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Here is why Android is laggy and why it’s going to remain like that in the near future

0. phoneArena 07 Dec 2011, 03:38 posted on

Have you noticed that Android is laggy? It is. We hoped things would change with dual-core processors and when we got the LG Optimus 2X in our trembling hands, the first phone running…

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posted on 08 Dec 2011, 07:15

201. remixfa (Posts: 13942; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ilia,

try to run skyrim at ultra resolution on that PC.

you cant.

More power is always a good thing :). Just because we dont always see a need for it at the time, doesnt mean there wont always be a lack of a need. First you must create the tools to create the artwork. Michelangelo couldnt have painted the Sistine chapel without his brushes.. what if someone thought we didnt need brushes because our fingers worked well enough. they created the tools long before he created the chapel.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 14:02

92. p0rkguy (Posts: 684; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


You're taking PC for granted. Your PC is a lot more powerful than you think it is. You're only saying its better due to optimizations being made for ARM chips.
Do you honestly think your phone is capable of running the same version of something on PC? Mobiles are only comparable to maybe something like Pentium 2/3.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 15:49

105. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Wow illa. And why didn't google just turn that priority switch if it's something as easy as that? :)

There's more to it than that. It may seem simple to you like switching a light switch, but they actually have to rebuild that whole ui ground up to make that happen. Didn't you read the whole article, or are you reading selectively again :)

And look at all the other fandroids agree to him without even thinking, like he's a senior programmer at google who wrote the ui for android, lol.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:55

165. hepresearch (unregistered)


Well, thats funny... I just read (oooh... what a concept... actually READING...) your comment to Sniggly where you chided him for arguing against the case laid out by a SENIOR PROGRAMMER AT GOOGLE! Well, WOW, so in that post you tell Sniggly he has no grounds to ARGUE against, and is dumber than, the Senior Programmer, and then in this post you contradict the Senior Programmer and call the Fandroids dumb and thoughtless for AGREEING with him! Well, I guess you are living in the iWorld where you can have your cake and eat it too! Fandroid agrees with Senior Programmer = dumb and thoughtless. Fandroid argues against Senior Programmer = dumb and thoughtless. HA! I am thinking of a word... it starts with an 'h' and ends with a 'y'... 9 letters... I'll give you three guesses...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 12:55 1

238. TalkingTechy (Posts: 97; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Is the word "hairspray?" I bet it's "hairspray."

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 07:20 2

47. maxican16 (Posts: 363; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Love how Victor H takes a FORMERLY employed INTERN'S article as gospel. The guy works for Microsoft now. Nope, don't see any conflict of interest there... Wow.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 07:31

48. anirudhshirsat97 (Posts: 398; Member since: 24 May 2011)


I have experienced somekind of a lag on every android phone and tablet I have used except for the Sgs2... Speaks volumes of Samsung ability to make a Good Phone.
Oh ya.. No lag on the galaxy note as well..

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 07:59

51. snowgator (Posts: 3245; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Lag is not a problem. Yes I noticed it on the vast majority of Androids I have tried, but really I think the word "lag" has been overused. Hesitation is a better word. As any top end Android tries to move from one priority to another, there is that nano-second where it will collect it's thoughts. Does this truly mean lag? When I think of lag, I think of points where the programs seem to almost stop, dragging the UI experiences down to a near halt. Yes, this definition of lag does happen on Android more than any other OS (except Blackberry), so DON"T BUY THAT ANDROID!! On Verizon the top Motorolas do not lag. The Galaxy S2 series (I have never used the T-Mobile version) does not lag. I have noticed lag on a few Android HTC's, but if you love Sense that may be the trade off. Hesitation is not going to slow down your day. You just can't expect to walk in a store and have all Android experiences be the same. There is just too much difference in hardware and UI designs.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 14:16

94. p0rkguy (Posts: 684; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


As much as I'd like to agree with you, you just defined "lag" with your definition of hesitation. The real definition for lag is for latency but after 15 years of using that term for something thats slow/choppy, it kind of applies to all. People won't say iOS lags because their UI is nearly perfect in running one process at a time. All computers lag, it's just a matter of noticing it or not.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 15:39

102. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Another excuse from an android fanboy, hahahaha. Let me point out more excuses :)

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 22:31 1

170. hepresearch (unregistered)


Aha! Here we have found the elusive wild gemini in their natural habitat... they have just seen a rational argument, and now the fight-or-flight response kicks in! This one decides to run away quickly, but still manages to leave a dung pile in the path of the rationality...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 07:14

200. p0rkguy (Posts: 684; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


When you reach to a higher intellectual level on technology and get off that piece of s**t iPhone, start speaking. Steve Jobs captured the hearts of those who don't know a thing about technology. There's a reason why you didn't (probably still don't) know anything about technology before your beloved iPhone came out. Ignorance would be your excuse.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 08:00

52. droiddomination (Posts: 203; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


my atrix is lagless as well. i guess this fanboy is still beating a dead horse with his 2007 anitquated iturd. anyways, more proof that android is dominating the smart phone field. the more someone attacks you, the more they are afraid of you or your product! WORD!

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 08:01

53. networkdood (Posts: 6276; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


On the RAZR, I have not noticed lag in game playing, but, I suppose once in a while it takes a couple of more seconds to start a app. Most of the time, that is attributed to how it was coded.
iOS has some lag also, but, again it is hardly noticeable on the 3GS and 4, and it seems to be non-existent on the 4S. What is considered lag?

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 15:41

103. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


And yet another excuse from another android fanboy, hahahahaha. This is so much fun. You guys are very creative :)

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 22:37 3

171. hepresearch (unregistered)


What is this? A statement of experience admitting to the lag, and acknowledging that iOS also has a little lag, but not near as much as Android? Daaahhh! It can't be true! What is considered lag? I don't care, he said iOS actually DOES have lag! Sacrilege!

Am I convincing enough for you, gemini?

All hail iOS, the Chosen One World OS Solution!

How about now? Was my satirical tirade creative enough for you, gemini?

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 12:58

241. TalkingTechy (Posts: 97; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Lol, hepresearch!!

I have to search deep in these comments to find your gems, but it's well worth the hunt!

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 23:34

305. networkdood (Posts: 6276; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Wow, Gemini is going rabid on us. I actually have experience from both OSes - my experience comes from the wife's experience for Apple and the other OSes - win6.5 and Android - are mine.
She tells me the worst thing about the phone is Siri, and is not a big deal, and the worst app on the phone is Facebook, which is a facebook issue.
My RAZR, at 1c, is every bit as good as her phone, and really has no lag. Apps are created by developers and are not always perfect, on either OS.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 08:45

67. bloodline (Posts: 693; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


I can honestly tell you now there is no lag on my galaxy nexus, everything performs effortlessly.

I have noticed some scrolling lag when I used a live wall paper tho. other than that the galaxy nexus works perfectly and ICS is brilliant

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 09:53

74. bluechrism (Posts: 99; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


No mention of Windows Phone 7 - for mmy money the smoothest UI experience out there and i've never seen it lag, even on the HTC HD2 hardware.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 10:05

75. ananthonline (Posts: 5; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


At the author of the article. A great many operating systems render their UI on the main thread and are still "buttery-smooth". This is because the applications use a background thread to do all their processor/IO intensive tasks.

This is, indeed the philosophy that Microsoft has chosen with WP7, along with some very nifty language enhancements to C# (await) that make this very easy to do for the developers.

It would not be impossible or even hard for Android to enforce such rules and release toolkits that make it easy for people to do this, so the "flat" statement you make that Android will remain laggy is quite unjustified.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 10:09 4

76. hepresearch (unregistered)


Android: Function is optimized, appearance is not. Occasionally, you try to do too much at once, and the functions overload the OS; you get a forced close.

iOS: Appearance is optimized, function is... well... haha... ha! The phone will (almost) never experience a forced close because it is not capable of handling enough functions to cause such a situation... not because it has endless ability to handle functions, but because it is intentionally crippled to not take on more functions than it is known to be able to handle easily.

Yes, the Androids do tend to lag... yes, the iPhones are smooth and stable in comparison. However, the iPhone will never have to endure as much work as an Android may be subjected to by its user and installed running background programs. If you are intelligent and enterprising, and want a real workhorse, Android is the way to go. If you want something that is simple, smooth, and thought/worry-free, go with an iPhone. As for WP7, I am not sure yet... it seems to behave more like iOS, but with some extra out-of-the-box capability that iOS does not have. I am not sure how WP7 will truly turn out to be, yet.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 10:42 1

81. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Thumbs up!

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 14:37

99. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Ummmm, how many functions do you need to run in the background if I may ask? Just curious.

Like right now for instance. I am using my ipad to post this comment. What and how many functions do I need to run in the background so that it would be a capable device? Btw, music is also playing on my ipad while I'm typing this comment. And there's no lag.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 17:38

115. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Well I just stoped to check on coments and rest from writing my letter when I get back to it its gonna be there. But im also uploading pics to fb they show the progress in my notification bar so i see when its ready. Oh wait I just got a call and came back without having to wait for the browser to load. Oh look there is a new update for G+ its already downloading on my phone. And my notification tells me my new photos arealready uploaded to my google account. And the best the only thing i had to tell my phone to do was upload a pic to facebook

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 19:52 1

125. hepresearch (unregistered)


... all sorts of automatic stuff, just like I said. You only had to manually start one process in that whole list.

The only thing the iPhone does automatically is track your location info at all times, and store it on Apple servers for other people to find later. Even BlackBerry can do that! The Android does that too, and much more automagical stuff!

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:07

130. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@proto. All of that the iphone does with less battery consumption. I could be in the middle of writing this comment, switch to another app, and when I go back to the browser, it takes me back where I left off. What? You need a progress bar to upload a photo on FB? With my iphone, it's instantaneous when you upload a pic, but yes, there's also a progress bar. I can also be web browsing and get a call and my iphone will take me back exactly where I left off when the call came in. No reloading, so u are wrong in implying that the iphone needs to reload the page. You obviously have not used an iphone if you are saying that the iphone does not notify users if a new message came in on FB. What? You need to wait for notification when you post a photo on FB? Is android that slow? Hahahaha. With the iphone, you touch upload pic, and the pictures load instantly :)

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:18 3

132. hepresearch (unregistered)


Battery consumption is less on the iPhone because the processor is... GASP... under-clocked! And as for the so-called instantaneous pic uploads to Facebook... you must be uploading VGA pics, or just one 8-Megapixel pic at a time!

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:59

150. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@hepsearch. Nope. We download multiple pics a lot of times. Which phone uploads most pics on flicker again? It's the iphone. That wouldn't be the case if uploading pics using the iphone is such a bad experience now, would it?

Battery consumption on the iphone is very good because it manages power more efficiently. But of course fandroids come up with excuses just to contradict anything good about the idevices :)

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:10 1

155. hepresearch (unregistered)


When did I say uploading pics on an iDevice is a bad experience? All I tried to say is that all this "instantaneous" crap is... well... crap. The iPhone and Android phones mostly share the same air interfaces... I am sure that the iPhone is not significantly faster, or significantly slower, than a similar spec'd Android in uploading pictures of similar size and in similar quantities on to any public online repository. The air interface on both is the same speed and shares similar bandwidth if they are similarly spec'd and on the same carrier. It is not, and never has been, instantaneous for anyone... until we are all running on LTE-Advanced, but by then pictures will be bigger files (thanks to larger CMOS sensors, etc...), so it will probably still take close to however long it takes now anyway... j/k

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:14

157. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Flicker was not on the android market until recent
#fail

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:14 2

158. hepresearch (unregistered)


BTW, I did not say battery efficiency is a bad thing. I just do not think it matters a whole lot to people who realize that the less power-efficient phones typically come with larger batteries to compensate...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 23:36

306. networkdood (Posts: 6276; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Uploading to facebook faster has more to do with your network connection. Wife can do it faster on the 4S over wifi than Verizon 3G.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:02 2

152. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Oh no gemini says you can upload multiple pictures and they upload faster becaue its an iphone and despite having the lowest data speeds it can defy physics and upload instanly on multiple places at the same time. She misses the point of the argument at all.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 02:42

189. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@proto. Are you suffering from stml? You told me earlier that the reason why the iphone uploads photos fast is because we're probably loading a single photo. And so I replied to you, chipmunk brain (chipmunks have very short memory), that no, we're uploading multiple photos, and it does not take forever to upload that we would need our iphones to notify us that upload has been completed when we switch to another app like you said you do with your android device :)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 06:39 1

196. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Now I get the chipmunk brain? Ha! Also is it so bad that I get to see when my pic was uploaded? I can click and jump diectly into my picture from my notification bar, it just works ;) Im just saying I dimply can do a lot of tasks and get live feeds of whatever Im doing in the background without even having to swich to the app at all. But you will read this backwards again and call me more names. :)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:34

221. hepresearch (unregistered)


hahaha... gemini just called somebody chipmunk brain? That is especially hilarious coming from the guy who claims to have a 1-bit brain incapable of multitasking on any level... LOL!

=8-P

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:49 2

224. remixfa (Posts: 13942; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


thats funny, because my android phone auto uploads every photo i take without me having to do anything within seconds of taking it. the miracles of multitasking and cloud sync will never cease!

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:53

226. hepresearch (unregistered)


you should take a picture of this thread... you know, for old time's sake... it will sync into the cloud seamlessly, while you are otherwise multitasking, as a reminder for all time and memorial of our entertaining posts today with gemini...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:50

225. hepresearch (unregistered)


You are failing at keeping track of who said what... and, whether intentionally or not, you are also conveniently trying to put extra words in our mouths... how do you keep track of it all for yourself? How do you prevent yourself from contradicting yourself? Do you use a database? No, too complicated for someone who cannot multitask... do you use a spreadsheet? Wait, I've got it! You don't care... you just let the contradictions happen and roll with it! And try to convince us that WE are the ones who contradict ourselves... hilarious!

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:56

147. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I have already used iphones as far as iOS4 goes. Nice try tho. Not gonna put effort on replying whats not worth it

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:01

151. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@proto. So why are you saying that the iphone needs to reload a page eveytime you switch to another app? It does not reload the page.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:05

153. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


If you are holding multiple task the browser will reload. Tired of seeing it on 3GS 3G and iphone 4

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 02:44

190. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@proto. Liar. I browse the web all the time with my iphone, stop and do something else, and when I get back to my web browser, it's exactly where I left off.

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 10:20

210. hepresearch (unregistered)


... this previous comment brought to you by gemini, whose brain is supposedly constrained to a 1-bit connection with everything else in the rest of his body... I hope the processor is a fast one... LOL!

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:37 2

222. hepresearch (unregistered)


gemini, apparently you have never launched a sufficient number of tasks to observe the behavior. My brother demonstrated it for me on his 3GS back when he had both that and his MyTouch 3G... I witnessed it for myself. You just falsely called proto a liar because of your own failure to actually test the capability limits of your precious iPhone.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 19:32 1

122. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


Clearly your simpleton brain can only handle one thing at a time.

I'm sorry.

We aren't all as dumb as you. Get over it.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:11

131. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


No iamcc. Clearly I am clinically educated as to how the human brain works and you are not. Neurology 101 baby. The brain cannot multitask. You think that it can, but it can't. But of course fandroids are from a different planet, so I can't speak for your anatomy :)

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:22

134. hepresearch (unregistered)


Haha... remind me not to take this Neurology 101 that you took. If your brain did not multitask, how in the world would your heart beat, your lungs breath in, your stomach digest your most recent meal, and somehow still allow you to type your posted response? You do make me laugh once in a while... LOL!

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:06

154. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@hepsearch. The brain, your intestines, your pancreas, your lungs, your heart, etc are different organs. My goodness. The brain does not digest your food, lol.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:12

156. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Brain controls hundreds of task at the same time. You just arent aware of if. The does nervous system ring any bells?

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 02:53

192. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


The brain does control tasks, but it does not mean it executes the tasks all at the same time. The brain is able to jump from one task to another that it may seem like it's multi-tasking, but it is not. It's merely jumping or switching between tasks quickly. The brain does send commands, but it does not necessarily mean that it performs the task. True multitasking means, one entity performing multiple tasks simultaneously. Google it :)

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 06:47

197. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


You can cook and talk on the phone at the same time or walk while getting dressed. :p thats multi task

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 10:24

211. hepresearch (unregistered)


WOW! Frightening level of ignorance... scary, or hilarious? More on the scary side, me thinks...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 11:14

217. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


for her to understand human multi task he must also understand computer multi task Humans can multi task just around a similar way your computer does, the only difference is that instead of brain your computer uses calculations.

but she is an ignorant trying to be right, no worth the time

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 21:19

160. hepresearch (unregistered)


Hehe... he... HAHA! Who all just read that... and understood the context? I totally just LOLed and had to wipe half of my drink off of my screen...

posted on 08 Dec 2011, 07:09 4

199. remixfa (Posts: 13942; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


gemini,
speaking as a person in the middle of obtaining a medical degree.. your so full of it your not funny. the brain is completely wired to multitask at all times.
Do something for me. think about breathing, while holding both arms in the air.. now wiggle your arms while looking around the room. do you know how many tasks you just did at one time? frikkin troll.

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 19:47

123. hepresearch (unregistered)


ummm... more than you can count, apparently. You may not realize it, but your iDevice runs only a few functions at a time. You can do the basics... play a little music, surf the web, text message, take a call... maybe a half-dozen operations or so at any given moment. Android, on the other hand, does everything all at once with fairly equal priority, including the automatic updates and preset background tasks, as well as running the virtual engine of the OS... all at the same time... and we are talking about... oh... I am not so sure you can count this high... okay, 40 to 60 operations at any given moment. Granted, your iDevice looks real smooth in the process (it is true...), but it is providing huge chunks of limited high-priority processing power to the same operation that, on Android, is occupying a much smaller sliver of up to twice the total processing power, and at normal priority on top of that. For doing so much, Android does not look half as bad as it could.

Bottom line: if I took an iPhone 4S today, and somehow managed to run Android Gingerbread or ICS on it with the existing processor, it would indeed look horrible and force-close all over the place. However, if I took a Galaxy S II today, and decided to port iOS 5.0.x to it with its existing processor, it would run smoother than smooth... and then Apple would sue me for running iOS on a non-iPhone smartphone that actually has a flat front screen that is surrounded by a narrow black panel and a thin bezel!

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:20

133. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@hepsearch. Hahahaha, it does not matter. IOS approach is seamless on the front end and it saves more power. That results to better power management and os stability. Who cares if you can run 1000 functions simultaneously in the background? Is that necessary to the user? No. So why waste all of that energy and compromise performance for something that is so impractical? Just so you can boast about it?

I am writing this comment using my ipad, and if I need to do something else, and go back where I left off, my idevice can do that seamlessly with less power consumption. No need to reload either. And that is bad because???

posted on 07 Dec 2011, 20:36

137. hepresearch (unregistered)


What if it IS necessary for the user to run a lot of simultaneous functions... better yet, what if it is what they WANT to do? What you are saying is that, because YOU deem that ability to be unnecessary, YOU do not think that OEM's should produce a product capable of that ability. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but the world does not revolve around YOU!

If better power management is your thing, that is fine. If OS stability is your thing, that is fine. Those are YOUR preferences. Just because those are YOUR preferences does not mean that YOU need to get on here and actively belittle those who do NOT share YOUR preferences!

So if it is impractical, unnecessary, or wasteful, then YOU declare that it should not be produced? I am SO glad you do not run things around here...

I never said that your iPad was bad. In fact, I am more likely than ever to go with an iDevice if I ever actually needed a so-called smartphone... because I am not likely to go back to being the OS-modder I once was, and in my older age I am beginning to prefer simpler and smoother-operating electronics that require less work. I don't care how slowly your iDevices sip from the battery... if a 1000 mAh battery on iOS lasts as long as an 1800 mAh battery on Android, then it does not matter to me... they will last a similar amount of time throughout normal usage on the appropriately sized batteries provided.

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