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How is Apple Maps any different from the Android G1?

0. phoneArena 06 Oct 2012, 09:55 posted on

Apple Maps may be a bad product now, and it may not have lived up to the flowery language that Apple used to launch it, but aside from the big announcement, how is it any different from Android 1.5?...

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posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:08 2

81. JonBjSig (Posts: 176; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)


"...and one that's incomplete", yes, that's exactly why they shouldn't have released it yet, their contract with Google for maps was still good for another year, a year they could have used to finish their maps application.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:12 3

83. Pdubb (Posts: 248; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


I like that analogy with the baby. But let me put a different angle to it. Say your job is to fly around the world and you need a good pilot. The one you have is decent not great but he gets the you where you need to be mostly on time just without a lot of fanfare. Now say they replace this pilot with a new inexperienced pilot. He is hit or miss with his destinations and you never know if he will be anywhere on time. Is it ok to call the new pilot awul? or should you just grin and bear it while it gets better? You can call anyone awful if they cannot do the job you expect them to do.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:43 7

87. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


Google didn't hold back on the app. Apple would not update it. Apple would have to spend its money to make a competitors product better. Same thing with the Youtube app. Apps on the iPhone cannot be integrated in IOS unless they come with the device and Apple thought Maps and Youtube needed to be integrated which meant updating them would require a firmware update. Apples accountants believed that it would not be worth the investment to update the apps.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 14:04

92. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Ok, I haven't read anything saying Google submitted a map app to apple. What you're saying is just speculations.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-Maps-has-not-been-submitted-to-iOS-We-think-it-would-have-been-better-if-they-had-kept-ours_id34840

http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/25/eric-schmidt-google-hasnt-submitted-a-native-google-maps-app-to-apple/

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 14:11

93. lyndon420 (Posts: 4869; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Maybe nokia will start selling some products in the states and canada again soon. I would possibly consider buying one if it ran Android.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 14:18 1

95. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Apple had over a year left on it's Google maps contract. That means they CAN still use Google maps but is not required to do so. Because of this contract Apple can include Google Maps as an integral part of iOS. But they chose to have their own map app that's why there is no Google Maps that comes bundled with iOS6. But it's not Apple's fault that there's no native google map app for iOS6.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/25/3407614/apple-over-a-year-left-on-google-maps-contract-google-maps-ios-app

http://gizmodo.com/5946435/apple-still-had-a-year-left-on-its-google-maps-contract

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 15:13 2

96. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1733; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Exactly, it's not awful because its NEW its awful because its not the best when the best was and could still be available

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 17:04 2

103. dudeyoureabarista (Posts: 16; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)


"Apple tries something new, and doesn't come out with a perfect first attempt, it is deemed an utter failure?" Well first off, Apple is am utter failure, sorry Apple fans, but let's face it, they're behind the competition. And secondly, you forgot to mention when Apple does release something the majority believe they invented it. Like Siri, voice recognition was on android way before apple. And even this it's a fail, it never even works.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 17:07 2

104. dudeyoureabarista (Posts: 16; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)


And when Android releases something they had for a long time and after the iPhone comes out with it, poof! Android copied apple. Like seriously whenever somebody mentions a voice recognition software they say they did that in order to compete to Siri or something like that.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 18:32

112. Droiddoes (unregistered)


You're forgetting micheals HEAVY apple bias.
OMG micheal h defending apples never ending blunders and slamming Android/Google, fresh AND new!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 20:09 1

118. tuminatr (Posts: 828; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)


I think a better comparison would be the origonal Iphone. no 3g, no video camera, no picture messageing, dropped calls, and the list goes on.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 20:12 2

119. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


It was a complete product when they bought it. Apple did change the interface and bid bake it into the OS, but many people including Steve Wozniak have said that it was better as an app (pre-Apple form).

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 00:22 5

125. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Apple could have just chosen that it could update Maps far faster if it were public than just working on it in house. Releasing it gives them a potential for millions of beta testers. Of course, the problem there is that Apple never said this was a beta app...

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 00:24 4

126. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Accused and accepted. I'm never giving up my Nexus devices. That doesn't mean I can't see things from other perspectives.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 00:26 4

127. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Question: how is it defending Apple to say that Apple released a bad Maps app, and probably should have at least labeled Maps as a beta app if not held it back to work on it more, but may have had business reasons to release it now?

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 03:34 2

145. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


There! Michael said it. The problem is apple. There won't be riots if apple weren't such a gigantic snob and called some beta app a 'work of art'. Should apple become like google which portrays itself as a provider instead of some elitist corporation, no one would have cared that imaps sucks

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 03:36 2

146. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


I agree. They believe that apple is the centre of everything

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 04:56 1

149. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)


Why would they need to call it beta? Google never called Android beta and it has problems all the time. It's only logical that Apple wanted to go with its own maps solution than rely on Google and allow them to profit off their data. Google didn't even want to provide some of the features Android maps has.

For what it's worth, Apple Maps actually look and function better than Google Maps when it came out. Apple has plenty of resources to make it better. Make it better they will.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 04:57 2

150. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)


No the problem is ignorance. If Google did the same thing no one would complain.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 04:58

151. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)


Corrected. Google was profiting off the data provided by iOS users through their maps. Obviously Apple wasn't going to sit well with that in addition to not wanting to update Maps like they do on Android.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 04:59

152. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)


I don't need to make excuses.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 06:15 4

154. yoomy (Posts: 1; Member since: 07 Oct 2012)


You guys are missing the point. The point is that the G1 was built in 2009. We expect better and more modern maps from Apple.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 23:02 1

166. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Not true. Google wouldn't allow Apple use of turn-by-turn navigation or vector maps. Apple could have updated the app, but it really only would have added public transit and indoor maps.

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 02:03 3

171. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 901; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


No but Google Maps was in beta for years. In fact every application that they made was beta sometimes annoyingly long but it let people use them with the honesty that it might not be 100%, hell it might even suck. Its the hubris that Apple has that pisses people off but at the same time has them lining up at launch.

You can't have one without the other. Android fan boys give Apple too much crap and nitpick but Apple fan boys fogive too much.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:05 4

2. darkkjedii (Posts: 23576; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Very well written, and though out article. I had the mytouch 3G running 1.5, and google maps was definitely a work in progress but it got there, and is now the mobile standard. Apple maps will get there too, just needs time and updates to mature. Apple is very good about giving updates to their OS so in time it'll be on par with google. Turn by turn works fantastic in iOS 6 though. Let the thumb downs begin!!!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:23 4

31. noim1 (Posts: 297; Member since: 15 May 2012)


Did Apple pay PA to write this article?????

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:05 6

3. CivicSi89 (Posts: 349; Member since: 23 Jul 2011)


Still doesnt change the fact that in todays day and age, With the competition being Google Maps, Apple didnt try harder at this. I can understand the comparison test of this vs 1.5. yes. but this is suppose to be compared to the latest version of google maps and it falls short. completely. i dont care if they are gonna improve on it or not. the fact that apple is so arrogant that they would rather create their own maps and be proud of this mess than use google maps which are FAR more superior shows how far apple as a company has really come. Using the gimmicks like "The best" this and "the most technologically advanced" that is marketing at its best. Apple are arrogant. And i hope this is a slap in the face to them to let them know "Hey. We F'ed up. Maybe we need to start actually listening to the consumers and trying to compete to be truly different instead of trying to make whats essentially a cult designed for people who worship the word 'Shiny' "

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:18

22. darkkjedii (Posts: 23576; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Well your rite about the comparison to google maps, but how do u know they didn't try hard. Remember this is new and its the entire world we're talking about here. Everything has a beginning bro. That's the writers point.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:22 2

29. CivicSi89 (Posts: 349; Member since: 23 Jul 2011)


your right. everything has a beginning. but if your out to compete then you have to study your enemy so to speak. Which apple has no problem doing in court. but Google Maps is the benchmark. So they had no excuse. It could have been better. It feels like it was an afterthaught just to get google maps off the device.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:27 1

36. darkkjedii (Posts: 23576; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I'm not gonna argue when neither if us work for apple, or google nor do we design maps. At least I don't, I can't speak about what u do... I'll just continue to use and enjoy my device, and watch the improvements come over time. These debates r pointless when one seeks to make a valid point and one seeks to bash and insult. Not saying that's what ur doing, cuz ur not ur points are in fact good

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