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How is Apple Maps any different from the Android G1?

0. phoneArena 06 Oct 2012, 09:55 posted on

Apple Maps may be a bad product now, and it may not have lived up to the flowery language that Apple used to launch it, but aside from the big announcement, how is it any different from Android 1.5?...

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posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:02 64

1. bloodline (Posts: 706; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)

Your missing a big point here, apple removed one of the best mapping services available in replace of an awful one and gave u no real choice to get it back. That's why people complained, its not rocket science Michael

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:07 8

6. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 16299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)

No one is stopping google from making an app. Excuses are always made despite the obvious.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:08 2

9. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)

There are other options. Tim Cook said it himself, he's encouraging iOS users to try out other maps.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:09

10. Hafiz (Posts: 78; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)

Very well said

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:09 4

11. darkkjedii (Posts: 23450; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

They didn't replace it with an awful one, they replaced it with one that's new from the ground up and one that's incomplete. Saying its awful due to it being new, and incomplete is like saying a new born baby is awful. Like the baby apple maps is newborn and will grow, and mature. What they should've done however is leave google maps on for the rest of the contract, until apple maps was way more mature. That was their mistake. Now let them have time to fix it like google did.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:10 18

12. Hafiz (Posts: 78; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)

but he removed google maps which is still the best map app out there!!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:10 7

13. darkkjedii (Posts: 23450; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Exactly bro

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:11 7

15. Hafiz (Posts: 78; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)

If its incomplete then why did they remove google maps!!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:15 1

19. darkkjedii (Posts: 23450; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

I'm still asking myself y they removed google maps early? But I don't work at apple, so one thing I won't do is sit on my couch and make stupid comments about y they did what they did.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:17 28

20. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Apple ditch Google Maps because Google wouldn't make their maps on iOS as good as the ones on Android? I mean, if Google kept some functions like turn-by-turn navigation for itself it's only logical that Apple took a separate path...

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:20 5

23. darkkjedii (Posts: 23450; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Now that's the point of the day. And that's exactly what happened.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:20 9

24. sandysingh252 (Posts: 27; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

Don't worry Sir, Mr. Michael H. is just trying to defend his favorite fruit company again by searching for some excuses, I think I've never seen this person, wasting his time on writing about Android or Windows Phone. Clearly an iFan, consolidating himself by fantasizing of future updates, which may fix Apple Maps in 5 years maybe!!!!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:27 26

37. ahomad (Posts: 175; Member since: 15 May 2012)

the main issue is not with new mapping service and not with google, the problem is with apple and their marketing. when they released the new map and called it "the most powerful mapping service yet" the same goes with iOs where they call it the most advance mobile operating system. I have never heard such markiting scam from google. this way they attract non-tech people to buy there products which cost alot more and offer alot less.

this is the problem with the new mapping service by apple which has nothing to do with google.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:28 2

38. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)

Yeah I'm with you on that. Google maps is the best (I prefer nokia maps though).

But Apple did not remove google maps, they just don't want to use google's mapping info anymore. it's not apple's fault that there's no google maps for iOS6.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:30 3

40. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)

You should read more of Michael's articles. You don't know what you're saying man.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:36 7

43. darkkjedii (Posts: 23450; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Definitely not the smartest marking approach with an unproven product.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:54 10

47. MeoCao (unregistered)

That's not the point, no 1 accuses Apple for ditching Google maps, people are angry at Apple b-c they did it when their maps were far from ready, and this was not minor errors we are talking about.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 10:55 6

48. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

I agree. I also think the issue is that Apple is not supposed to ever look bad. Everything they make, create, innovate is supposed to be the best ever, perfect, flawless.

2 products by Apple or Apple had a hand in creating: The Pippen and Newton....huge failures when they launched. I think its just that Apple failures, mis steps get as much attention as their successes now a days. I didnt know about the marketing for the G1. But outside of the Galaxy S and Droid series...most Android phones and tablets dont get alot of ads, marketing.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:16 6

55. sniper1087 (Posts: 529; Member since: 31 Dec 2011)

That is incorrect google submitted the map app and it was never approved by apple.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:17 15

56. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Its not so much Google isnt making a map app for iOS. Apple wanted the iOS version to have all the features of the Android version.

Some may not like what Google did, but I see no problem with it. Is iTunes available for Android? Is any Apple service or app available for any other company? If it is...its few.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:19 1

57. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

I agree with this.

Main problem....the way Apple marketed it and it shoulda had a beta label on it. I mean they did that with Siri if I remember correctly. And Siri was a more complete product when Apple bought it from that company.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:24 5

59. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

If you take the time to actually read each n every writer's articles...Micheal is more open minded, unbiased than at least one other I wont name...lol.

They do a pretty good job here covering tech. I just cant see Micheal as an iFan. An iFan is one of the most irrational, closed mined ppl on the planet.

Judging by your comment....this must be your fist time here...or are fairly new here....lol. Micheal writes about more than Apple....and gets accused of being an Android lover...lol.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:39 1

62. Hemlocke (unregistered)

That is where you are wrong. The mapping system was always Apple's, but the data set was Google's. Google wouldn't provide the data needed for turn-by-turn and other standard features on Android Maps without stipulations that would greatly benefit Google, such as branding and advertising. The previous Maps experience was not very good, at all. There are bumps with the new Apple Maps, but the application is worlds better than the old one.

As for Google Maps, the gap between Apple and Google is closer than the gap between Google and Nokia, who is well out in front of Google when it comes to mapping data.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:57 4

66. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

"Excuses are always made despite the obvious."

Have tried to apply this rule for your self?

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:58 3

67. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

ho ho ho.......they dont wanna hear that man! tell it too em straight :)

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:00 2

68. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

Arguably for the USA, with its terrific search, but only if you have excellent network coverage and a decent/unlimited data plan. On a global basis no one comes close to Nokia Maps. Nokia's Navteq powers 80% of the car manufacturer's nav systems. It also provides mapping data for Garmin, Microsoft, Amazon, Yahoo and now Oracle. On top of this, Nokia Navigation suite for its devices offers free turn by turn nav in over 120 countries...PLUS it has the capability to navigate fully OFF line. The whole free package includes public transport in most major cities, plus City Lens 3D augmented reality, weather, and City Guides.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:07 1

69. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

The problem with a nice app is that it can't make up for crap data. Navigation is one of those things where crap data is eventually noticed...usually at the worst possible moment for the user. This is why Apple knows it has a big problem. It can certainly ask for patience...it has the consumer loyalty to do this. However, if you read the Atlantic article on Nokia Maps you will begin to appreciate the long road Apple has embarked upon. Sure, it has the cash to buy more nav companies. But the integration takes time. In many cases, the acquisitions will not be possible due to anti-trust. In essence, Apple has a lot of catching up to do in this strategic area. It has the money...but time in this case is not simply money.

Do I think Apple is right to part ways with Google. Yes, it's in its long term strategic interest. However, the timing is poor. Apple should've been quietly moving data in this area three years ago. Clearly this was a calculated risk taken by Jobs, and later Cook. I'm sure they have a good idea how far they can push the user base before there is a revolt.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:08

70. Hammerfest (Posts: 384; Member since: 12 May 2012)

No kidding!

Not to mention:
"Have you ever noticed that Google always gets the benefit of the doubt simply for trying something new, but if Apple tries something new, and doesn't come out with a perfect first attempt, it is deemed an utter failure?"

When has Google tried something new and gotten the benefit of the doubt when it came to an offering they provided, that they wanted to replace with their own?

This article reaks of Apple Care (TM).

Now if Android had been powered by Amazon or some other app store, and then they swapped it out for Android Market, YES you can bet your arse they would be deemed FAIL, however, this is not, and to my own experiance in the last 10 years, EVER been the case when it comes to Google.

If you can find a case where Google had an already in place solution bundled in, then swapped it out for their own, use that, instead of the random nonsense that your entire article turned out to be (I lost braincells reading it)

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:33 9

77. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Apple removed Google Maps themselves, so how is it not their fault. They were under contract with Google for another year when they removed it from iOS. this is 100% Apples fault.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:55 4

80. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)

Google (any one) can NOT create integrated map fo iOS due to iOS limits ;)
And iOS will be in 5 years (maybe sooner) where Google maps are now....great :-D

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