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Here is why Android is laggy and why it’s going to remain like that in the near future

0. phoneArena 07 Dec 2011, 03:38 posted on

Have you noticed that Android is laggy? It is. We hoped things would change with dual-core processors and when we got the LG Optimus 2X in our trembling hands, the first phone running…

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posted on 08 Dec 2011, 16:17

276. hepresearch (unregistered)

gemini likes to throw things at us and see if they stick...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 20:37

289. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@porkguy. Yes I have answered all of your questions. You're just not smart enough to comprehend :-)

The iphone is allowed to make calls because they can use that technology rightfully so. Unless you can tell me someone patented making calls. All phones make calls. That's a given. But not all phones have to be a full touchscreen phone like the iphone. See the difference? A matter of fact, no one cared for touchscreen phones that much before the iphone because they sucked :-)

Aphone is too close to iphone. So obviously that random company is also trying to ride on to the iphone's success to be noticed.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 00:30

309. hepresearch (unregistered)

What gemini is telling us is that he thinks that capacitive touchscreen technology should belong exclusively to Apple, and that no one else should make capacitive touchscreen phones.

If that was to become the case, I can guarantee that the iPhone would be in the hands of every living person who could afford to use it, because resistive touchscreens are quite hated by nearly all consumers and non-touchscreen phones are annoying to most people.

The capacitive touchscreen makes communication and navigation simple, easy, and comfortable... and as such, has become the cornerstone of consumer mobile communications devices in our time. In a world where only Apple could make a phone with a capacitive touchscreen, there would not be an Android, a WP7, webOS, a Symbian Belle, bada, or Meego, or BlackBerry OS 7, or anything. Feature phones might survive as non-touchscreen phones, but only for the 5% or so of the global market who absolutely could not afford an iPhone.

Gemini has answered enough of the questions we asked him to let us know where he stands... in his ideal world, there would be the iPhone... and nothing else worth buying for all the rest of us. He would have his iPhone, and gloat in pride over all of us who are either forced to join him or to use a cheap, plain feature phone. You will only be able to make phone calls because Apple allows you to have a phone...

I rest my case. Good night all!

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 12:14

230. hepresearch (unregistered)

Once again... attempting to put words in my mouth that I would never be dumb enough to utter.

I never once said that the LG Prada was the first touch screen phone. Never. And if you are referring to audible/haptic feedback when you talk about the Prada making no noise at all... well, Apple did not invent that, either. There have been plenty of phones with audible feedback or haptic feedback, or both, before the iPhone ever emerged.

So, Apple taking an unsuccessful product as its appearance foundation is not copying? I did not call it copying either... mimicry is a better term. But, for you, mimicry and copying are one and the same. Well, I did not say that the LG Prada was unsuccessful either. Compared to the iPhone, the Prada was not nearly as huge a hit, but compared to other products of its time, the Prada was not a dud, either.

You must think that it is not right to try to compete with the most successful player in the industry. There is a little concept that we call capitalism... the idea is that companies compete to produce better products based on what people want and are willing to pay for. Surely, if no one tried to mimic, or otherwise compete, with Apple, then Apple would break free of the capitalism model and overtake the world as a monopoly... which would lead to less choice, higher prices, less competition, slower innovation, and commoditization issues regarding its products. In a free market, competing manufacturers will make what people are asking for, and gradually improve it over time as new technology becomes available and less expensive. What you have spent all your energy to say to us here is that you do not think that anyone has a right to compete with Apple... no one should be making thin, black, thin bezel designed, large flat touchscreen smartphones (that do not look cluttered) unless they are Apple. Well, that happens to be what a lot of people specifically want. If Apple is the only designer/manufacturer allowed to make such devices, then the rest of the industry will perish and Apple will make most of the mobile devices that the rest of the world is able to afford. Apple will become the One World Mobile Conglomerate as anyone else who dares to make a popular design for a smartphone or tablet will be either bought out, patent-litigated into submission, or just plain sued out of existence. Doesn't that sound wonderful!

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 13:45

255. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

Then stop dragging prada into the picture. No one cared for it. It was not a top dog like the N95, Blackberries, and Treos. It was not a game changer. So stop it already.

It's not even about whether Apple invented something or not. It's about releasing a successful product. No one cares for an invention that does not sell. It has to successfully sell to be significant. Apple made touchscreen phones significant. NOT ANDROID. Android simply took advantage of Apple's success and presented itself as iphone's rival. Remember the term "iphone killer". Yes, android wants to be that. Apple did all the hard work of reinventing touchscreen and giving it a fresh and exciting appeal, and then android would just come in and kill it so they can take over. How convenient :-)

Apple welcomes competition. But come up with your own thing. Not copy theirs :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 13:57

258. hepresearch (unregistered)

I did not realize that Prada made you so upset... sorry. I am sure somebody cared for Prada, or else they would have sold absolutely none of them... a big goose-egg... zero! Besides, you are the one who seemed to bring it up in the first place... so as soon as your Prada argument lost its usefulness, you yell at me to 'stop it'? Hilarious...

Dude, there is no iPhone killer... Nokia tried to make the 5800 an iPhone killer, and although it was a nice phone it was certainly not an iPhone killer. So many others tried over the years and failed... so they all started doing what anyone would do; if you can't beat them, join them! Apple has created their own popularity and success problem. If you do or make something that is so wildly successful that it kicks everyone else's head to the curb, and cannot be replaced or out-innovated by any other product, then they will have to emulate you in order to survive.

Think about it. What you are really saying is that there should be no competition at all.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 14:13

264. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

HAHAHAHA, Prada does not upset me at all. It's when fandroids use it as their excuse that amuses me. I did not bring up prada. Your fellow fandroids did. Read the threads please.

Apple knows how successful they are. And you seem not to blame other OEM's by wanting to compete. But is it bad for Apple to protect their investments? For fandroids, it is, HAHAHAHAHA. But you said that you're not a fandroid. So why do you think it's bad for Apple to protect their investments? Are businesses not allowed to protect their investments? Wouldn't you protect your investments if you have a successful line?

There should be competition. Competition is good. But come up with your own reinventions to compete. Again, back in 2006, the N95 was the deal. Did Apple release another N95 in 2007 to compete with the N95? No. They released a full touchscreen iphone :-) So as you can see, it is very possible to compete without having to RIDE ON someone else's bright ideas :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 14:27

267. hepresearch (unregistered)

I do read, and you love to blame others whenever you can for things that you do not want to have to deal with the responsibility for...

As you have pointed out time and time again, gemini, there is no way for a non-touchscreen phone to effectively compete against THE touchscreen phone that makes touchscreens so popular that 90% of phones manufactured, and hence sold worldwide, these days are touchscreen phones. What you suggest is that no one but Apple may make a touchscreen phone. In fact, no one but Apple will be allowed to make quite a few types of futuristic concept phones because Apple already holds the patents.

If Android had emerged first, and tried to do this crap on all the others, I would probably be on Apple's side of this argument right now. However, luckily for you, gemini, Apple got there first. And now, Apple is crushing all who dare to so much as oppose or innovate independently. I would protect my investments, but if they were so crushing to the world that no one could do anything without my blessing and aid, then I would probably let the patents expire into the general industry... however, if I was power hungry and greedy, I imagine that I would definitely milk the world for all it is worth, continue to protect my 'right', and force everyone to bend to my will and pleasure, like what Apple seems to be ramping up for right now.

There is no sense in protecting your trade rights and secrets when there is no one left to resist you, and nothing else left to design or develop that could possibly compete. Apple is trying to take us to that world where no one resists or competes.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 20:49

291. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

I am only responsible for the things that concerns me. And that's my idevices :-)

I never said that non touchscreen phones are hopeless. Someone just needs to reinvent non-touchscreen phones to make it interesting and exciting again. No one told any of these OEM's that they need to switch to touchscreen. They all jumped into the touchscreen bandwagon and abandoned non-touchscreen phones. So talk to them, not me.

HTC was making touchscreen phones adjacent to Apple. No one is stopping them. But those phones have keyboards and styluses. Which should still be fine. Who told them to stop making those types of phones and mimic the iphone instead? Not Apple. It's because they're losing. That's why. And that's fine. Like I said I am for competition as well. My only thing is, android fanboys not acknowledging Apple as the one responsible for this trend. Instead, they make excuses like, oh it was prada, it was this, it was that, android started it, blah, blah, blah. That's what amuses me. It's the fandroids. Not android itself.

I may have said a thing or two about android, but it's not because I hate android, but to prove that android is an ios rip off :-) But that's just how it is. Rip offs have the right to compete and sell as well. But you got to accept that fact that it's a rip off.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 00:04

307. hepresearch (unregistered)

Once again, you are wrong. You say that no one told other OEM's that they had to go with touchscreens... but the truth is that consumers everywhere are telling them to do that. Ever heard of marketing studies and economic statistics? However, I am not holding you personally responsible for Apple or any other OEM's decisions... unlike the fact that you are trying to claim that I am personally responsible for the iPhone hatred here, when I am not by any means.

Why do you think HTC would be losing? Because they aren't making an iPhone... that's why.

I don't HAVE TO DO anything you tell me I HAVE TO DO. I do not go around believing things just because some guy on a forum told me it was so. If that was the case, I might end up believing things like that the brain cannot multitask, or that Einstein knows a lot of stuff about how brains work...


posted on 07 Dec 2011, 16:20 1

108. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)

iOS's scrolling experience is completly smooth. You can scroll the app tray to the left and its smooth. And when you get tired of going left, you can smoothly scroll right. Smooth scrolling.....that's what its all about in a OS. Scrolling is awesome. Forget multitasking, widgets for weather, live calendars, music playlists etc..etc... Smooth scrolling is where its at.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:50

143. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

Finally, you got it right :)

Scrolling, pinching, swiping, and other touch gestures, when done smoothly, contributes to a great user experience. It's those gestures that connects you to your device and executes an action. Who needs to see the weather every time you pick up your phone? But we definitely touch our phones everytime we use it :)

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 22:57

173. hepresearch (unregistered)

For some of us, that is what it is all about. I personally do find the exceptional smoothness of iOS to be compelling and elegant, and I like it, but I am not going to bash the Android folks for their preference for mobile freedom and hard-core processing. That is their thing, and they are entitled to it. I used to be a Symbian freak... modding and coding my own drivers and all sorts of lovely stuff that I do not do any more, so I understand their world, and I fondly remember being someone like them once upon a time. It was fun! But I do agree with chad and gemini here that iOS makes for a really nice fluid experience.

Everybody has a different definition of what is right for them...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 00:09

175. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

So the weather widget is everything for you? Lol.

Nothing wrong with preferring android over ios. What ur telling me also applies to fandroids. Although ios is still the more practical os :)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 00:37

179. hepresearch (unregistered)

Haha... I just agreed with you, and yet you still manage to try to argue with me over an item that I did not argue with you on... now who looks silly?

iOS is more practical if you are looking for simplicity and smoothness, but if you want raw computing power then you need something else. I personally do not care about raw computing power right now, but I personally know people to whom the raw power of Android-linked hardware is essential... they could not do what they want to do with an iPhone or an iPad, and iOS is not substantial enough to run the operations they are attempting regularly. So is iOS practical? For you, yes. For me, yes. For others I/we know? Sometimes, but not always.

To say a broad blanket-statement, like that iOS is the most practical OS for everyone, is an over-generalization and is just plain incorrect.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 02:03

183. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

Ios is more practical than android, period. From its multitasking approach, to its strong support to html5, to its decision on not opting for external memory, etc. Apple's decision has led to a better performing, more consistent, and stable device, while android's decision of supporting flash and accomodating external memory, has led to performance, stability, and security compromises. And now look at what android is doing. They've realized that Apple was right all along, and is slowly adopting what Apple has already embraced early on.

Oh please, what raw computing power are you talking about? Why? What do fandroids do with their smartphones that really makes android more powerful? My home security and lighting system can even be controlled by my iphone and ipad if I wanted to with control 4. So please. Unless there's really something of great importance that your android device can do, it's still nothing more than a smartphone.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 07:57

206. p0rkguy (Posts: 676; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)

You still don't understand raw computing power.
lol @ home security and lighting controlled by phone. Anything that is capable of sending and receiving a frequency can do that. That isn't power. Power relates to processing, something iOS has certain limits to.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 12:59

243. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@porkguy. So name me those raw processing powers that you are talking about. Higher specs? LOL.

What and how would those raw powerful specs matter to users when they read their emails and browse the web? Would it change the story of an article? Would it change the winner of a game? Would it change the traffic? Would it change the weather? Would it turn the stock market upside down? LOL.

I'm just curious. Because, you make it sound like android users do something with their android phones that are totally out of this world. LOL.

Let me tell you what we ios users mostly do with our idevices. Check and send emails, browse the web, get directions, calendar, tasks reminders, music, movies, calculator, sms, mms, blog, facebook, twitter, check the weather, games,and the like. All of those things, our idevices can do smoothly and capably. Now tell me, what "out of this world" things do you do with your android's raw powers that makes it sooooooo almighty? Live wallpapers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 13:12

245. hepresearch (unregistered)

So, gemini, when will your iPhone succeed at changing the weather, the traffic, or the stock market?

Sometimes people actually DO things that are a little out of this world... please refer to comment #213... I have personal experience.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 14:22

265. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@hepresearch. Oh please. The ones I've enumerated are the most common ones users use their smartphones for. Apple will not waste their time for your out of this world gimmicks. If you're smart enough to do out of this world tasks, then make your own phone :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 14:29

268. hepresearch (unregistered)

Well, thanks for saying I have to do it all myself. If it isn't valuable to you, then it isn't worth your precious Apple wasting time on it, eh?

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 19:58

283. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

Exactly hepresearch. You're learning. Slowly, but keep it up :)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 20:57

294. hepresearch (unregistered)

Haha... learning that you have a self-serving point of view about the world and people around you...

Try thinking outside of yourself sometime.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 16:20 1

277. p0rkguy (Posts: 676; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)

No, I don't make it sound like android users do something with their android phones that are totally out of this world. I make it sound like android users are capable of using their android phone to do something out of this world.
iOS doesn't need raw power, it never will need it. Why? It's already explained in this article.

Think of it like this. You're 7, and you have never crossed the streets alone. You're alone at the corner of the sidewalk and you have to cross the streets. What iOS is telling you to do is continue walking to each of the block until they decide to lend you a hand. What Android is telling you to do is do what you want, go cross 2 streets or something.
I mean you CAN always be like the other kid following iOS and start making those corners or you can cross that s**t yourself.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 20:04

284. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@porkguy. But you never answered my question. I have enumerated the most common things ios users do with their idevices. Now what are the common things that android users use their devices for? Is it way, way different from what we ios users use our idevices for?

Your analogy is very poor and does not make any sense. Ios cannot tell you what to do. it's a device for Pete's sake. But what android is telling you is this. What android is telling you, and you stupidly fell for it, is to take it because it has high specs and it has this and that, even when it compromises performance, stability, and security. Making you think that you have a top end device, when it's actually $hit :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:20

218. hepresearch (unregistered)

You list the same things over and over again like an organ-grinder cranking out the same circus-tune over and over again as the monkey cranks on the handle and take money from the passers-by... we are getting bored of hearing you drone on endlessly about how things that we find useful (like expandable memory, removable batteries, Flash support, and on and on...) are apparently of no use to you, and thus, according to you, of no real use to any of us. We all think we like these things... apparently, gemini knows that we just THINK we like them... we have told you so many times how they are useful to us, and what we like about them, and yet still you are hanging all over us like a storm cloud and telling us that what YOU like is all that should really matter to the world...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 14:27

266. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@hepsearch. I say the same things over and over again because fandroids say the same things over and over again. So I have to repeat myself until you guys get it :-)

Fandroids think they need them, but they don't. Nothing wrong with extras though. So comes the business decision. As a company who prioritizes quality. Is it smart to incorporate those extras and compromise performace, stability, and security. Or don't include those extras and provide a wonderful user experience? Apple's business decision worked for them obviously. And it's not a bug or a shortcoming. It's a deliberate decision. Just wanted to say that because fandroids somehow think that Apple is incapable of putting in flash support and external memory, on the iphone, HAHAHAHAHA.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 14:35

269. hepresearch (unregistered)

Get what? These illogical tales of absolute iDevice fanaticism and glory? Please... I am never going to be an Apple fanatic like you, and especially not because you tell me to.

I do not think that anyone said Apple was incapable of anything... once again, your words being put into the mouths of Fandroids who are not here to defend themselves...

Yes, Apple's decision worked spectacularly. But does that mean that Apple may now tell all the rest of us who want that something extra that we can not have it because they say so? Apparently it does.

Congratulations, gemini. Apparently you have coronated yourself as the divine mobile genius who tells all other peons what is best for them... lol!

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 16:22

278. p0rkguy (Posts: 676; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)

I've said this in older articles, iOS users that constantly go on and on about how great their device is don't have much knowledge on technology. Their knowledge on it didn't exist before iOS came out, but now that Apple has catered to them they feel they have to express how much knowledge they've acquired.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 20:13

285. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@hepresearch. Illogical? What happened to flash? It's dying on mobile devices. Who said again that it would never be ideal for touch optimized mobile devices? It's Apple. Who insisted that they needed flash on their touchscreen devices? Google and fandroids. LOL. So who's illogical? What's causing android apps to not work properly and to lag. Isn't it those from external cards? There are other issues caused by external cards, and that's why Apple opted for internal memory. And what's android devices doing now? They're slowly getting rid of external memory ports. Who's illogical again? LOL.

What? Fandroids aren't here? You guys have been ganging up on ios users in here quite a while now. You mean you have not heard of remix? LOL. The Queen Troll.

Apple is not telling anyone what you can and cannot have. You have a choice. And it's obviously android. But what's mind boggling, are fandroids saying that ios is incapable because they did not include flash, or external memory, or a removable battery. Who are fandroids to tell Apple what to do with their idevices and to tell us what we need? But of course you think that's absolutely fine for fandroids to tell us what we need right? Because you're on their side. HYPOCRITE :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 21:19

297. hepresearch (unregistered)

Yes, fanaticism IS illogical! I like being able to switch microSD cards from one device to another... interchangeable memory is really convenient in my chosen line of study and work. Why do you want me to think that it is so bad to use a microSD card? As for HTML5 or Flash, I could care less. At this point there is no sense in arguing over it... HTML5 is the clear winner as Flash is slated to disappear according to Adobe. My lack of fanaticism is what you are calling "illogical"? Just because the iPhone 3GS happens to be on my list for possible future desired phones, you think that I'm a prime candidate for complete iPhone fanboy-ism? Forget it.

You're just offended that these folks come along, look at that iPhone which you love so much, and fail to find exactly what they are specifically looking for... and then move on to Android, WP7, or something else. You ask yourself, "Why can't all these people be just like me? I'm so awesome, and if I think the iPhone is the end-all-be-all, then I'm going to MAKE them all agree with me!" Well, it doesn't work that way. People cannot be forced. Some people, like me, will rebel just for the sake of being different... of all the dumb reasons someone can have for rebelling. And yet, that is my primary reason. I do not want to be a mindless zombie like all the other people I see around me... and really I don't want it to get to that point in the first place because it would make me very uncomfortable.

I hear you telling me that I have a choice. But do I really anymore? You say that I do, but the more I look around, the more I realize where things are headed. I have not chosen Android either, if you haven't bothered to notice by now. I have not told you anything that Apple can or cannot do that actually matters to you. I have not been telling you what Apple does or does not need to do, so quit trying to paste that garbage on me... I won't let it stick. I do not tell you or Apple what to do, but you sure seem to think you have every right to come in here and push other non-Apple folks around, and tell us what is right and what is wrong in your book. Apple is pushing the remaining choices out of the market, one by one, and not by direct competition... but by litigation and sales bans. Follow this to its logical conclusion, my friend.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 18:34

119. blackrose (Posts: 48; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

You know what I did I hit the source link then read the post and comments from people who actually knew what they were talking about other than proclaiming one os is better. With a article like this I just hit the source link.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:32

162. protozeloz (Posts: 5325; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

There is also a war going in there as other devs and programers are debating how accurate this intern is about his argument some say he speaks half the truth check and judge for yoursef

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:49

164. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

But you see the fact is, android is indeed laggy. Even the dual core ones (except those special edition ones that fandroids got). So what he said about how android's ui is designed and why it's ALWAYS going to be laggy, makes more sense :)

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 22:03

166. hepresearch (unregistered)

So what if it is? What if, for some, that is a small price to pay for mobile freedom? And, by the way, you just got done thrashing Fandroids for blindly believing this Senior Programmer at Google... oh, yeah, and you specifically thrashed Sniggs earlier for arguing with this Senior Programmer at Google... so, which one is it gonna be? Are Fandroids dumb for believing the guy, or are they dumb for not believing him? I know you are trying to live in your iWorld where you indeed can somehow have your cake and eat it too, but we are all in reality right now, so you can only pick one. Sorry.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 00:02

174. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@hepresearch. So what? If what he's saying is true, it does not matter where the heck he came from. Are you denying his claim then as to how android's ui foundation was designed and that android was meant to compete with blackberry? :)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 00:45

180. hepresearch (unregistered)

I am denying nothing at this time. What are you doing? On one hand you deny his statements, and then on the other you embrace them... and in both cases you are trying to slice up some Android fans with it. So what if Android was first designed with competing against BlackBerry in mind? What does that knowledge change for you? Is that like some revelation to you? All I am asking you is which way are you gonna take this... are you gonna side with the Senior Programmer, or are you going to protest his statement? As far as I can tell, you have picked both sides at the same time, and you are trying to cut both ways with this one, and that is something we call 'inconsistency'.

So what if they started as a BlackBerry competitor during development? That actually would make a lot of sense... so, assuming that to be true, what is your point?

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 01:49

182. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

I am not denying his statements about how android was built at all. Everything he said does make sense as to why android lags even with sufficient hardware. The fact that android was initially designed to compete with blackberry os, ends all questions that android changed gears and copied ios when they saw the iphone's success. Something that fandroids insist not to be true even when everything points that android is an ios copycat.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 02:49

191. Sniggly (Posts: 6474; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Again, other than the general form factor, what did Android copy from iOS? iOS was the equivalent of taking the app drawer from Blackberry or the start menu from Windows, slapping it on a screen that was broken up horizontally, and saying "there, done. We have an operating system."

Android still kept the app drawer from Blackberry, threw in a highly customizable desktop like Windows, and arranged icons at the bottom somewhat like BREW. The ONLY thing that they took a cue from Apple from was the touchscreen dominant form factor, and even THEN it was about a year before pure touchscreen devices running Android came out after its launch.

You don't get it, Gemini. You think that Apple is the only company capable of unique ideas and attack Android for "copying" Apple when in reality Apple has very few truly unique concepts in its products, something which Jobs proudly stated back in the late 90s.

So yeah, go ahead and keep repeating the bulls**t, along with other classic lines like "Android fanboys are all former Symbian lovers who jumped on the Android bandwagon just because it competes with iOS." Go ahead and believe your bulls**t. You'll just keep on looking like a complete and epic asshole.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 12:36

233. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@sniggly. What did android copy from ios? Virtually everything :-)

What was the top dog smartphone pre 2007? The N95. Then there are the Treos and the Blackberries. Was there any full touchscreen smartphone in the mix? NONE. How was touchscreen phones doing at that time? Pretty much insignificant.

Where was android at that point? Nowhere. What was android being developed for at that point? To compete with Blackberry OS which was the rising star of the smartphone world at that time. What happened in 2007? The iphone came out. What happened to the smartphone OEM's afterwards. Scrambled to compete with the iphone. What did Symbian do? Attempted to compete to no avail with their resistive touchscreen phones. What did android do? Revamped their blackberry-like os to be full touchscreen optimized LIKE IOS utilizing capacitive touch technology that symbian fanboys hated, but now love, lol. What happened in 2008? Android came out. It's very obvious sniggly. Android copied ios. The iphone had no competition in 2007. Android took the opportunity since symbian could never be touch optimized :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 13:19

247. hepresearch (unregistered)

So, to compete with iOS means to copy iOS... and we all know that copying is illegal, so that means that Steve Jobs is Sniggly's daddy and you want to hear it from Sniggs himself, and all the rest of us, as we admit defeat? Aw... gemini, gemini, gemini... you are not our daddy, gemini, and neither is Steve Jobs.

Mimicry is not the same as copying. Nature would have made the mocking bird extinct eons ago if that was the case...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:23

219. hepresearch (unregistered)

Once again, gemini has decided that Android MUST have copied iOS entirely, as one year is not a sufficient amount of time in which to retool a UI... next, gemini will entertain us all with the same argument applied to ancient Egyptian pyramids... they must have been built by aliens!

LOL =8-P

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 12:08

228. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@hepresearch. Don't play naive. Android was meant to compete with blackberry os. But when the iphone came out. They rushed and reworked android's ui to be touch optimized instead. Steve called Schmidt a traitor. What do those things tell you? Those string of events that lead to a touched optimized android clearly shows that android copied ios :)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 12:31

232. hepresearch (unregistered)

Mimic may be a better term... and if they did not do that, where would we be today? Android and BlackBerry would be competing with each other over the bottom 10% of smartphone users who now have BlackBerries currently. Apple would be on 80% of smartphones across the US... Symbian would never have developed past S60 3rd Edition, and would have continued to compete in the same crowded 10% as BlackBerry and Android.

What about webOS or WP7? Did they copy from Apple? WP7 is based on Windows CE, which is based on earlier NT and the like, which through the software generations is based on the original Windows kernel, which was STOLEN from Steve Jobs and Apple's MacIntosh. So why are you upset with Android and not WP7? I will tell you why... because you are not afraid of either one... they are not successful enough to get anywhere close to touching iOS in popularity. As for webOS... if you can trace its roots back to Palm, then you can trace the style of that OS back to the Newton... a FAILED Apple product! Wow, so if this is true, then everyone has COPIED Apple! So tell me now, gemini, according to your definition, is any mobile OS other than iOS worthy to live?

You are taking a fanatical posiiton which essentially, when exercised without any bias or favoritism, requires that MacOSX and iOS are the only legitimate, commercially available, common operating systems and user interfaces that could possibly be allowed to exist in our world. However, you, gemini, are probably magnanimously willing to play favorites and spare a few of the lesser-threatening OS's... which you could snobbishly turn your nose up at and look down upon the weak peons that have to stoop to using them... and exude your bias as you graciously pick winners and losers among the 20% who make the less popular cheap stuff.

Aww... does this sound so unfair? Well... surprise! This IS the game that Apple is CURRENTLY playing!

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 12:43

235. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@hepresearch. Am I upset with Android? Nope. But I am amused by fandroids :-) They deny and deny and deny and deny, the very obvious existence of android as an ios rip off. That's all.

They won't accept the fact that their android devices wouldn't be the way it is now if not for ios. Clearly, android was meant to have a hard keyboard and a trackball :-) Who changed their minds? Prada? LOL. I don't think so :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 13:03

244. hepresearch (unregistered)

Once again, mimic is the word I prefer. It seems like everything must mimic iOS these days if it is going to be sold to the masses who cry out for touchscreen smartphones...

You love to dance around the questions that we ask you... you avoid answering our intelligent and appropriate questions, and instead tell us that we are 'angry' with you and that we are so stupid for being angry... and then you tell us that you are not 'angry' with us, when you clearly are angry that we would not cow-tow to your 'privileged' point of view... I mean, my goodness gemini, are we really such little insignificant children compared to your immense and knowledge-filled 1-bit non-multitasking brain?

Well, even if Android WAS a cheap ripoff of iOS, which is highly improbable since Android is built on a Linux-based kernel and iOS is based on a Unix-like kernel, then I STILL would not bow down to 'his worship', Steve Jobs. Or to you, gemini.

Regardless of whatever facts you want to believe, and which logical people cannot debate with you because you do not allow free-thinking debate in your presence, I will be free. And that is a fact.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 19:53

281. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

Mimic or whatever. It's still copying. Well, copying is not really that bad. It's when you ride on to someone's hard work which is really bad. And everyone's been riding on to Apple's success. From the ipod, to the iphone, to the ipad :-)

I've been direct to the point. You and your fellow fandroids on the other hand love to make excuses for your beloved copycat, android :-) And stop daydreaming that your brain can multitask. It can't. Only a person with lack of education in neurology would say that their brain can actually multitask. It's all over the internet. Your brain can't multitask :-) But then knowing how stubborn you guys are. It wouldn't matter if Einstein would agree with me. You guys would insist on your stupidities :-)

Well yes, your android is a complete ios rip off. Android has no balls to create anything game changing. So it has to wait for Apple's next move all the time. No iphone, no android phones. No ipad, no android tablets :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 20:55

293. hepresearch (unregistered)

Sounds just like the handling of trade secrets in a pre-1300's feudal society...

I really do not know where you came up with this whole 'brains can't multitask' argument... you must go to junk websites and blogs to find that garbage. When and where did you study neurology, anyway, if I may ask? Thank goodness Einstein was not a neurologist, because I am certain he would not agree with you... I have spent much of my adult life studying the foundational works and concepts of Einstein's genius, and he never stooped to just accepting whatever the reigning concept of the day was based on clout (as in the case of the infamous 'ether' problem... a.k.a. the Michelson-Morley experiment and such). It seems to me that you spend your time finding pieces of information, whether they are correct, half-true, or incorrect, and then cling to the ones you like with loyal fanaticism just because you have taken it on faith that your chosen sources are infallibly reliable.

If there was no iPhone, then Android would have started out as a BlackBerry competitor, and eventually it could have ended up on a similar path as it is today without any iPhone to inspire it... you seem to think that in the absence of the iPhone, touchscreen smartphones would never have developed to become popular. I agree that it may have taken longer, but it would still have happened eventually. I am tired of hearing people like you, taco, gallito, iKing, and Miz, who insist that only Apple is intelligent enough to either invent or innovate... no one on this Earth is so stupid as to be incapable of some sort of reasoning and inventiveness. I have never met a truly stupid person in my entire life... I have met some people who choose to do, say, or believe stupid things, but that never made any of them stupid people. That includes you... I do not believe that you are stupid, either, but I do think that you have chosen to take the easy route by not fully questioning and researching your sources for verification and validity.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 21:13

296. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

It does not matter where I studied Neurology. Where I studied would not change the fact that no brain can multitask. It can try, but it will fail. The brain is just not designed to do multiple things at the same time. You didn't know that? A lot of studies have shown that. Go research it. Einstein was a physicist, but I'm sure he knows a thing or two about how our brain works. Yes, I do spend time finding pieces of info. Don't we all? Unless of course you can tell me that you're some rocket scientist who's able to explain things on your own without the aid of books and other resources. Are you?

If there was no iphone, you can only SPECULATE as to what the smartphones would be like today. But the FACT is, there is an iphone. And it was Apple who released it. But knowing you, you'd rather defend your speculation than accepting the fact. That's what I noticed about fandroids.

Hate it if you like, but it was APPLE who evolutionized touchscreen phones. Not android, though you want it to be android, right? It's not about who is intelligent enough to come up with the iphone. Like you said, if not Apple, it would be someone else. Intelligence is not enough. It's about who dared to think differently and make that step. Who made it happen? Intelligence without action is futile. I am not a blind fan, although fandroids like to believe that we ios users are. We know what we want just like you know what you want. But, the fact remains that our supported device started this all. Not android :-)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 22:08 1

302. hepresearch (unregistered)

I do not think you have studied neurology from any accredited facility at all. It is considered common knowledge that brain tissues can multitask, and when you put together all of the brain tissues you will find that they multitask across brain tissues as well. In fact, if your brain ever stopped multitasking you would be in a whole lot of trouble... after all, seizures (attacks of epilepsy) are partly the result of a set of brain tissues systematically failing to multitask for short periods of time.

First of all, Einstein was a theoretical physicist, to be more specific. Physicists typically did not study neurology, and still do not to this day. Einstein died in the 1950's, long before they even stopped doing lobotomies. No one knew a whole lot of anything about the brain, back then, compared to what we know today.

I do not need to tell you anything about what I study or do with my time.

Sure, you definitely know what you want. You may say that you respect that those of us who do not use iPhones have our own set of wants, but the fact is that you have spent your entire strength in this discussion trying to convince everyone else here that we do not even know what we ourselves want, and that you have a better idea of what we should REALLY want. That is why people here are getting all upset at you and tired of your comments. We do not like it when anyone tries to tell us that we do not really know what we want for ourselves, and that presumably they do know what we should want. It is such a snobbish and irritating point-of-view... and it really grates on people's nerves.

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 08:48

310. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


The brain can handle 2 NEW and similar tasks quite well. It can handle even more of its a common task like taking n walking. Really all it took was a simple Google search to find that. You should try that before spouting off next time.. lol

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 13:26

252. protozeloz (Posts: 5325; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Andoid is an iOS evolution thats it :P

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 19:55

282. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

That's what you'd like to think of android proto. But it's a make believe :-)

posted on 09 Dec 2011, 00:05

308. hepresearch (unregistered)


posted on 08 Dec 2011, 00:17 1

176. Forsaken77 (Posts: 542; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)

I would think that any UI related code should get the highest priority. This seems almost like common sense to me. UI IS the priority with smartphones. I realize it was pre-touchscreen, but still....

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 02:59

193. NeoTechni (Posts: 1; Member since: 08 Dec 2011)

"Have you noticed that Android is laggy?"


posted on 08 Dec 2011, 07:19 1

204. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

you guys just spent all night feeding that stupid troll that gives the rest of us gemini's a bad name. he is going to keep on coming back and saying stupid things as long as he can continue to get a rise out of u. He obviously wants Taco's crown of trollking since taco has been removed.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:13 1

216. Sniggly (Posts: 6474; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Taco is still listed as an active user. Where was it ever announced that he was banned?

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:47

223. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

he was banned last week after he decided to go nutty and spend an entire day doing nothing but personal attacks. then he came back with nearly a half dozen new accounts like geedup, parody accounts of other members, and other things... each one getting banned in turn. Either he is on here in another name not acting like a tard, or he gave up.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 19:46

280. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@remix. No one is dumber than you remix :-) You can't accept the fact that I am smarter than you are. Heck, anyone is smarter than your bird brain :-)

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