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How is Apple Maps any different from the Android G1?

0. phoneArena 06 Oct 2012, 09:55 posted on

Apple Maps may be a bad product now, and it may not have lived up to the flowery language that Apple used to launch it, but aside from the big announcement, how is it any different from Android 1.5?...

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posted on 06 Oct 2012, 22:55

123. bonsly16 (Posts: 70; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


I swear almost everyone in this site must be 12 years old. All you guys do is judge each other on what products you prefer. "Oh, oh hey you, Apple sucks stupid Apple fan boy. Hey, Hey, Andriod is gay, stupid Android fanboy." Grow up people and have an actual meaningful conversation. You're all a bunch of losers, excluding the people with real comments

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 00:49 1

135. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It's almost like they miss the real point of the article, which is that fanboys are ridiculous about casting judgement...

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 01:43

137. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Yes. This article is one one of your best articles I've read, and they are mostly of very high quality.

Until now, i felt like I was the the only commentator who thinks Maps aren't the real point of this article but the extreme social phenomenon that resembles religious wars, where double standards are in place.

So this point of yours is that the result of this absurd social behavior of Apple haters is that they actually start to blindly and literally take into account what Apple says in their marketing section, and at the same time call Apple fanboys extremely blind and literal.

Actually, I think Apple fanboys have dissapeared. It's imaginary enemy, used as an excuse for hatred. Even more, I think all of those once present Apple fanboys have actually become Android fanboys. Magnitude of ignorance and primitivsm on global scale certainly match.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 03:24

143. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


i must say that apple are very bold in attempting maps and going against google who practically revolutionized online features.
All in all, i do still hope that apple won't go very far. That'll teach them a lesson in humility.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 23:40 1

124. predator93 (Posts: 122; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


During the days of android g1 (october 2008), only the top phones had gps and 3g. Companies like Samsung and LG used wisepilot and other navigation softwares in their phones. But now the competition for apple is more tougher than what it was for google back in those days.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 01:40

136. JunkCreek (Posts: 407; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


"our most advanced technology (from Apple's internal perspectives view), in magical & revolutionary device (5tretched upgrade) AT UNBELIEVABLE PRICE!

Wow, never thought Apple already described it's product for IT'S TRULLY UNBELIEVABLE PRICE...

Anyone noticed?

and yes, while android has evolved to a higher level -though i hate the OVER USED OS UPGRAD: froyo to gb was an update, then upgraded to ics then upgraded again to jb, forced me to BUY COMPLETELY NEW PHONE- apple iphone ios somehow has still upgrading just like windows 95 to 98 then to windows millenium not to xp yet. may be some people like to being stagnant, some love to changing so much and some (like me or may be THE ONLY ONE) prefer about compactibility last at least 5-7 years before permanently change to a new system/os.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 01:58

138. JunkCreek (Posts: 407; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


how gmaps and imaps different?

THE ANNOUNCEMENT!

gmaps, somehow announced that gmaps needs user to participate to make gmaps better till now it has took 7 years.

imaps, it announced as it powerfull and beautifull map service ever WITHOUT/NEVER TOLD THAT USERS ARE NEEDED TO PARTICIPATE TO MAKE IMAPS GOOD!

that the different: of being arrogant and being humble.

i choose humble and honest anyway at all cost.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 02:14

139. soshi (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Mar 2012)


Compare android improvement from 1.5 to 4.1 with imaps is not right because it is old story which I believe by this time all companies have learn how to accelerate innovation. Now google won't need another 7 years to make the same improvement. FYI, everything change exponentially so apple should learn a lot. For comparison is how google now a lot better than siri although their launching almost at the same time

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 02:30

140. JunkCreek (Posts: 407; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


@soshi

it seems, apple working apps only for cheering their customers (fans) and developing for minimum budget, their customers never care anyway.

google made apps for completing their sevices as search engine, so anything datas wrong, people would upset and even lead to a great risk. and because of they collecting datas from public/users and using users participant, so google can minimized the false informationa. just see, what youtube did in IOM movie case?

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 03:08

141. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


But Michael, Google never said 1.5 was the best OS or used any superlatives to describe it. But Apple always describes their products as the best things since sliced bread, and when we as the customers find out that we've been had, bamboozled- hoodwinked (as per Malcolm X), don't we have the right to get pissed at Apple for lying to us just so they make a quick buck?

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 03:17

142. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


You've mixed the time-space continuum. You have become aware of Apple fooling you only AFTER Android's development established new critera of what to exepect on a product. Yout didn't have that criteria 5 years ago. You weren't cheated at first, only now you feel cheated because of other rules applying NOW, but Apple was always the same, and yes, they made best products back then. They are not far from it now, just have competition.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 03:28

144. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


Guy, you seem to be the one who's confused here- Apple told you what is best for you and you believed them. They told you need a 3.5" screen to be more productive- Android came with bigger screens and proved that notion to be false. They told you Siri is the best, but Google's equivalent of Siri works better and faster. They told you Maps was the best maps app ever and it proved to be nonsense.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 09:04

157. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


When they told us 3,5 inch screen is the most productive, it was still considered geneorus screen optimized for one handed usage.

When they told us Siri is the best, there was no Google Now.

When they told us Maps was the best maps app, it proved to be the nonsense.

So you see, all perception is dependent on position in time, and all interpretation retroactively changes the understanding, which is, therefore, wrong understanding. Your wrong understanding.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 09:18

158. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


You are speaking out of context of the article because Michael is not talking about current periods and past periods but considers what the products where like at launch. 1.5 was crap at launch, Maps was crap at launch. Simple.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 09:50

159. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


No, Michael is talking about double standrads. I talk about you having wrong perception of Apple's marketing strategy, and ultimately, you fall to that segment of Apple haters that just take those superlatives way too literally, like it's forbidden or something, but at the same time, sacred as a holy text.

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 12:53 1

175. rcl4444 (Posts: 40; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)


Though I agree with your general point, your examples don't.

Apple continued to insist 3.5 was most productive size even whilst others had been producing 4" (and larger) screens. Now Apple tells us that 4" is even better...

When Siri was launched there were other 3rd party Apps already available that could better it in areas. That Siri offered the best overall experience at the time is arguable, but not definitive.

Yes, perception is time dependent. However when one says "...it is the best ever..." the word 'ever' implies past, present & future (dictionary meaning is "at all times").

Apple has an incredible Marketing Department. It is difficult to believe they do not carefully choose their words without clear, deliberate intent. So if my perception is wrong that would be because Apple (and most companies) is intentionally trying to manipulate it.

posted on 09 Oct 2012, 03:38

178. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Again, you too are taking marketing phrases too literally, in sense that you suppose they should reflect the truth, which is totally opposite of marketing.

Exactly like Michael stated in his article.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 06:18 1

155. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


I don't believe the amount of people who keeps saying michael is defending apple.
Are they so arrogant as to think every writer must promote android?
Don't get me wrong. I'm an ardent supporter of android but this is crossing the line. You guys are becoming the apple fanboys you hate so much.

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 02:38

172. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


They are accusing him of being biased, being a iFan. He cant be...he wrote this:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Ultra-low-cost-revolution-Part-1-Android-multi-user-and-cultural-impact_id32967

Like I said....some folks must be new here or just dont read much articles. But according to them, he never writes about Android, or always praises Apple. This and another article by another writer had me paying more attention to writing styles here.

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 13:03

176. rcl4444 (Posts: 40; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)


He is being accused of writing this article with bias and without presenting all sides of the argument.

I for one am not saying he always does, however in this case he has. What I'm inferring from all the feedback here is that this isn't an isolated example.

And unfortunately Journalists are mostly judged by their last great or bad article - it comes with the territory.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 07:10

156. tombcd (Posts: 21; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)


There are obvious things written in the article, of course Apple Maps are in their immature state and will progress. Apple's fault was to make it live at this state as their official map app. Would it be a real problem just to leave Google Maps as for now and replace it with Apple's solution in 6-12 months?

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 10:59

160. Topcat488 (Posts: 1396; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)


Thanks for the lesson in Business 101, but most of us are not so stupid Mr. H.... Basically, the word BETA is put on a project as the last pre-release, to inform the user it's in testing and not to expect too much. I know of games online (a certain golf game for one) thats been in beta almost 10years; is it good? Hell no, some sites abuse the word... But to say a project is the best or "amazing" at its initial release, is asking for trouble, when it was not ready or fully tested... This problem was brought on from Apple by Apple... That's the difference Sir... Just my opinion.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 11:16 1

161. Topcat488 (Posts: 1396; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)


At Michael H. :

After reading Your comment at number 125 that you made. I take back my statement, as you yourself added that by not using the word BETA by Apple was their mistake. Sorry, for not reading every post before i made mine.

Topcat488

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 23:14 1

168. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I can't believe you went through enough to see that. This has been a crazy comment thread. Thanks for the due diligence, that's some real dedication! Always nice to see in a reader.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 11:19 1

162. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


normally i agree with you michael but this case i dont...comparing an app to a whole os system firstly does not make sense. also yes apple use superbalitives for marketing but then if what you saying is that apple is essentially lying then they deserve all the backlash they get...if apple had just come out and said listen this is maps beta just like they did with siri then they wouldnt have gotten such a huge backlash..when they say they have the most powerful mapping service ever when they clearly dont then they deserve all the bad press...the reason why google doesnt get bad press is that they dont hype there product up,they let there product do the talikng also the reason google gets away is that google actually try new things and when you try new things chances are you will have fails but people dont mind as google are trying to push the boundaries. its silly to suggest that you shouldnt believe apples marketing becasue apple push there marketing very hard and unlike us,the general consumers will believe it when apple says its the most powerful mapping service ever just like how they said that ios 6 is the most powerful mobile operating system which we all no is a lie.apple love to be in the news,the media so maybe next time they claim such a thing they will think twice...this is no different than if we were to claim to be something that we are not. lying is lying and what apple did was lie, if they didnt then they wouldnt have had to apoligise or change there description of maps on there site...google does get a lot of heat when they fail,you just have to google it lol

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 13:07 1

165. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


The thing is, Apple constantly exaggerates all of it's products. Google doesn't because they know that there's a possibility of failure. Google has more of a "well, here you go" type of attitude and judge how it's doing by user adoption and feed back.

Apple never thinks that they'll fail at something because they'll have those morons who buy into Apple's marketing every single time. So Apple will go out, say it's really, really good and magical and revolutionary. And when they do fail, they refuse to acknowledge it, pointing the finger of blame at the customer instead. The iPhone 4 antenna issue, Siri not being as helpful as advertised and now Apple Maps. Although Apple Maps is the only thing that they've really come out and took 100% responsibility for.

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 00:33

169. xfire99 (Posts: 874; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)


I knew Michael H will give me a warning about telling the truth. Hes is the worst writer and always on Apple side. Always finding excuse for Apple and this article is saying it. Compare a old G1/android 1,5 with Apple map is totally a joke and worst compare ever.

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 01:31

170. saynutjob (Posts: 1; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


if i created something like "fire" and perfected it over the years "call it electricity" and apple was using this "electricity" then why on earth would i go back to using "fire" and start from scratch. why should I be forced to use "fire" again especially if I paid such a high premium for my device like the iphone.

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 05:57

174. shuaibhere (Posts: 1986; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


I don't agree with this article.......
Apple's and google's way of developing products is entirely different......
Apple always comes out with nearly finished products and develops it very little time by time.....
In other hand google comes out with half made products (not in all cases) and develops it in a great extent.......
I don't see apple making a maps that is as good as google maps or anything near to it.......

posted on 09 Oct 2012, 13:56

180. dragonstkdgirl (Posts: 144; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)


Bias, my ass.

I think the problem people are having with this article is that it kind of managed to both slam Android users who are criticizing Apple Maps while slamming Apple Maps at the same time. Must be confusing. Lol. I think it takes a gift to manage to get both points across at one time, although I'm not really a fan or comparing a first try mapping app to a first try phone. Comparing two apps or two phones would probably make more sense.

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