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Head of USPTO to step down in January: a look back and forward

0. phoneArena 26 Nov 2012, 17:23 posted on

Over the years, we have certainly taken our shots at the US Patent & Trademark Office (USPTO) and the increasingly ugly state of software patents in the US. Given that history, we are somewhat torn over the surprising news that the head of the USPTO, David Kappos, will be stepping down from his post in January...

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posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:29 11

1. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3766; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)

"Kappos has confused the speed of innovation that we're currently seeing with a working patent system."
Hell yeah!!
Maybe the stupid patents will be heard less of now...unless Kappos' junior takes hold of it...running his own world.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:44 10

4. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:54 1

12. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Explain how he is a moron, please.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:38 8

20. Hammerfest (Posts: 383; Member since: 12 May 2012)

Its pretty self explanatory... brb, googling patent trolls, compiling chart of ever increasing incidents, and lack of resolutions by the USPTO....

ok, done!

The MORON is GONE!"""

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 19:26 2

25. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Patent trolls aren't something new that have come about because of Kappos. There's a big difference between creating a problem, and not being able to fix a problem, especially when it comes to government. Kappos was only the head of the USPTO for 4 years, which isn't that long given the speed at which government works.

Kappos did try to fight patent trolls, but his measures in the AIA haven't had time to fully play out, since the Act was just passed last year.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 19:23 2

23. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)

i have got a warning from the mods for my previous comment...hmm i seem to be the mods favorite in rhat sort of way :)
but i am sure you understand if i dont do any explaining! for all i know it could be you who issued me the warning...just saying

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 19:28 1

26. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Sorry to say, but I don't understand why you won't explain your comments. It seems extreme to call a guy a moron and then not give any explanation to back up that claim.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 04:44

39. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)

I would explain myself if i hadnt received a warning from the mods. I dont want to risk getting another warning by explaining myself. Next time you mods can ask me for an explanation before you give me a warning or worse ban me!

You have to hear out reason before you take action. you mods took your action and then you want me to explain yself...I am sorry but you cant have the cake and eat it too...all by yourself :)

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:30 3

19. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1163; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

Whether you agree with the man or not, it does not make him a moron. Also, it's the system and laws you should be going after, not the man who is just doing his job. The America Invents Act of 2011 is what is the problem. It changed the entire system from being the first to invent something to the first to file. The problem with this setup is that well-established businesses that have attorneys on hand with familiarity of the patent system have a keen edge over entrepreneurs that don't have expensive attorneys or a good enough knowledge of how the system works. The entrepreneurs also may not have the money to file for a patent whereas big businesses do.

It's just a bad system and it has potentially gone from bad to...even worse.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 20:32 2

30. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

He's not gone yet but iMHO, he should be iFired now; we can't spend another holiday season with Mr. Grinch!

I just hope he's not replaced with judge lucy Ho!!

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 00:50 1

38. nobelset (Posts: 270; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)

As a guy who loves technology, I don't like apple, I use Microsoft and Google's products but don't you think calling him a moron is a bit too much? I'm not a big fan of Michael but I think his point is quite true this time. It's not like David handles hundreds of thousands of patents by himself, but if he was the mastermind who approved apple's rounded corner thing, then yes, he's a moron.

posted on 29 Nov 2012, 09:51

40. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)

It wouldnt surprise me if he lands a cushy job at Apple...

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 20:22

29. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Much like how people say Jobs was the only good thing at apple, or Elop is the only one doing stuff at Nokia, or Ballmer is the only guy at Microsoft, it isn't just Kappos running the PTO

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:33 4

2. tedkord (Posts: 11689; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

I guess it's time to pursue new challenges, to find new institutions to turn into a mockery.

So many agencies to mismanage, so little time...

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:39 2

3. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

How would you say Kappos has mismanaged the USPTO? Given the state it was in when he took over, he's done an okay job in the past 4 years.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:46 7

6. htc_prep (Posts: 303; Member since: 09 Oct 2009)

apple now holds a pattent for a rectangle with rounded corners...

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:50 1

9. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

The USPTO was busted before he got there. Like I said, he's done an okay job, nowhere near great. He has fixed some issues, and hasn't fixed others. I'm just saying that doesn't add up to "mismanagement", nor turning the institution into a "mockery". The patent system was a mockery well before David Kappos.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:21 8

18. tedkord (Posts: 11689; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

And yet, under his management, the Apple rectangle with rounded corners patent (and nearly every silly patent Apple applied for) was granted. That qualifies as mismanagement to me. It may have been a mess he inherited, but it was just business as usual once he got in.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:46 1

21. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

He came in with over 800,000 backlogged patent applications, and over 500,000 patents filed each year. But, one patent determines the entire legacy of a guy? Come on.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 22:28 1

33. Cynipap999 (banned) (Posts: 138; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)

That's what's wrong with this country: no accountability and workers covering for coworkers and mismanagers; people given a free ride based on quotas and their incompetence overlooked; government employees who can not be fired because once a person becomes a government employee in this country the only way they get fired is either by gross misconduct, sexual scandal or crime conviction. People never get fired anymore based on job performance, or lack thereof!!

posted on 29 Nov 2012, 09:53

41. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)

I know, Apple could have applied for a patent to sliced bread, and he would have granted it to them...

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:45 3

5. htc_prep (Posts: 303; Member since: 09 Oct 2009)

well my only 2 cent comment is that i hope that the next head honcho doesnt allow a triangle with a point to point display. the word "olympics" "thats hot" or a robe that i wear backwards to be patented

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:47 1

8. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Yeah, so glad that we don't have to deal with the quagmire of trademark on this site. That would be a whole different nightmare.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:46 4

7. Droiddoes (unregistered)

Micheal H defending the USPTO which is heavilyu biased towards apple.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:53 3

11. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Did you miss the entire "The bad" section? Or the not-so-subtle jabs at Apple's patents?

I really wish people would back up their claims of "bias", because they often really don't make sense.

Not once did I "defend the USPTO". I merely said that the guy who has been in charge the past 4 years wasn't a total failure.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 00:49

37. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Michael H is a blinding ray of light in comparison to most tech "journalists"/bloggers, and he actually can qualify as a journalist based on his highly insightful, well-thought-out and reasoned articles. If anything, he has a slight bias against (but respect for) apple, so saying he is pro-apps obviously is indicative of your lack of research and knowledge. He is the anti-Biddle (Gizmodo's resident apple gobbler), and deserves all the respect and acknowledgement due for such efforts. I don't agree with all Michael has to say, but I cannot disagree with his bases.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:06 2

15. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)

No... he's defending Kappos... not USPTO.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:20 5

17. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10456; Member since: 14 May 2012)

Michael is the least biased on the site. If you want to see bias towards Apple, talk to Ray S. or John V.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 17:51 6

10. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)

Kappos will enjoy his new job at Apple as a patent advisor.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:04 3

13. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)

In law, a public defender cannot practice to become a full fledged attorney until he has been able to defend a certain amount of cases. Many times they push cases through just to get them off the desk. Who obviously suffers at the hands of this operation?

Maybe Kappos has done somewhat of a good job pushing the backlogged applications through, but at what cost to the integrity of proper steps in protecting the intellectual property? Look at the chaos at large at this moment. I find it rather suspicious that patents of a certain company got pushed through under his leadership. I'm one step back from accusing foul play. Many of requirements mentioned such as "No working prototype" is against everything I was told when applying for a patent. It was essential a "working embodiment" was culminated to ensure proper witness of actual operation.

I have been petitioning the USPTO for about a year now. I welcome any resignation from top officials that can't seem to point the extinguisher at the base of the fire.

John B.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:05 1

14. jroc74 (Posts: 6005; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Hopefully this means changes. With a new person hopefully there are new policies, work procedures.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 18:12 2

16. jroc74 (Posts: 6005; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

From the article:

"In his speech last week, Kappos said that those who call the system "broken" should "move beyond flippant rhetoric and instead engage in thoughtful discussion". Well, we think we've done exactly that. Kappos made strides, but left some big issues unattended. We can only hope that Ms. Rea heeds our concerns."

Exactly. I mean what else can you say but that its broken? Thats not flippant rhetoric, thats reality, the truth. The truth hurts? It is what it is....

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 19:32 2

28. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I think that Kappos was just trying to say that calling the system "broken" without offering specifics isn't a very useful endeavor. Maybe that's just my interpretation, because that's my view. It's all well and good to call the system broken, but it's far better to have a discussion on specifics as to how it can be fixed.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 19:22 2

22. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

the reason why APPLE gets patent for every piece of technology they think they created

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 19:25 3

24. ncv144 (Posts: 126; Member since: 04 May 2012)

And Michael fights for people to be un-biased and not to judge people! I like his articles best because of the comment section, besides the always good content.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 19:30 1

27. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

It's hard to get people to be un-biased, but at the very least, I hope to get people to explain their claims, rather than just spewing volatile reactions. Thanks for the comment!

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 21:35 3

31. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

Take it easy, the 'net is full of this kind of people, spouting things and giving little support of their position. I read the whole article,
Kappos did what he could and made some missteps but at least he was moving the USPTO forward. Now the next person to replace him should enforce working prototype at the time of submission. Logical and naturally occurring things should not be allowed to be patented for any reason. Patents must be focused and not overly broad in description. Just need to work with judicial system and any time a patent is the subject of a lawsuit, then it should be reviewed to ensure it's validity before proceeding with wasteful drawn out trials.
Patents that were pushed through should all be given temporary status until it can be verified that the prototype works or functions. Any patent that has been granted and is seen as invalid can be validated only if the patent wording is streamlined to represent the product that it was supposed to be. Any new submissions must be be concise and worded clearly, so the USPTO doesn't have to wonder what this means when looking at the prototype and the patent wording.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 22:03 2

32. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I definitely like the idea of a provisional patent that becomes fully certified once there is a prototype. And, no doubt language guidelines need to be put in effect.

I'm just trying to be realistic. I know I can't stop haters from hating, but it can't hurt anything to ask them to explain their POV. Baby steps, you know?

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 23:22 2

35. roscuthiii (Posts: 2217; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

I did a spit-take... I thought you said volatile erections.

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 23:04

34. JGuinan007 (Posts: 684; Member since: 19 May 2011)

The biggest problem the USPTO has is there are SO many patents getting thrown at them they don't have enough qualified people to properly review them or time to go over them all with a fine tooth comb, there for alot of patents just get pushed through(well theres corp pay offs and other coruption too but we won't get into that). So if your a big Corp and you have the money to submit 1000 patents more than likely you would be approved for 999 of them, it just might take a few years

posted on 26 Nov 2012, 23:42 2

36. roscuthiii (Posts: 2217; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

I wouldn't necessarily call Kappos a moron. He hasn't done a particularly bad job, nor a particularly good job, as Michael demonstrated.

The biggest thing about the guy for me though, is the mockery the patent system is about to become after the switch over to a first-to-file system, which he played a large role in. All the idealistic rhetoric about the patent system being there to protect the innovators, their hard work, and acknowledge their achievements goes right out the window under this system. No longer will it matter who truly invented something, just who has the quicker printer, or the most direct line to the USPTO.

So, I'd say he's correct in saying the patent system isn't broken right now. No, it's just cracked and whoever wants to can slip something through those cracks from time to time. The patent system will be truly broken March 16, 2013 when those cracks are busted wide open and patents are awarded to whoever has the most resources on hand.

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