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ITC rules that HTC is violating two Apple patents, threatens all of Android

0. phoneArena 15 Jul 2011, 19:47 posted on

Apple had filed a lawsuit claiming that HTC infringed on 10 patents, and the ITC has ruled that HTC is indeed in violation of two of those patents, which could cause trouble for HTC in importing devices into the USA...

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posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:56 5

16. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

Apple isn't beating android in sales, but they're ahead HTC.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:03 2

60. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

yeah and even though Android has more marketshare, that means nothing when iPhone commands 50% of all smartphone profits.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 06:42 1

75. hepresearch (unregistered)

It's all about following the money...

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:52 1

14. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

I think the worst thing that will actually happen, not can happen, will be HTC paying Apple $5-$15 per unit sold like they do to Microsoft. Which will still hurt. Either that or a lump sum settlement. But this just the worst case scenario.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:24 1

28. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

I would prefer if HTC where to pay a fee rather than being banned from the market, even tho they may not like to pay royalties per phone but currently Android is the one giving them money in lots, hopefully this won't make so many consider other plaform

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:07 6

19. spliffstarr528 (unregistered)

I find this ridiculous. If Apple wants to play "If I invented it, then I sue," then Motorola should sue Apple for making cell phones, being that they first invented the cell phone. Apple hasnt been entirely innovative and original (their introduction of iOS 5) and they need to get their s**t together and find a way to appeal to the masses, rather than eliminating the choices of the consumer.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:22 3

38. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Americans are lemmings, a few people have awakened to find that iphones are not the best phones. People just sleepwalk through expecting everything to be handed to them and to keep up with the Joneses.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 00:01

54. luis_lopez_351 (Posts: 951; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)

Where you from? Americans mean everyone from the Americas (including North central* and south america) i doubt your calling all of us lemmings. the only lemmings in out hemisphere are rotten Cubans.

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 13:02

160. jbash (Posts: 344; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)

no it doesn't, we dont call our selves united stateans, And ppl from brazil dont call themselves american they are brazilian. ask anyone in any country where americans are from, they will say from the us, united states, or america.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 00:36 1

58. spliffstarr528 (unregistered)

lol really? as an american, i find that comment very ignorant and discriminative.

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 10:23 1

157. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

To say Americans are lemmings is not ignorant - in fact it is very truthful. Look at the politicians we elect to serve us, or rather themselves. Look at the tech in America, or lack of, when it comes to rest of the world. An iphone is a smartphone for dummies, to quote a good friend of mine, an iphone user.

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 10:21 1

156. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Android OS is an open ecosystem and stands for choice, for freedom. I can go to any carrier and get an ANDROID phone. If I like something on a different model of android, chances are I can take that bit of programming and install it on my android phone. That is one huge appeal of android phones.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:10 3

20. Laurynas (unregistered)

People, remember that all this is business, ain't technical or software challenge, it is BUSINESS and MONEY MAAKING!

Company is like a big war machine and this war always goes in many levels, for example:
Software level (Soldiers: programmers)
Hardware level (Soldiers: engineers)
Judicial level (Soldiers: lawyers)
Marketing level;
And so on...

It's all about a business and money talks...

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:15

23. hepresearch (unregistered)

Such is life... I mean, business...

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:13 1

22. Rawrzellers (Posts: 224; Member since: 22 Aug 2010)

Later on it'll be released that apple had paid off certain members to rule in their favor. The bigger they are the harder they fall.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:16

24. hepresearch (unregistered)

well, the bigger they are, the better they tend to be at re-writing the history books...

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:35 1

40. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)

and later on some random person will give me 1 million dollars. See I can make outrageous claims too.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:21 3

26. Android Metalpoet (unregistered)

Dear Steve Jobs, I hope u trip on a windows phone and ur head gets cracked open by a blackberry and finally and android fan throws an iphone at u and u finally realize that ur pissing the entire cell phone world off, u cant win! Stop being such a wuss and realize that ur not god and u didnt invent the cell phone, u didnt invent computers, u didnt invent s**t! u took everyones ideas and slightly improved it and when google did the same thing u became threatened that someone out smarted u! Let it be a competitive market and see who wins by wat the ppl want! if you force ppl they wont buy, dont u realize americans are way too rebelious to comform to ur ideal world!

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:20 3

36. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Apple feels threatened by Samsung and HTC - this whole lawsuit issue is no surprise. This is why I will never purchase APPLE products. I went from WINDOWS 6.5 to ANDROID and I am not looking back. Apple is not about innovation, it is about re-invention of the 'wheel'. To each his/her own, I guess. Even if Apple does get HTC blocked from imports in the U.S., there will be other way to get their Android phones.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:41 2

41. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)

I'm just glad I'm not a blind fanboy. I'm happy that I can look at different manufactures and different OS' and see which one is better for which task. It's funny when someone calls a group of people lemmings early on but later down the thread admits that they put on blinders and refuse to look at the other options that keep coming out. Sad really.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:09 3

44. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Even the *blindest* Android fanboys on here have been able to admit that iOS itself is pretty good and that the iPhone is a good product; same with the iPad. What we take issue with are Apple's practices as a company which demonstrate constantly that Apple is not interested in operating in a truly free market, but one dominated by force and fear, and the creation of a religious devotion to their products.

However, the iFanboys...Gemini, stealthd, Taco...I've never seen them say anything truly positive about Android. They exaggerate issues that some Android phones have, they declare that Android users are all jealous of iPhone users, and in no uncertain terms show hatred for anything not made by Apple. It's religious fanaticism of the worst kind. It's like atheists vs. fundamentalists; sure, you have some assholes on the atheist side, but they mostly pale in comparison to the bulls**t that comes from the fundamentalists.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:14 1

63. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

The blindest Android fanboys can't admit that iOS is a good product. If Android users could accept that, we wouldn't have a huge parade of Android users rushing into every single iPhone post and causing havoc leading to articles with 100+ comments.

I agree with what you say about the iFanboys, but how can you blame them when the iOS users are outnumbered on this site. On almost every single iphone post we have to deal with negative comments from Android users about Apple/iPhone and listen to them glorify Android and its freedom.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 06:51 3

76. hepresearch (unregistered)

I am a religious person, but I sure must say that religious fanaticism sucks... the Apple-worshipping is super-annoying at the least. There are some Android-worshippers out there, but not near as many it would seem, and not nearly so closed-minded.

+1 to Sniggly for the scarily-relevant analogy...

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 08:42 1

85. snowgator (Posts: 3583; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

The last part of that statement hits kinda close to home for me, as I am Born Again-style Christian, and I believe fundamentalists push away people, not include them. I go to Church at the Salvation Army, and we spen nearly every dime on our food pantry, helping with utility bills, clothing (through thrift stores), school supplies and even medical perscriptions. I do not believe in the Rapture, the exclusion of women from leadership, predestination, or putting my morality into law. (I sure do not want someone else morality pushed on me.) It is tough that the news focus is always on the negative, so when some idiot who has declared himself a Pastor does something stupid it makes all the news. Fundamentalists are not evil, just often fall to that one sin that Christ talked about more than any other: Pride.

Okay, off my soapbox. Forgive me, and about those cell phones....

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 09:13 1

86. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

I hope I didn't offend you. By fundamentalists I was mainly referring to pieces of s**t like the Westboro Baptist Church, Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort, Ken Hamm, faith healers and the people who run Jesus Camp. People who do try to legislate morality, abuse children with threats of hell, spread misinformation about science, and let their children die of curable ailments rather than give up on their tenets that faith alone gets you through life.

All right, now I'll get off of MY soapbox. :)

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 10:25 2

158. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Not true, as I said, I used to have WIN 6.5 phones. For now, it is Android, due to its ease of use and mutliple phones on multiple carriers options. Technologically speaking, the best Android models are easily better than iphone 4,

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:45 3

42. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

The article does make a good point: this will probably only result in a settlement, and HTC and Android will survive.

You know, all of you who say "Apple is just trying to protect its intellectual property, neer neer," you ignore the actions Apple is taking. Other companies, like Microsoft, are content to come to agreements where they get money for Android phones sold. In cases like those, everyone wins. However, Apple doesn't want anyone else to benefit but them. This is not a capitalistic ideal, but the ideal of a mobster, a fascist, a monster corrupted by greed and drunk with power. Apple isn't content with making its billions. It wants to be the only successful business in the market.

So fight fire with fire. I say to all of the other companies: cancel any patent deals you have with Apple, then SUE THE LIVING s**t OUT OF THEM. MAKE APPLE CRAWL. MAKE THEM BEG FOR MERCY BEFORE THE END.

Okay, I'm done. Is anyone up for a spot of tea?

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:07 2

43. stealthd (unregistered)

Lol, you're smoking rocks bro.

Apples suing companies that started making Android phones after they released (and saw much success with) the iPhone. It doesn't get much simpler than that. HTC was nearly unheard of in the wireless industry before they started making Android phones; they didn't even have a Wikipedia page. Samsung was known for cheap dumb phones and appliances. Motorola was known for the Razr. They all dived in head first into the smart phone game after they saw what Apple did. When you build the mountain everyone else is trying to climb, you'd be stupid not to watch out for companies that slip up and release a product that violates one or more of your patents.

Could you at least try for once to sound objective and not like a raging fanboy?

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:18 3

45. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

HTC was nearly unheard of? Dude, just because they weren't friggin huge in the American market doesn't mean they didn't have a good standing. They were a major Windows Mobile manufacturer before they started their partnership with Google. You only need to look at that formerly nonexistent Wikipedia page in order to find that out. Samsung was not only known for its "dumb" phones (some of which were quite novel, like the Alias) but also for their Windows Mobile phones. Motorola was known not only for the Razr, but also for the Q, another mainstay of Windows Mobile.

They dove headfirst into Android once they saw what it offered. After HTC showed that Android was a viable product, Motorola and Samsung got involved. This is corroborated by articles here on Phonearena. Android is a similar concept to iOS, but in many ways has more in common with Windows Mobile and BREW. Seriously, think about it; on a BREW, Windows or Blackberry device you have a home screen which may have some functions or program access on it. Then you hit a menu/start/blackberry key and you get a list of programs and functions. This is basically the user interface for Android. It's just simplified like a feature phone while keeping the depth of function of Windows and Blackberry, and throwing in deep integration with Google's services.

So it's not really an issue of Apple not wanting others to climb its mountain; it's pissed off that another mountain grew up next to it and a lot of people decided to climb it instead. It wants to be the only mountain on the skyline.

Or, for another analogy, it's like the Empire State Building hiring a couple of airplanes to take out the Twin Towers and the Chrysler Building because it wants to be the most iconic tower in New York City. It doesn't want any other tall buildings around to take up its view. It wants everyone to stand in awe of it and no one else.

Or, instead of going crazy with analogies, stealthd, you could try just getting your facts straight for once.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 15:21

117. stealthd (unregistered)

My facts are straight thanks: WinMo was terrible and no one gave a crap about it, and no one was sad to see it disappear. My analogies are concise, yours are convoluted.

Btw, what did android offer developers? Oh yeah, an easy way out. Since they were all so utterly incompetent when it comes to software, using someone else's was their only way. How innovative!

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:23 2

46. Dion (unregistered)

stealthd, mate, you're an idiot and you're living in the world of Apple made everything - and the funny thing is, it's clear you don't know anything about technology. You're biggest mistake is arguing with philosophy and not with actual intelligence,

How did smartphones actually appear? of your eyes and realise that Windows Mobile was the first smart OS for mobile devices. That was followed by BlackBerry and then iOS. Windows Mobile held the throne for a long time, then BlackBerry hurt them a little bit, and then iOS came and took over. Now Android is here, and Apple is losing. No company can be the best, there'll always be competition.

Apple dived into smartphones because it new it sucked at computers. Apple was known for making toys for kids - because that's what Mac was at the time. Windows was the real deal.

So Apple rushed in, after Microsoft did - they knew they had to take control of the smartphone market.

You need to stop sucking Steve's d**k and start researching a bit more. You're way behind.

But it's okay, we're used to it - typical Apple fanboys.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:27

48. Dion (unregistered)

Open your eyes*.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 15:17

116. stealthd (unregistered)

Having an opinion does not make one a fanboy. Being correct certainly doesn't either. Stop pretending everyone that disagrees with you is a fanboy. It's pretty obvious you think that way and it makes your whole "argument" sound pathetic.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 15:34

118. stealthd (unregistered)

Seriously: wtf. It's amazing how someone can post so much hypocritical garbage without realizing it.

Apple sucked at computers huh? Despite the fact they're credited with bringing the PC to market, and Apples computers have been increasing in sales lately while Windows based PCs continue to decline.

And WinMo and blackberry devices were terrible. I can see why you'd bring them up, since they were there first, but as someone with actual first hand experience with them, both using and selling them, they were just awful. People bought blackberries for the keyboard. That was it. I'm referring to consumers here. No one bought a blackberry for it's smartphone capabilities, the keyboard was all they cared about. I don't feel it's necessary to go into how bad WinMo was, considering how quickly it disappeared from the market (not that it had a significant presence to begin with).

It's funny you should mention having knowledge of technology since you clearly have none. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about: you clearly don't, and it doesn't help you have the argumentative skills of child.

Phone arena is filled with fandroids who do nothing but agree with each other and you're just another scrub in the circle-jerk. Just because you're a fanboy and I disagree with you doesn't make me a fanboy as well.

posted on 19 Jul 2011, 23:45

173. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


You need to stop arguing with emotions. The fact is I proved you were wrong. You stated so much false information - it wasn't funny.

I never said Windows Mobile or BlackBerry devices were better. That's completely irrelevant. But I can see why you'd argue like that - because you ran away from your previous statements.

C'mon, man. Where's the proof that HTC was non-existent? Where's the proof that Samsung was known for making cheap phones?

It's funny how you talk out of your ass and not out of your brain.

I love it how when someone smarter comes into an argument, you turn into an emotional retard.

Stop this, stop that. Seriously - grow up. You want an argument - you got one. Deal with it. Simply saying I have no knowledge doesn't prove anything. Go on - show me how much knowledge you have.

Stop crying because of your wrong. It wasn't my fault - it was yours. Next time, state proper facts.

And for you information, Microsoft gives all but 2 cents on Mac's increase in sales. Windows wipes its ass with the amount of market share Mac has. Last time I read, Windows has a market share of over 80%.


Microsoft couldn't care less. Your increase in Mac sales argument is completely pointless. They've got a very, very long way to go to match Windows.

Try again?

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 07:55

82. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)


Since Wikipedia pages matter, everyone should also take into consideration that Apple has it's on "Criticism of Apple" Page. hahaha


posted on 16 Jul 2011, 09:15

87. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Well, Wikipedia does currently maintain an accuracy rating just below Encyclopedia Brittanica, unless you're talking about articles on pop culture. And yes, i've noticed the "criticisms" section. :)

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:52

53. biophone (Posts: 1956; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

I don't think apple actually wants HTC banned and they know it won't happen but if they are ask for it to be banned then they can settle for 10 dollars every phone they sell. Makes sense to me.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 00:24

56. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Sure, ask big and then settle. I get it. The problem is that when Apple gets struck down, they can't take "no" for an answer and come right back again looking for more.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 06:59

77. hepresearch (unregistered)

Ah, Sniggly... I don't normally drink tea, but for you I would surely stoop to an herbal tea

+1 for the truthful... ahem... entertaining post... (darn it, another Freudian slip)

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:25

47. Dion (unregistered)


posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:36 3

50. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Like I said android copied iOS down to the core and Apple has the patents to prove it.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:39 2

51. Dion (unregistered)

Apple has been sued by other companies as well, such as Nokia.

Apple has copied - and a lot of companies have the patents to prove it.
Are you that stupid that you need to suggest Apple has patents? Thanks for the obvious statement.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:46 2

52. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Taco, you're ignoring some key facts: these are only two of ten patents that Apple originally claimed were being violated by HTC. And the decision on these two isn't even final.

As has been pointed out to you multiple times, Taco, not everything-not even close to everything-in Android is copied from iOS. It's okay, shhhh, other people besides Apple have original ideas too.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 10:34 1

94. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Never said everything is copied. Android has widgets live wall paper and Trojan horse apps which are google originals

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 12:36 2

99. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Come on, Taco. Unf**k yourself and recognize that Android deserves positive credit.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 12:52

101. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

He does however have a point that apple brought apps to the masses and without it android would probably have never got so popular.

Sensation 4rever!

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 16:01 1

122. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

Oh sure, the OS that puts trojans on your phone deserves credit lol

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 16:52 1

127. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

I said two things fandroids quote incessantly. Widgets and live wall paper. Isn't that why you guys say android is light years ahead of iOS?

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 23:57

152. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

Define 'ahead'

posted on 19 Jul 2011, 23:47

174. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


Thanks for ignoring my response. Better luck next time.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 00:27 3

57. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

So we can say that iOS is copying Nokia os because they lost to them and have to paid them right? All HTC have to do it prove that their phone have been using this before apple then that are good. You know that they have made smart phone starting from 2002 right?

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 10:36 1

95. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Apple is paying Nokia for their patents. Htc is not and they need too. Did you even read the article. Apple owns these patents which means they came up with the idea.

posted on 18 Jul 2011, 09:10 1

167. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)

No it means they were granted a patent for the idea, not that they come up with it.

A patent is intended to mean they came u with the idea, but in practical terms, it does not. Evidenced by the process to nullify a patent if it was granted in error [which is a possible result of a case like this one].

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:05

61. rfrapp (Posts: 77; Member since: 10 Jun 2010)

Damn run-on sentences. Learn how to write correctly PhoneArena

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:42

68. washburn (unregistered)

who gives a C%@p grammar nazi!

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:49 1

69. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

HTC has no chance. Instead of copying Apple, they should've just came up with their own ideas.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 03:28 1

70. pirate_777 (Posts: 16; Member since: 27 Feb 2010)


posted on 16 Jul 2011, 04:53 1

72. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

-forced closed-

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 07:51 5

81. iSheepHunter (Posts: 55; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)

-Sorry, signal can not go through-

-try holding your phone a different way-

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