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How much credit does Apple deserve for the coming mobile 64-bit evolution?

0. phoneArena 18 Dec 2013, 17:21 posted on

There has been a lot of talk over the past few months about the move to 64-bit processors mobile processors. Obviously, the talk began with Apple's surprise announcement that the A7 system-on-a-chip (SoC) that would be found in the iPhone 5s was a 64-bit processor, making it the first 64-bit processor in a smartphone. But, as always happens when Apple does something like this, there is a debate about who was really "first"; so, I wanted to take a look at the entire ecosystem and talk about how much credit Apple really deserves in the coming mobile 64-bit evolution...

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posted on 19 Dec 2013, 06:04 1

109. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)


Without a 64-bit OS, a 64-bit SoC is just about as fast as the Cortex-A15 class in Note3.

Bit number actually matters. And you need both the chip and the OS to be 64-bit.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:16

14. ZeroCide (Posts: 777; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)


He wants to run VM phone OS's, WP, Android, Jolla, Ubuntu and Firefox all running at the same time.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 19:43

38. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1345; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


I would actually take a quad core processor and 3gb of ram vs. a 64-bit platform. That would have been more useful.

posted on 19 Dec 2013, 00:05 4

74. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


The iPhone could not support that kind of power draw. Notice that every Snapdragon 800 chip is in a phone over 5 inches and every one of them has an oversized battery. Instead Apple developed its own custom SoC that delivers the same raw performance using more advanced ARMv8 instructions, thats better optimized and can run using half the power. I know which one I prefer.

posted on 19 Dec 2013, 04:29

97. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


Why? Just to show that you have better specs when the reality is that a dual-core SoC running at 1.2GHz with 1GB RAM with 64bit runs faster than that?

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 19:24

35. superduper (Posts: 151; Member since: 20 Oct 2013)


Overkill in a phone maybe. However, did you notice that this year Apple didn't release a beefed up A7X version of their SoC for the new iPads? This leads me to the conclusion that the A7 was designed primarily for the iPad (rather than the other way round). The iPhone 5s just got a free ride.

posted on 19 Dec 2013, 00:06 3

75. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


Really it just shows that the A7 has more than enough power to account for any differences in display resolution without losing performance.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 17:48 6

7. maherk (Posts: 4024; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


As an android user, I can't but acknowledge the huge part Apple played in revolutionizing the smartphone industry. 1st came the iPhone then the iPad. Hate them or love them, when they start a trend, everyone follows. And I am not saying that Apply doesn't copy, iOS7 is a pure evidence that everyone coppies, but Apple set the standards for touchscreen quality, build quality, memory options, and the mighty app store. Still, I am sticking to Android for the moment, iTunes and the 4" screen are what holding me from going back to iPhone.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:07 5

10. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Agree 100%. Apple has always been the company that makes the things that already exist, even better. So why is it they haven't taken serious steps towards making the iPhone better? The look of the OS sucks, using nothing but iTunes sucks, but the OS itself is fantastic. Why not give people the little things we've been looking for, which would make the product even better?

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:30 3

24. JerryTime (Posts: 468; Member since: 09 Nov 2013)


Because people buy their recycled watered down product regardless with blind following. If people stopped buying their phones in such high numbers, they would be forced to change to compete. Apple would have no other choice.

Similar to what happened with iOS 7, and we all know how that turned out.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 21:03

51. bucky (Posts: 2695; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


what happened with ios 7? im curious.

Also, are you really saying millions and millions of people are completely blind? ....yea must be it.

posted on 19 Dec 2013, 00:12 2

77. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


Yeah I know how that turned out. Millions upon millions of people updated in quick fashion to the most advanced and feature filled version of the OS. Every iPhone is a Nexus device. One of the reasons I switched. Pretty arrogant to assume iPhone users are ignorant to tech buddy.

posted on 19 Dec 2013, 01:13 4

82. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)


And all those fandroids call themselves "techies" or tech savvys.

And when I point out what Android is doing wrong with ARM compared to Apple, they start attacking me without refuting my arguments.

There are many tech experts around me working on Android. 70% of them use iPhones. The other 30% hate Apple for being so advanced, thus making their job that hard.

Tech savvys choose Android?

What are they? People capable of customizing their widgets?

I'd say. Tech experts prefer iPhone.

And there are reasons.

posted on 21 Dec 2013, 16:50

124. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2146; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)


Actually, Android fans in general know more about phones than the Apple fans. You probably only know about 64-bit, despite the bashing you do about non-Apple companies; just shows how insecure and threatened you are that Android creates better OS and on better phones. Try using the 64-bit apps compared to the 32-bit apps on the iphone. No difference.

I know a lot of tech experts, most of them use Android phones. And many workplaces force their employees to use iphones and most of them are fed up with that,

posted on 22 Dec 2013, 08:26 1

125. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


I also know dozens of wanna be tech experts that think they're experts just because they have Android. Most android users are like that. Others simply buy a smartphone not knowing what they're buying, or because it's cheap or because it is a known phone. I am in a university taking IT course and it's even worse. The place where you expect people to know anything about tech know nothing and they think they're the experts because they talk about android when they don't even know the specs of they phone they use. What i'm trying to say is most android fans are actually wann be tech experts. I'm not talking this website but most even in here know nothing.

posted on 23 Dec 2013, 12:42

126. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2146; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)


"The place where you expect people to know anything about tech know nothing and they think they're the experts because they talk about android when they don't even know the specs of they phone they use. "

No, that wasn't my point. It's just that more Android fans know more about phones than Apple fans. That doesn't mean they're tech experts. I know a lot of Android users who know the specs of their phones, as well as the iphones more than the iphone users themselves.

If a lot of iphone users knew about phones, they ould go for Android. It is the truth. But Apple is really good at marketing and that's the only thing making the iphones popular.

posted on 24 Dec 2013, 06:29 1

127. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


What I was saying is that most of Android users are wannabe tech experts, I'm not saying that your friends aren't tech experts, they can sure be and the other truth is that if Android users knew more about what happens under the hood more than just knowing the number of cores or GHz or RAM they would go for the platform, not for just Android, they like because the iPhone has demonstrated that those numbers don't matter in the real world. The A7 is easily on par with any quad-core and it also has a better GPU than 90/95% of the smartphones out there.

posted on 24 Dec 2013, 14:17

128. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2146; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)


I'm talking about the Android fans in general. There are fans who are a wannabe tech experts, and those who aren't. What I'm saying is that most people who know about phones tend to go for Android since the specs of Android flagships are something that many people would want as well as the user experience. I agree with you about the GHz/RAM/etc.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:01 3

8. darkkjedii (Posts: 22062; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Tech continues to advance, chill out guys.

posted on 19 Dec 2013, 22:29 1

120. roscuthiii (Posts: 2226; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Damn right. Apple took a step forward while everyone was still putting their shoes on. Competition: It's a good thing.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:01 1

9. SAYED-EJAZ (Posts: 225; Member since: 10 Oct 2013)


Apple , apple always..

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:10 1

12. ZeroCide (Posts: 777; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)


Aren't intel atom chips 64 bit. Those have been considered mobile chips. In that case Intel was first. Then apple will take the credit for something yet again.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:18

16. brrunopt (Posts: 742; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Marketing , and Apple's field of distortion can create powerful marketing illusions...

" behold, the amazing ""desktop class"" 64 bits CPU "
R: wow....

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:21 3

19. Ninetysix (Posts: 2460; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


Going to see what you'll post when the next gen phones come out with 64-bit SoCs. Are those going to be marketing gimmicks as well?..lol

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:26

21. brrunopt (Posts: 742; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


I didn't call them a marketing gimmick but basically yes, until the start coming with more than 3GB RAM....

there are some improvements but nothing "extraordinary" and nowhere close to the main advantage (more RAM)

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:28 2

22. Ninetysix (Posts: 2460; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


I'm sorry. You called it a marketing illusion.That's changes everything. Since it's currently the fastest SoC out there, its advantage is not real. It's all an illusion.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:36

26. ZeroCide (Posts: 777; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)


It is not currently the fastest SoC i think INTEL and even AMD have faster SoC chips.

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 18:39

28. brrunopt (Posts: 742; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Do you even real the messages, of just post that whenever you see the words "marketing" , "gimminck" or something lie that ?
the conversation was about intel having a 64bit mobile SOC (Atom baytrail * ) before Apple , but them beeing the ones getting that title because of the marketing..

and for the last time , THE A7 IS NOT THE MOST POWERFYLL SOC AROUND....

* and you can even consider some of the Y-series, since they are fanless..

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 21:04

52. bucky (Posts: 2695; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


thats awesome! where are these chips used?

posted on 18 Dec 2013, 21:23 2

55. brrunopt (Posts: 742; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Tablets .

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Lenovo Mixx 2
HP Omni 10

and more on the way....

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