now trying to sell their product onto all carriers.

"Android is the smartphone for cheap-skates, and it's pretty obvious how a platform that caters to the frugal isn't necessarily going to be the best one out there."
Last I checked the iPhone was one of the most frugal phones out there. The iPhone just shatters once it drops over 2 feet. I've dropped my phone over 50 times and I have a couple of dents here and there but never as serious as an iPhone drop.

"All Android is doing is replacing dumb phones."
Recent studies show that the iPhone is replacing phones for dumb people.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:50 4

9. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)


Interesting. I doubt HTC would be banned from selling phones in the US though it is a possible outcome. I don't blame Apple for protecting their intellectual properties but I am a little annoyed by the number of lawsuits going around from each mobile phone manufacture. Sometimes I do wish that everyone would just play ball. But I guess we have to understand that in such a competitive market any advantage, no matter how small, can make the difference in being the best or the worst manufacture.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:52 5

13. jamie1988 (Posts: 2; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


all i can say is WOW steve jobs REALLY.what a cry baby you had your time now its over cant beat them in sales so you Sue what a B***h

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