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How is Apple Maps any different from the Android G1?

0. phoneArena 06 Oct 2012, 09:55 posted on

Apple Maps may be a bad product now, and it may not have lived up to the flowery language that Apple used to launch it, but aside from the big announcement, how is it any different from Android 1.5?...

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posted on 06 Oct 2012, 14:04

92. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Ok, I haven't read anything saying Google submitted a map app to apple. What you're saying is just speculations.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-Maps-has-not-been-submitted-to-iOS-We-think-it-would-have-been-better-if-they-had-kept-ours_id34840

http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/25/eric-schmidt-google-hasnt-submitted-a-native-google-maps-app-to-apple/

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:33 9

77. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Apple removed Google Maps themselves, so how is it not their fault. They were under contract with Google for another year when they removed it from iOS. this is 100% Apples fault.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 14:18 1

95. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Apple had over a year left on it's Google maps contract. That means they CAN still use Google maps but is not required to do so. Because of this contract Apple can include Google Maps as an integral part of iOS. But they chose to have their own map app that's why there is no Google Maps that comes bundled with iOS6. But it's not Apple's fault that there's no native google map app for iOS6.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/25/3407614/apple-over-a-year-left-on-google-maps-contract-google-maps-ios-app

http://gizmodo.com/5946435/apple-still-had-a-year-left-on-its-google-maps-contract

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:00 2

68. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


Arguably for the USA, with its terrific search, but only if you have excellent network coverage and a decent/unlimited data plan. On a global basis no one comes close to Nokia Maps. Nokia's Navteq powers 80% of the car manufacturer's nav systems. It also provides mapping data for Garmin, Microsoft, Amazon, Yahoo and now Oracle. On top of this, Nokia Navigation suite for its devices offers free turn by turn nav in over 120 countries...PLUS it has the capability to navigate fully OFF line. The whole free package includes public transport in most major cities, plus City Lens 3D augmented reality, weather, and City Guides.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 14:11

93. lyndon420 (Posts: 4559; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Maybe nokia will start selling some products in the states and canada again soon. I would possibly consider buying one if it ran Android.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 20:09 1

118. tuminatr (Posts: 774; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)


I think a better comparison would be the origonal Iphone. no 3g, no video camera, no picture messageing, dropped calls, and the list goes on.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:09

10. Hafiz (Posts: 78; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)


Very well said

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:09 4

11. darkkjedii (Posts: 22059; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


They didn't replace it with an awful one, they replaced it with one that's new from the ground up and one that's incomplete. Saying its awful due to it being new, and incomplete is like saying a new born baby is awful. Like the baby apple maps is newborn and will grow, and mature. What they should've done however is leave google maps on for the rest of the contract, until apple maps was way more mature. That was their mistake. Now let them have time to fix it like google did.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:11 7

15. Hafiz (Posts: 78; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)


If its incomplete then why did they remove google maps!!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:15 1

19. darkkjedii (Posts: 22059; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I'm still asking myself y they removed google maps early? But I don't work at apple, so one thing I won't do is sit on my couch and make stupid comments about y they did what they did.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:19 1

57. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I agree with this.

Main problem....the way Apple marketed it and it shoulda had a beta label on it. I mean they did that with Siri if I remember correctly. And Siri was a more complete product when Apple bought it from that company.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 20:12 2

119. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


It was a complete product when they bought it. Apple did change the interface and bid bake it into the OS, but many people including Steve Wozniak have said that it was better as an app (pre-Apple form).

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:08 2

81. JonBjSig (Posts: 176; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)


"...and one that's incomplete", yes, that's exactly why they shouldn't have released it yet, their contract with Google for maps was still good for another year, a year they could have used to finish their maps application.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:12 3

83. Pdubb (Posts: 248; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


I like that analogy with the baby. But let me put a different angle to it. Say your job is to fly around the world and you need a good pilot. The one you have is decent not great but he gets the you where you need to be mostly on time just without a lot of fanfare. Now say they replace this pilot with a new inexperienced pilot. He is hit or miss with his destinations and you never know if he will be anywhere on time. Is it ok to call the new pilot awul? or should you just grin and bear it while it gets better? You can call anyone awful if they cannot do the job you expect them to do.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 15:13 2

96. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1719; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Exactly, it's not awful because its NEW its awful because its not the best when the best was and could still be available

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:20 9

24. sandysingh252 (Posts: 27; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Don't worry Sir, Mr. Michael H. is just trying to defend his favorite fruit company again by searching for some excuses, I think I've never seen this person, wasting his time on writing about Android or Windows Phone. Clearly an iFan, consolidating himself by fantasizing of future updates, which may fix Apple Maps in 5 years maybe!!!!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:30 3

40. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


You should read more of Michael's articles. You don't know what you're saying man.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:24 5

59. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


If you take the time to actually read each n every writer's articles...Micheal is more open minded, unbiased than at least one other I wont name...lol.

They do a pretty good job here covering tech. I just cant see Micheal as an iFan. An iFan is one of the most irrational, closed mined ppl on the planet.

Judging by your comment....this must be your fist time here...or are fairly new here....lol. Micheal writes about more than Apple....and gets accused of being an Android lover...lol.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 00:24 4

126. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Accused and accepted. I'm never giving up my Nexus devices. That doesn't mean I can't see things from other perspectives.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:39 1

62. Hemlocke (unregistered)


That is where you are wrong. The mapping system was always Apple's, but the data set was Google's. Google wouldn't provide the data needed for turn-by-turn and other standard features on Android Maps without stipulations that would greatly benefit Google, such as branding and advertising. The previous Maps experience was not very good, at all. There are bumps with the new Apple Maps, but the application is worlds better than the old one.

As for Google Maps, the gap between Apple and Google is closer than the gap between Google and Nokia, who is well out in front of Google when it comes to mapping data.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:07 1

69. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


The problem with a nice app is that it can't make up for crap data. Navigation is one of those things where crap data is eventually noticed...usually at the worst possible moment for the user. This is why Apple knows it has a big problem. It can certainly ask for patience...it has the consumer loyalty to do this. However, if you read the Atlantic article on Nokia Maps you will begin to appreciate the long road Apple has embarked upon. Sure, it has the cash to buy more nav companies. But the integration takes time. In many cases, the acquisitions will not be possible due to anti-trust. In essence, Apple has a lot of catching up to do in this strategic area. It has the money...but time in this case is not simply money.

Do I think Apple is right to part ways with Google. Yes, it's in its long term strategic interest. However, the timing is poor. Apple should've been quietly moving data in this area three years ago. Clearly this was a calculated risk taken by Jobs, and later Cook. I'm sure they have a good idea how far they can push the user base before there is a revolt.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:08

70. Hammerfest (Posts: 383; Member since: 12 May 2012)


No kidding!

Not to mention:
"Have you ever noticed that Google always gets the benefit of the doubt simply for trying something new, but if Apple tries something new, and doesn't come out with a perfect first attempt, it is deemed an utter failure?"

When has Google tried something new and gotten the benefit of the doubt when it came to an offering they provided, that they wanted to replace with their own?

This article reaks of Apple Care (TM).

Now if Android had been powered by Amazon or some other app store, and then they swapped it out for Android Market, YES you can bet your arse they would be deemed FAIL, however, this is not, and to my own experiance in the last 10 years, EVER been the case when it comes to Google.

If you can find a case where Google had an already in place solution bundled in, then swapped it out for their own, use that, instead of the random nonsense that your entire article turned out to be (I lost braincells reading it)

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 18:32

112. Droiddoes (unregistered)


You're forgetting micheals HEAVY apple bias.
OMG micheal h defending apples never ending blunders and slamming Android/Google, fresh AND new!

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 00:26 4

127. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Question: how is it defending Apple to say that Apple released a bad Maps app, and probably should have at least labeled Maps as a beta app if not held it back to work on it more, but may have had business reasons to release it now?

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:05 4

2. darkkjedii (Posts: 22059; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Very well written, and though out article. I had the mytouch 3G running 1.5, and google maps was definitely a work in progress but it got there, and is now the mobile standard. Apple maps will get there too, just needs time and updates to mature. Apple is very good about giving updates to their OS so in time it'll be on par with google. Turn by turn works fantastic in iOS 6 though. Let the thumb downs begin!!!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:05 6

3. CivicSi89 (Posts: 348; Member since: 23 Jul 2011)


Still doesnt change the fact that in todays day and age, With the competition being Google Maps, Apple didnt try harder at this. I can understand the comparison test of this vs 1.5. yes. but this is suppose to be compared to the latest version of google maps and it falls short. completely. i dont care if they are gonna improve on it or not. the fact that apple is so arrogant that they would rather create their own maps and be proud of this mess than use google maps which are FAR more superior shows how far apple as a company has really come. Using the gimmicks like "The best" this and "the most technologically advanced" that is marketing at its best. Apple are arrogant. And i hope this is a slap in the face to them to let them know "Hey. We F'ed up. Maybe we need to start actually listening to the consumers and trying to compete to be truly different instead of trying to make whats essentially a cult designed for people who worship the word 'Shiny' "

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:18

22. darkkjedii (Posts: 22059; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Well your rite about the comparison to google maps, but how do u know they didn't try hard. Remember this is new and its the entire world we're talking about here. Everything has a beginning bro. That's the writers point.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:22 2

29. CivicSi89 (Posts: 348; Member since: 23 Jul 2011)


your right. everything has a beginning. but if your out to compete then you have to study your enemy so to speak. Which apple has no problem doing in court. but Google Maps is the benchmark. So they had no excuse. It could have been better. It feels like it was an afterthaught just to get google maps off the device.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:27 1

36. darkkjedii (Posts: 22059; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I'm not gonna argue when neither if us work for apple, or google nor do we design maps. At least I don't, I can't speak about what u do... I'll just continue to use and enjoy my device, and watch the improvements come over time. These debates r pointless when one seeks to make a valid point and one seeks to bash and insult. Not saying that's what ur doing, cuz ur not ur points are in fact good

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:32 1

86. CivicSi89 (Posts: 348; Member since: 23 Jul 2011)


i have an iphone 4S. had android before it. And going back to it. Honestly. the iPhone 5. With the addition of LTE which is nice. Just doesnt seem like its worth an "upgrade". The 4S does pretty much everything the 5 does. And is compatible with everything in my house because of the dock connector. And i regret upgrading to IOS6. Wifi is shoddy. Maps suck. and it just feels like a botched job. As i said. Apple had tons of time to develop this stuff. And im defenately not saying that anything apple makes is bad. But saying things like "most advanced this" and "Best 'that' in the world". Thats my issue. If you are gonna launch something in a closed ecosystem without putting out a Beta to work out your bugs and call something "Revolutionary" then you obviously have delusions of grandeur and you need to look at your company and what mistakes your making. Is apple to good to release a Beta? or call something Beta? Google does it. and they learn from it.

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