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IBD: Apple will lose its cool this year

0. phoneArena 02 Jan 2012, 16:30 posted on

Business newspaper Investor's Business Daily is known for its use of a investing methodology that is based on cycles; after a number of extremely bullish years, the paper sees Apple beginning to lose its cool in 2012...

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posted on 02 Jan 2012, 16:32 12

1. dorfoz (Posts: 149; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

ohh boy!

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 16:38 16

2. SGSII (Posts: 53; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

WOW. Icraps are nothing without Steve Jobs.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:49 4

17. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

This has nothing to do with SJ.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 01:59 5

42. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

I'm just gonna snag onto your comment and speak... Thank you :D

The iPhone has done it'd dash, it had a good run, but people are smarter now, a lot of iPhone 4S owners admit that iOS5 sucks compared to ICS, so either way you look at it the iphone is dead, so Apple mY have lost he battle in the cell phone segment.

However... The iPad is still very popular and without doubt one of the best tablets. It is smooth, reliable and people would love to own it. Also in the PC market, Macs are easily the best and have a steady and growing customer base.

What this article is trying to say, is that the iPhone nay bit be as successful in 2012 as it has been in recent years, that it all

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 16:43 7

3. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)

Once the iphone stop selling and Apple not creating any commotion in the cell phone industry then I will believe it.... other than that ... Apple is not going anywhere...yet

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:01 12

7. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

I have to agree here...and I'll step back from my fanboyism...

We have heard reports of "Apple is going to fail" so many times before in the case of the iPad, iPad 2, iPhone 4s, iPhone 3GS, and even AppleTV second generation. Every single time, they are wrong. Now I'm not naive enough to think Apple will be on top forever, but becoming uncool for 2012 when we all pretty much figure the iPhone is going to get a total redesign? I think not. The same goes for the iPad 3. Hell, I remember when Jobs announced the original iPad and every single tech analyst wrote it off as just a big iPhone and yet it's changing the way people do business. Doctors, lawyers...hell, even teachers are using the iPad and it's changing the way tech is used in the classroom.

Liking Apple isn't just a fad that Apple doesn't deserve. We as nerds can hate Apple all we want, trust me, I know it's some folks' favorite thing to do everyday. But Apple's focus is on the general public, not nerds. The general public loves Apple and have no real reason to stop loving them. Because for once, there is a company making technology accessible for everyone. I'm a nerd and I get plenty of use out of my Apple products. But so can my mother, who didn't grow up with technology. Unless Apple makes a huge misstep, the company will remain cool and popular. Android will absolutely continue to dominate in terms of sales just like Windows has dominated OSX...but Apple is doing just fine being the minority because it is still the most desired tech company out there along with Google.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:27 5

15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

gotta agree.. if the i5 really is a total redesign and improvement I'd be extremely surprised to see it fail. Even if it only sells to iphone peeps looking for the next logical upgrade path thats still quite a bit of sales.
Maybe they are talking more about the tablet sector where competition is just starting up?

Also they might be talking about the stock value which is as much perception as it is performance. If the ipad 3 and i5 merely "toe the line" it could be seen as a "failure "... I doubt apple would care too much though as even that "failure " would garner them billions more because of their astronomical profit ratios.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 19:26 1

25. mctcm (Posts: 204; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

stock value is traded at a multiple of earnings. those earnings are projected based on sales estimates of is**t.

if those projections arent met or are reduced, the stock valuation (read: price) will fall accordingly.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:36 5

16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

I don't see Apple 'failing' anytime soon, but they will come under increasing pressure to innovate that they will not be able to use patents to shield themselves from. The record on patent enforcement is basically a mixed bag. Apple is going to have to step up their innovation game. Android is moving the bar up with ICS. MS may or may not get their act together with WP8. And, and, and.

I am personally quite happy to benefit from the pressure to innovate.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 18:35 5

22. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

The thing is...they may not have to do much innovation. I think we can all agree that Apple doesn't make too many huge leaps. They make a few, but usually they take an idea, make it better, and polish it so that the everyman can use it. To nerds, it's not innovation. But to the general public, it is. When Apple introduced Siri to the world, I think we all could have said...that's been out forever. But to the general public, it was something exciting and new. So was FaceTime (even AT&T had video chat), iMessage, and so on...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, as long as Apple continues to not focus on that "techie" stuff and just showing people what they can do with their technology, they will stay completely relevant. As long as the other guys are spouting off tech specs that your average joe doesn't understand, they will run the risk of not having an iconic phone that people will remember.

Apple can only mess up by either having a BIG misstep or simply resting on a thought of "We're Apple, no one can beat us..." Microsoft fell under that and allowed Apple and Google to take their cool factor. RIM has done the same thing. As long as they understand they are only as good as their last product, Apple will be just fine. But fail to innovate (or create that illusion) and excite people...then you're going to end up being the next Gateway...

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 19:46 3

29. mikerouche (Posts: 14; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

google seems to be stepping their game up witht he nexus advertisements, didnt see any specs bragged about., they simply showed what the phone can do using real life situations acted out. and samsungs done pretty good with that also. thats one thing apple has always had . their marketing is how theyve become so succesful. i bet they could sell ceiling fans to people.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 07:06 1

49. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

jeff, that would be true if an iphone user and all their friends lived in a vacuum where people only had the iphone. then they wouldnt know what they were missing. As people around them get android phones or even WP7 and those phones do things the iphone cant, users will start to ask "why cant my phone do that?".. then they will start to look outside the walled garden. It happens quite a bit.. people looking for more.

The iphone may be the "smart phone for non-smart phone people" but eventually like any gate way drug people start looking for more than what they are getting. iOS5 proves that point. If it wasnt true, apple wouldnt have administered android drop down notifications or voice commands. Why would they, unless people wanted those things from competitors?

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 21:35 1

35. Pdubb (Posts: 248; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)

I think the real problem is the "techie" is becoming more and more the regular person. Information is everywhere and Apple no longer has the underdog role in its favor. They are the popular clique now and as the next subculture of tech comes up where will they turn is the true question. Apple grew because Microsoft was not cool anymore. (Remember the Dell guy?) It will be interesting to see what they can come out with to help in case the iPhone slows as the iPod has. A good time to be a "techie" I have used linux, windows and OSX and i like somethings about each. We will see how things work out!!!

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 18:25 2

20. Johnny_Mnemonic (Posts: 240; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)

Gallito as I said before when jobs died he took the apple with him to the grave so I guess now you know the future of iPhone : (

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 18:29 2

21. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

Steve Jobs left Apple with a 5-year pipeline of new ideas and products.

Even the biographer of Steve Jobs didn't think it was appropriate to disclose Apple's future inventions. We know the next big thing for Apple is the TV since Jobs mentioned he finally figured out a solution.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 18:54 3

23. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)

he also said it was far from being ready… it might be their next project, but i dont see the tv as being something apple will rely on

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 16:45 4

4. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)

I just received an email. Yes phonearena changed it name to androidarena recently. So many people on PA are saying who believes analysts these days. It's just 2012 and the predictions are already there. I'm against most rumors, predictions, it has been mostly all not true.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:04 2

8. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

I'm sorry dude, but that's the nature of PhoneArena. It's been like that since I joined the site years ago. PhoneScoop is the place to be for official news.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:08 3

9. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)

It was a joke, like the iPhonearena ones

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:21 3

13. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

I should have smelled it

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:19 3

12. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Android will fail iPhone will fail we hear these rumors rather often like I said before when people talk about iPhone redesign we hear this and that. Just like playing the same loto number every day eventually those numbers will hit the jackpot but so far no lotto money. A broken watch could be right 2 times yet I think it won't be right. There are no sign of people mad at apple (aside from hatters). This is another rumor like I said s label saying its a rumor could save life's and tomorrow will be iphonearena but I guess is how things go

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 11:36

54. godsarmylds (Posts: 36; Member since: 05 Mar 2010)

Sorry im a big android fan. But i respect the i phone. And i will agree with taco. All that sounds like is theory. When share info like this. I say make sure you let that be well know. Yea, i can see how that intel can make sense but i dont want phonearena to turn to just a bunch in theory articles.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 16:49 4

5. bossmt_2 (Posts: 449; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)

iPad 3 and iPhone5 will make or break Apple's global stand. Remember not that long ago Blackberries were the top dog and not that long ago Palm was the top dog, and for a long time the RAZR was the best selling phone in the world. If you don't maintain innovation you grow stale. While Android devices offer a variety of pricing and size options and advanced technological features, iPhone is integrating Android features into their iPhone.

Siri is a slightly improved Google Voice Search that you talk to and it talks back. It's not really ground breaking, it just shows how good apple is at advertising.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 18:56

24. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)

siri does a lot more than google voice does… u cant just tell google voice to remind u to walk the dog when u get home… or to wake u up in 50 minutes after u get home from work tomorrow…

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 19:30 3

27. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Actually Google Voice is capable of setting reminders and alarms, but just not as complex as Siri, such as meetings and calendar events.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 21:15 1

33. chadrick0814 (Posts: 209; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)

I set an alarm for that or put it on a calendar. Siri....ground breaking!!!!

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 22:17 4

36. bossmt_2 (Posts: 449; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)

Siri has location synchronization, that's the only difference. For years on Android you could say "text mom" and it would. The real important features of Siri are all on Google Voice.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 16:59 2

6. cncrim (Posts: 826; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)

Well, the fruit had been bright and tasty last few years but fruit will rotten and fall until next time. However Robot will last little longer, open source is the key of that.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:15 2

10. hobble (Posts: 130; Member since: 11 Oct 2011)

Who can deny that the Apple iPhone is feeling stale? Everyone that visits this site apparantly.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:17

11. Striker (Posts: 92; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)

Yeah, right. And one mouse in jeans carries my nuts, hahaha! Wishful thinking, phonearena! Try again! :)

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:22 3

14. Gdrye (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)

i work at sprint, and i usually tell customers that i had an iphone for 4 model years and now i have a galaxy s2, they usually tell me "why you switch" so i bring out all my 4 phones iphone 1, 3G, 3GS and 4, then show them the 4S they want to buy, i sit all 5 phones down and ask then "what differences do you see" they usually say "not much at all" then i tell them to actually use the phone, then ask "what did you notice" they say "i can check my notifications like android, or "not much difference there either. I like apple, i want a macbook air, I dont want them to go down like blackberry, but if you look at history, i think if they dont want to adopt and lead the way, they will end up just like blackberry.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 05:24 1

45. xray174 (Posts: 85; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)

exactly android and wp7 is evolving alot

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:50 2

18. luis_lopez_351 (Posts: 951; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)

I find this very shallow and pedantic. as long as the apple cult lives on, this disease called "mālum fanaticus Pueri" (applefanboy) will stay predominant. lol

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 17:56 4

19. Dmann (Posts: 165; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

IMO what this article means is that the bigger part of iPhone users today doesn't care about iOS or the iCloud. They bought iPhone because of the coolness, because it is trendy.

Once this coolness factor disappears, Apple's marketshare would get back to normal over time.

But if Apple keeps launching products that revolutionize the market by making new standards and correcting current flaws, they should be on top for longer.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 19:30 3

26. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

This prediction is so wrong.

As long as customer satisfaction for idevices stays high, which it is, then it is very likely that current iphone and ipad owners would upgrade to the next iphone and ipad. And as a result of that high user satisfaction, Apple will not lose their current customers, and would likely influence non-idevice users to give it a try. Studies and surveys can prove what I've said about idevices users' loyalty to Apple. So how can Apple lose it?

Apple's gameplan of redesigning the iphone every 2 years is working really well for them and their carriers. Other than the iphone, other smartphones become obselete after 4 months, due to OEM's overkilling their customers with new releases every quarter, causing users to feel disregarded, while iphone users maintain their confidence that their iphone will stay trendy for at least 2 years, and it creates excitement and anticipation as to what the next redesigned iphone would be like, and as a result, keeps the iphone intriguing and interesting.

Apple set a huge lead over its competitors, that it would take more than just releasing new smartphones every month to close in on Apple's lead. Although android may seem to have already surpassed ios' market when all android OEM's are added and combined, but on an INDIVIDUAL scale, Apple is still significantly ahead over everyone.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 23:32 4

37. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

you hold on to that "highest selling phone" mantra tightly. im starting to think it keeps you warm at night a long side that SJ doll. lol

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 13:47

57. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@remix. I just do that because it annoys you :)

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 19:11

68. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

doesnt annoy me. just makes you look like a fool. if your ok with that, then so am i :)

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 19:33 1

28. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Well Apple still has a chance with the iPhone 5 and the iPad 3, which, hopefully, will be good enough to capture the attentions of android and WP7 users

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 19:05

67. Gdrye (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)

i think your right, i believe this is their defining moment, this will determine whether they will stay on top or not. if the iphone 5 isnt "amazing" as apple likes to put it, it will be a slight, not fast decline. Fads dont last forever, remember when the Hanson brothers were hot?

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 20:19 1

30. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

Apple needs too cool off with its law suits. Apple stocks will always drops when Steve Jobs not around.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 20:21

31. torr310 (Posts: 839; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)

for investors, keep guessing
for consumers, you just have to wait and see

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 21:12 2

32. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

Apple may lose it's cool in the eyes of tech geeks, but no one will really notice or care. Yeah Apple's iOS devices are far behind Android but remember the majority of people buy an iPhone because "it's an iPhone" and for no other reason.

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 21:22 3

34. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

cuz its labeled as "cool"

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 23:59 3

39. musi722 (Posts: 46; Member since: 15 Dec 2011)

yeah apple fan and other ones buy an idevice because its an intelligent device

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 08:46 1

50. Striker (Posts: 92; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)

"Yeah Apple's iOS devices are far behind Android..". You are either blind or illiterate, or both. Go check ANY video on youtube of a comparison between an iPhone 4S and any Handroid crap and see the result. Kids...People don't buy tens of millions of iPhones, just because they are cool(which they are), but because they just work out of the box. Best OS, best screen, best camera, best battery, best internet, best looks.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 10:50 1

51. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Dont know which android your comparing too but most androids on the market now have a more advanced Os which is obvious since most of the enhancements with ios5 made the software more like a android OS. Best screen is def not on a iphone if you look at any new android the screen are bigger and brighter with crisper quality. The iphone screen is to small to watch a movie or for a lot of people to even text on. Dont know how you can say best internet when the internet is the same no matter how you get it. I mean if you want you can say there are several internet browsers you can use or have the abilty to go to sites with flash. O wait thats a Android not a iphone. As far as battery everyone i know that now has ios5 says they get half the battery life with the nmew features and even less battery with dual core. where for heavy users most android you can get extra or extended battery. Best looks. I guess you didnt read the article or anyone esles comments huh. But either way looks is an opinion so ill let you have that one.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 11:47 1

55. musi722 (Posts: 46; Member since: 15 Dec 2011)

why we go there!
read the comparison between the iPhone 4S and freaky intelligent mobiles aka android ones
you surely got the result!
see! you are in mistake!

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 11:52

56. musi722 (Posts: 46; Member since: 15 Dec 2011)

yeah because its an iphone not a dirty, junk and ........ robot fone!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 13:54

58. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@tkf. Iphone far behind android? Well, maybe on customizing wallpapers, lol. Fandroids have the dumbest criteria on judging devices. They think that having live wallpapers make their android devices so advanced. Yes, advanced in consuming battery life on silly features like live wallpapers :)

posted on 02 Jan 2012, 23:56 3

38. musi722 (Posts: 46; Member since: 15 Dec 2011)

Apple is always the best, even now

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 10:52 2

52. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Sound like a typical Iphone user. I want a iphone ( Why? ) cause its an iphone. Iphone is the best ( Why?) Cause apple made it. Something to back this up would be great lol.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 13:57

59. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@iam. Yes, iphone is the best. Why? It's because it holds the highest customer satisfaction ratings. That is how a device should be judged. Not by wallpaper customizations, lol.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 15:19

62. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

The android does a lot more then just live wallpaper. I work for a cellphone carrier and have more people comming in complaining about what there iphone cant do that there buddy's android can. But by you guys all talking about live wallpaper which ive never heard one android user mention you just prove what I wrote and how apple users have no clue. I listed a few of the many things android can do that apple cant and your comeback was live wallpaper lol.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 15:50

64. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@iam. If what you are saying is true, then how come android phones do not come close to the iphone's users' customer satisfaction ratings? Are we going to believe what you say more than what actual survey reports say? If those android features that you are talking about is really that important or useful, then android devices would have a higher satisfaction rating than the iphone, but it does not. Plain and simple.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 19:12

69. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

are you talking android phones in general or specific android phones? I can tell you the SGS2 satisfaction is through the roof. I dont think we've had one returned in 2 months and its our highest selling phone.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 00:44 2

40. maier9900 (Posts: 272; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)

you're weird...

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 01:32 1

41. thebikerboi2 (Posts: 144; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)

well who realy knows, lets just sit back and see how 2012 pans out for apple.

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 03:28 5

43. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

Samsung is cool
apple is rotten

posted on 03 Jan 2012, 04:04 1

44. 9_HeLLs_oF_DrOid (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)

Tbh, I don't see Apple falling anytime soon. To me, it just looks like iDevices are going through 9 hells of droid. Apple might come back with a bang or might remain in one of the hells. But for sure, Apple will not perish. Atleast not anytime soon.

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