ITC finds that the Apple iPhone does not infringe on Motorola patent
0. phoneArena 22 Apr 2013, 21:47 posted on
Chalk one up for the Apple patent squad as they scored a victory over Motorola when the ITC ruled that the Apple iPhone did not infringe on a Motorola patent for a sensor; the so-called ; the 862 patent covers a "sensor controlled user interface for portable communication device" which is the technology that prevents a phone from accidentally hanging up when it is pressed against your face...
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1. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Yet the "rectangle with rounded corners" patent lives on. Who needs to think up new technologies when you can just patent shapes?
4. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 5360; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
A shape that's very significant and brought smartphone to the masses.
7. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
The rectangle has been around for centuries, there is nothing significant about it. Palm and RIM brought smartphones to the masses long before there was an iPhone or Android devices.
18. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 5360; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
And what did they accomplish? RIM has been on life support for years while Palm died and the remnants are being shifted around to LG now.
39. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Steve jobs died too, does that mean he accomplished nothing? These two companies pioneered the smartphone, but your rather unique appreciation of Apple will not allow you to acknowledge the work of any othe company before Apple, so this conversation is pointless. Have a great day.
10. weinerslav (Posts: 126; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
you're clearly not aware about what a smartphone is and for how long they are among us...
14. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
without internet you would probably commit a suicide....so poor life's meanings you DO have :)
16. Sniggly (Posts: 7227; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
While it can't be argued that the rectangle is the most common form factor among smartphones and tablets, Apple didn't come up with it by a long shot.
And the implication that the iPhone brought the smartphone to the masses is a fabrication. The iPhone was 600 bucks ON CONTRACT when it came out, and continued to be expensive for a long time.
GOOGLE was the company that brought the smartphone to the masses, because Android being given out for free allowed smartphone manufacturers to make super cheap phones with Android on them. To this day you can buy a half decent Android phone on a prepaid carrier for 100 bucks, and a good one at 2 to 3 hundred. The cheapest iPhone you can possibly buy off contract is around 350, and that was after a massive price cut because-shocker-no one was buying the iPhone on prepaid.
On contract, the only free iPhone is a 3 year old design which is starting to really show its age. Next level up is the 100 dollar iPhone 4S, which is almost 2 years old. After that you finally get the iPhone 5.
In the meantime, free on contract will get you Android phones with processing power, memory capacity, Internet speeds, and camera quality on par with the iPhone (depending on retailer). 100 bucks will nab you the most popular Android phone by far, the Galaxy S3, which not only matches the iPhone feature for feature but also packs extras not found on the iPhone and some features which make it easier to use (not to mention a plethora of accessories).
200 bucks will, depending on your carrier, buy you a Galaxy Note 2, which is the S3 on steroids, HTC One, which has twice the memory of a similarly priced iPhone, or a Razr Maxx HD, which is far more durable, with better battery life and twice the memory.
In other words, Android's strength is in its feature set and cost for comparable tech. And the Android manufacturers do all this WHILE ALSO putting more money into each phone than Apple does.
So no, Apple didn't bring the iPhone to the masses. Until Android started eclipsing the iPhone in sales worldwide, the iPhone was the exclusive toy for rich people to display as a status symbol. Android made the smartphone into something that anyone could get at an affordable price.
20. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 5360; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Wrong. Apple's design is what made the iPhone iconic. Why else did we have many OEMs try and copy it before with the media and some OEMs calling their devices the iPhone killer?
iPhone was responsible for bringing smartphone to the masses. Yes it was expensive when it was first released but so was other smartphones at the time since the smartphone had not taken off at the time.
Those iPhones you listed - 3GS, 4, and 4S are still relevant and performs better than many Android devices of comparable age.
3GS has seen more support in years than most current Android phones, especially ones from Motorola who chose not to update many of their phones like the Atrix line.
So yes, Apple did bring the smartphone to the masses.
26. Sniggly (Posts: 7227; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Except that excluding Samsung, other OEMs DIDN'T do much of anything to actually copy the iPhone's design. Phones like the Droid, Droid X, Evo, etc all differentiated wildly from the iPhone's design. Even Samsung now differentiates a lot. The "iPhone killer" moniker was applied to anything that the seller hoped would match or beat the iPhone's sales numbers. It's like how when the Ford GT came out, everyone called it the Ferrari killer despite it looking absolutely nothing like a Ferrari.
The 3GS is not relevant at all anymore. The camera is awful and the latest versions of iOS have slowed it to a crawl.
On the other hand, the Droid X I gave to my dad still works fine with zero complaints.
The only reason Android devices of old don't perform on par is because they had jack for internal memory and RAM. I see old Android phones which were treated properly perform just fine just as often as I see them run like crap, just like iPhones.
The 4 is better than the 3GS so far, but it's already starting to slow down too. That's Apple's idea of support, after all: strip great features from iOS updates to older devices, yet still forget to optimize those updates and load the phones down with software they can't handle.
And I won't even dignify the jab at Motorola software support with an answer.
Apple did not bring the smartphone to the masses at all. Sure, it was the phone that everyone wanted for a while, and the iPhone 3G finally broke the Motorola Razr's sales figures, but it by no means made the smartphone an everyday item. At the time that the iPhone was released, Windows Mobile, Palm and Blackberry all had budget devices priced well below the iPhone-just find Ballmer's teeth grating reaction to the iPhone when it first came out for proof of this.
What Android did which was so important was marry the feature set and ease of use of the iPhone to a platform that could be found at all price points. There wasn't even a free iPhone until 2011. Prior to that, Apple simply discontinued its two generations removed phone and dropped the price of the previous generation to a minimum of 100 dollars on contract.
Android brought viable, more recent phones to the table at a lower cost. I've already illustrated the quality you get with Android even for free. I'm not interested in repeating myself.
The bottom line: the iPhone made the smartphone into something everyone wanted. Android made the smartphone into something everyone could HAVE.
34. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6944; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
No on HERE likes too patent a RECTANGLE SHAPE phone
8. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
Apple must have bribed FTC....there is no any another explanation....
33. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6944; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
of course they get free money/apple products by them. they wouldn't let anyone else win against them in court
2. nobelset (Posts: 270; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
Of course they don't infringe on anything, they're apple!
31. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6944; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
i dont call it justice i call it INJUSTICE against the ITC/APPLE
36. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
You mean an injustice against Motorola as 'an injustice' is something that not fair, wrong, etc.
41. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
injustice can be both: for an advantage vs. against someone to harm
3. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 5360; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Why does Motorola continues to try and abuse FRAND patents like this?
6. Sniggly (Posts: 7227; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Easy answer, O intelligent (*snort*) one. This isn't a FRAND patent.
9. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 5360; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Whether it's FRAND or not, it still got struck down as invalid.
11. weinerslav (Posts: 126; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
so now doesn't matter if it is FRAND or not...
12. Sniggly (Posts: 7227; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Yeah, that happens a lot. The patent system is a mess. Patents that should never have been given out get approved, patents get invalidated, infringement is declared where there is none...
Sadly, while the momentum of lawlsuits between the Android manufacturers Apple is slowing down, Microsoft is stepping up to the plate with its own round of bulls**t litigation against everyone.
I'd prefer it if the manufacturers all just f**king dropped this bulls**t. People don't buy Galaxy phones because the screen bounces at the bottom like an iPhone does, or because Apple has a notification center like Android. My years in mobile have taught me that except for some bleating idiots, one or two singular feature doesn't get a phone to sell anymore. The original iPhone impressed because it combined a lot of good elements to provide a good experience. Same with Android and many of the best phones it's come out with. I hardly see anyone mention Siri as a reason to get an iPhone anymore, and really, that stupidity stopped about three weeks after the 4S launched.
Therefore, the lawsuits have a very transparent motivation behind them: for Apple at first, it was an attempt to artificially kill what used to be an underdog but increasingly popular competitor. For the Android manufacturers it's mainly been an act of defense in order to get Apple to back down. For Microsoft and its partners it's desperation to do something, ANYTHING to slow momentum of competitors so they can ease back into the market.
22. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 5360; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
So in other words you're angry because Motorola's claim that Apple infringed on a patent was proven invalid? It's like I said before, you can't go around abusing patents that are standard like Samsung tried to do with their LTE patents or patents that fall under fair and reasonable use.
24. Sniggly (Posts: 7227; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
But this WASN'T one of those patents, Mxy. And really, Apple did the same with a lot of their patents first. I mean, christ almighty, suing someone over a tablet being a rectangle with rounded corners?
25. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 5360; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Apple only did what they did to protect their design. You would have done the same.
13. Sniggly (Posts: 7227; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Also, I'll chalk this one up as a point where you admitted you were factually wrong.
Time to give up another one of your signature anti Motorola lines, I suppose, along with "Motorola NEVER updates their phones EVER!"
23. Sniggly (Posts: 7227; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Then you're intellectually dishonest and have no place in any serious discussions until you gain consistency.
27. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 5360; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I don't need your permission to comment. Not my fault you can't handle the truth about Motorola.
35. Sniggly (Posts: 7227; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I didn't say that you can't comment. I'm saying you shouldn't comment.
I mean, it's probable you say everything you do just to get a rise out of people, in which case you're not going to stop.
37. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Sniggly, how long have you and Mxy been on this site? You(Sniggly) can't fix stupid (Mxy).
30. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6944; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
then why does APPLE always gets away by BANNING HTC phones and screw us the consumers around when we are trying too buy a product.
28. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
anyone , other the the fandroids wil tel you that thier phones once is a year or so old it shows age and lags like no other, at least tot the people I have talk to at the office, of course fandroids will say their phones run smoothly but whenever a new phones comes out they run to get it..why? the S3 was phone of the year last year, but the i4S is still selling and has not slowed down yet, why?, i buy Apple for the unmatched user experience, support tech/customer, none of those are available on Android, and thats why I came to Apple and have no plans on swtiching.
38. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I get free tech support on my Androids..I call it XDA and Google. Also, I have a Captivate running 4.2, and well, considering it is 3 years old and has a slow processor and just 1 GB RAM. People buy the next phone because it is newer. Do you know how many stupid at&t customers buy the next model iPhone while still not upgrade eligible? Millions. Perhaps, if you had a bigger screen device you could type with less errors.
40. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
G King, you're starting to worry me dude. :(
29. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6944; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
ITC ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS getting paid by the BIG FRUIT