Has Apple lost its mojo? (poll results)
0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2013, 04:59 posted on
Has Apple lost its mojo? The question first started appearing as the realization came that with Steve Jobs Apple jost more than just another chief executive…
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8. scriptwriter (Posts: 396; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)
In my opinion, Apple never had any 'Mojo' in the first place.
37. joey_sfb (Posts: 3717; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
They do have Mojo in the iPad launch days. I was memorize when Steve job said; 'with the iPad, you are holding the internet in the palm of your hands!'
A week later, I holding the iPad One.
12. SIGPRO (Posts: 579; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
Yeaahhhh duhhh, only dumb people buy iphone now, there are way better phones available and cheaper!
29. criticism (Posts: 46; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)
Some people don't buy smartphones for their specs and capabilities! They just want to show what the brand they have in their hands!
36. SIGPRO (Posts: 579; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
And that what i call stupid people. so if they buy a pile of horse cr@p with a apple branding on it just to show off....than there some wrong with them!
43. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I love the whole "iPhone is for dumb people" line. Has it occurred to you that people continue to buy the iPhone because they like Apple's designs and they enjoy using iOS?
52. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Well, when they are about to change iOS into a cheap watered down carbon copy of Android, then yes.(iOS7) I can't wait to hear the iPhoners rave about how awesome the new features are and how they are a break through in the cell phone world. And then I can look at them and say, "That's funny, when I told you my Droid did that 2 years ago, your response was:" "Oh, I don't need all that."
58. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I was pretty amused when I started seeing things like a pull-down notifications bar and camera on the lockscreen in iOS 6 - things my phone had with GB. It's pretty clear that with iOS 7, iOS is borrowing liberally from WP and Android.
My point was that the appeal of the iPhone is in overall simplicity and quality of hardware and software together. There's nothing "dumb" about wanting a phone to be simple, clean, and uncluttered.
74. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
How is Apple less cluttered? I can literally have nothing on my Android screen and and on my Windows Home Screen.
However anything downloaded on and iphone has to be on screen or an a folder some where. So please explain to me how your argument is even remotely valid?
Is this another one of those "Oh I don't need all that" comments? Because the Androids and Windows Phones for that matter simply do more?
If so when you get done here, please feel free to go by your local car dealer and buy you a Ford Focus at the same price as a Mercedes, because "who needs all that?"
62. LiquidGalaxy (Posts: 273; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
And once again i say - this is the same iOS7 that was number 2 in the Google Play store for the past part of 5 weeks...If Android is so great what were the majority of users doing downloading this? A paid app too nonetheless..
75. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
A theme is not an operating system... And I'm looking at the website and on my phone and I can't see where any of those themes, paid or unpaid were the number 2 app in the Google Play Store. Nor are they under Top Grossing, Top New Paid, Top New Free, Or Trending for that matter...
82. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
your existence is satisfied by bashing iOS and Apple, you can't accept that people actually admire them.
So, i get ...you have chosen droid and give it a bad name by being a compulsive hater. Enjoy your existence
86. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
What does that even remotely have to do with me asking to be presented with actual facts? Sorry I want some one to show me the facts they are claiming to be true and not go along with them like a Zombie... And just for the record I have Windows 8 devices as well, so no I am not just a "Droid Fan"
At least my comment has something to do with the topic at hand...
And I appreciate it, I will definitely continue to enjoy my existence.
93. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
Fact: iOS is simpler and easier to learn, for the average non-techie.
Fact: iOS consumes less system resources than Android. This means the phone doesn't need as high of specs to get the same performance.
Fact: iOS devices hardware has fewer bottlenecks and are more optimized to the software than any Android device. This also results in lower specs giving good performance.
Fact: iDevices have better build quality and use higher quality components than the vast majority of Android devices.
Fact: A signifigant segment of the market are willing to pay more money for iOS' simpler, more refined, less overwhelming, easier to learn interface, and they also appreciate the better build quality that comes with it.
Fact: Apple iPhones and iPads currently sell better than devices from any other company.
Fact: Apple devices retain better resale value than devices from any other company.
Fact: You are android/WP8 fanboy with an obvious anti-Apple bias.
95. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
I'll accept them as fact, as soon as you post FACTS not just your opinion or conjecture on the matter. A link, to a reliable resource would be nice.
I can say that I'm an astronaut it doesn't make it "FACT"
97. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
Those aren't opinions. I'm not your bitch -- go do some research.
98. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Figured as much.
And yeah, you're mad
99. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
You figured that you're too lazy to look facts up for yourself?
And why would I be mad? It's not my problem that you're ignorant. Doesn't affect me one bit.
100. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
You're stating your opinion continuously. And I will again challenge you to post some type of reliable source(s) to back them up. I have done my research plenty of times over, I'm asking to you prove it wrong. Why should I research something that you are vehemently claiming and defending to be true? You're the one claiming it not me...
If you think that cursing over it and cutting me down makes you look better or makes your opinions any more valid, then you're sorrily mistaken. You're obviously upset.
103. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
They're facts regardless of whether I spoon-feed you sources. I've played this game before -- if I waste my time providing you with links, you'll just dispute the source (regardless where it comes from) and continue to deny the truth. I'll say it again -- I'm not your bitch -- go do your own research and discover the facts for yourself if you don't believe me. Don't take my word for it. If I'm lying, then prove it.
You haven't provided any source links so why should I waste my time for you to just simply refuse whatever source I provide?
"Bitch" isn't even a curse. And I called you ignorant because that's what you're being. If you refuse to accept objective facts without even doing your own fact-checking, that's what you are -- ignorant.
Trying to convince an ignoramus is about as futile as arguing with a brick wall. If you want to be ignorant, go ahead -- not my problem.
104. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
HAH WOW! That's all I got for this one. Take some Prozac man.
You mad bro?
105. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
.... We're just talking.
You're obviously trying to troll ("u mad bro?") and failing at it, so I think we're done here.
Go ahead and continue to be willfully ignorant -- not my problem or my job to make you see the truth.
107. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Just talking? I always call people names and cut them down during general conversation. And then I claim that cursing at them is not cursing at all. Give me a break.
You just need to realize that your opinion is not a fact nor do I need to research things that you are stating as fact. Most people that throw "facts" around will usually site them. I presented several things in previous statements that were factual and instead of rebutting them, you went on a rant and listed your opinions on several things. You didn't even respond to any of the posts that were on her or my requests for support of what you are stating. You just personally attacked me.
So yeah, I will ask you again. You mad bro?
And if my "opinions" are so meaningless to you, why are you wasting your time responding to them?!
108. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
They're not my opinions though -- they are facts.
The great thing about facts is that they're still true even if you don't believe them. As for my not rebutting your points, I didn't see you making any points -- the only things you've said to me is "no it's not true no no no no no no no no no no".
"No it's not true" is a claim too, and you won't provide citations either, so that makes you a hypocrite, in addition to being an ignoramus.
Learn to look things up for yourself. Do your own fact-checking. Don't expect people to always spoon-feed you everything.
And stop whining about being called an ignoramus. If you don't like it, then stop being ignorant.
I can see that this conversation isn't going anywhere, so unless you have something intelligent to say in your next reply, I don't think I will respond.
106. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
You asked for facts, so I gave you facts.
Why do you think I might be mad?
Because you don't accept the facts?
Please -- as if I care about you and your silly opinions.
109. RecoveringiPhoneUser (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
Fact: Anyone who posts opinion on a message board as "Fact" is trolling.
110. RecoveringiPhoneUser (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
But, to be a little less troll-y, here are two non-Facts in your list of Facts.
Fact: iOS is simpler and easier to learn, for the average non-techie.
Simpler, easier, and "average" are either inherently subjective or undefined. Even if you could define and accurately gauge whether someone is a non-techie, good luck surveying them with a common objective definition of simpler.
Fact: iDevices have better build quality and use higher quality components than the vast majority of Android devices.
"Better build quality" is almost completely subjective. Personally, I find the aluminum of iPhones to be inferior in build quality. My work iPhone 5 looks like crap with scratches and dings everywhere. It also suffers from bad battery life and the touch screen doesn't register motions along the right hand side. My Android phone is far superior as far as I'm concerned.
111. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
Edit: nevermind, I saw your second reply.
I'll admit that those 2 were more subjective..
123. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Most of your statements were completely subjective...
125. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
Nope. Just those two. The rest were facts.
126. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
'iOS consumes less system resources than Android' is not a matter of opinion.
'iOS devices hardware has fewer bottlenecks and are more optimized to the software than any Android device' is not a matter of opinion.
'A signifigant segment of the market are willing to pay more money for iOS' interface' is not a matter of opinion.
'iPhones and iPads currently sell better than devices from any other company' is not a matter of opinion.
'Apple devices retain better resale value than devices from any other company' is not a matter of opinion.
Those things are true whether or not you accept them. They are objective observations. They are not a matter of opinion. You can disagree all you like, but you'd be wrong.
129. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
iOS consuming less resources to run doesn't really say much when the machines are STILL incapable of producing true HD visuals, let alone many other features that Androids can perform, or even windows phones for that matter. It doesn't require a lot of power under the hood when your device simply does not have the capabilities that others have. So wha't your point?
Haven't been able to find anything to state that iOS has fewer "bottlenecks and more optimized" hence why I asked you to post where you found this... Until you do it's your opinion...
I'll cede that a significant sector of the market buys apple iOS products, what's your poiint? Samsung does too as well as Nokia and HTC. The word significant is still a relative broad term... And there are more Androids in consumers hands now than iOS devices...
Here's the "FACTS" from one of the worlds leading resources... That DO NOT support your opinion even remotely...
I'll give you that iphones hold their value you more than Androids as whole. However Androids are released so frequently and only a select few can be considered flagship, it's no surprise there. Apple however releases one device a year(with the exception of this year)why wouldn't they hold their value better?
Saying Apple devices hold their value better than Android is a pretty generalized statement...
130. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
Ugh... Why does it need to have full HD when you won't notice the difference on the screen unless you were looking for it with a magnifying lens? (And before you complain about the screen being too small, it's the perfect width to reach the whole screen with your thumb so you don't need 2 hands.)
iOS is more optimized to the hardware: doesn't run the entire OS inside a virtual machine
iOS devices have fewer hardware bottlenecks: if nothing else, the RAM is built right into the CPU die area, increasing access speed
The fact that there's a segment of the market dedicated to (and willing to pay more money for) Apple products answers the question of whether Apple is going anywhere any time soon.
Those statistics you cited are for Samsung's smartphone sales in general -- come back at me with statistics for samsung's individual smartphones (ie, Galaxy Note II), if you're trying to disprove what I've said.
And finally, the fact that iOS devices hold more resale value than any Android device is a pretty big deal, when it comes back to that question of whether Apple is going anywhere any time soon.
The HTC One is considered a pretty good quality, high end phone that was released fairly recently -- yet it holds practically no resale value compared to the iPhone 5 which was released a year ago.
In conclusion, I'd just like to say that it doesn't matter how much you fanboys bash Apple on websites such as this... Apple isn't going anywhere any time soon.
137. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
If you can't tell the difference in HD quality and standard quality anything, you might want to get your eyes checked... When you get done here why don't you run down to best buy and pick you up a 480p TV since it looks no different than a new 1080p LED one. Oh and pay the same price for it, since there's no fall off in quality. And that's just one feature of many that the Apple devices STILL do not have.
Again I asked you to site this, and you're regurgitating the same thing over and over...
And I present you with a solid sales number and you refuse to accept it from one of the world's leading companies. And just to clarify there are several iPhone models being sold as well as iPads. So where did this only "1 device" thing come from. If you would like for me to site where the GS3 and the GS4 out sold the iPhone 5 as well, I will be more than happy to. But you choose to single out the Note 2 which is a phablet not a smart phone. And that's probably because the sales numbers were lower because it's a pretty cornered market.
You previously stated this "'iPhones and iPads currently sell better than devices from any other company' is not a matter of opinion."
And I CLEARLY showed you where this is completely and totally a matter of YOUR OWN BIASED OPINION, and now you're making more outlandish sales statements.
I never said that apple was going anywhere anytime soon. So what's your point? I'm just stating the inferiority of their products. Not if the company is on Blackberry status.
I did however notice that you continue to avoid mentioning the S3 and S4 which have very high resale value, but you jump ship to HTC who only accounts for a very small percentage of the cell phone market...
And just to clarify I don't even own a Samsung smartphone.
139. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
I'll cede that the iPhone isn't the best selling phone, but you've still got some ways to go if you want to disprove every point I made.
You think iPhone is inferior, but luckily for Apple, there's millions of people who will vote with their wallet, and they disagree with you.
Not going anywhere.
And to clarify, I don't even own an iPhone.
140. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Wow, you said what I said. I see what you did there. Very witty sir, you got me.
Again, where did I say that Apple was going anywhere? Still waiting on that clarification among many others.
141. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
I didn't say that you said Apple was going anywhere... *I* said that it doesn't matter how much you hate on Apple, they're not going anywhere any time soon.
The entire article, poll, and comment section is all about whether Apple has lost its mojo and are going to fail as a company.
You Apple haters are hilarious how you spend so much time trying to convince people that they suck while they continue to pull in billions.
142. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
I never ever saw the idea stated or presented in the article that Apple may potentially fail. You may want to reread it bro. Throwing your opinion around again I see.
Just because a company falls from grace doesn't mean they're going to fail. And the writer definitely didn't convey that message. You're the only one that is pointing that out or even remotely stated that people I said that or the writer did. He's just pointing out that Apple's popularity is slipping as are their sales. It doesn't mean the company is going to implode. It happened once and Microsoft bailed them out anyways...
Now a stock drop of almost 50% and unhappy investors certainly do not bode well for a company. Neither does a slipping market share or lackluster sales of your new products compared to your major competitor. Even having major providers dropping your product entirely in other Regions and Countries is bad for business. That's business 101 not rocket science... Doesn't mean they're going away completely.
Look at how far Motorola has fallen since the days of the RAZR, KRAZRS, etc, but they're still in the game.
Either way I still stand by what I said about you throwing around your opinions, presented you with facts which you continuously refused to do, and are now splitting hairs with me over off the wall things. That have nothing to do with what we originally disagreed upon...
It's pathetic honestly. You were wrong on several of your points man it's okay...
143. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
A year ago the stock was 549 and right now it's 464. Three days ago it was 506. All this means is that their stock is back where it was about 2 years ago.
I've been hearing rumors that Apple has some thing(s) up their sleeve for this autulmn's 2nd product launch in a month or two. Who knows what the stock is going to do.. The stock market fluctuates -- that's how people make money with stocks.
What is meant by Apple has lost their mojo , if it doesn't imply that they're making hand over fist? They're still making money hand over fist. Doesn't 'lost its mojo' mean that people stop liking them / giving them money?
Besides any point of this paticular individual thread about this poll, not everyone who voted had thought Apple had any mojo to begin with. It would be better to ask this on an Apple fan site, to see if actual Apple customers thought they had stopped making billions of dollars because people like them so much.
You only proved I was wrong on one of my points (which I ceded), and a couple of them were subjective opinions I mistakenly presented as facts.
I don't really want to keep this going, so I'll admit that you're right.
Apple has lost its mojo. Everybody hates Apple now. They will not be making money any longer.
Happy now? I hope so.
13. JMartin22 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
It seems the mid-ranged Apple phone will remain a mid-ranged Apple phone again this year. The short-lived boost of an ARM-v8 based processor will dwindle when powerhouse flagships from Samsung and HTC's Galaxy and One series incorporate these same tactics, plus all the other things they will do better.
14. darkkjedii (Posts: 13812; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Not at all, apple is simply sticking to it product cycle. Look out again next year, when its all new stuff.
44. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
This poll was not about iPhone 5S or iPhone 5C, it was about Apple's mojo overall.
53. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Some people struggle with Context Clues PhoneArenaUser, they can't help it...
76. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1677; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I wish I had a nickel for everytime you say "look out next year" when it comes to Apple. I would be a very rich man. It's always next year with you iFans. I hope you enjoy last years device next friday. JOKE
81. darkkjedii (Posts: 13812; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Don't be mad cuz I buy what I like, and you follow the crowd...JOKE!!! And if you had a nickel for every time I said that, you'd be about as broke as you are rite now, which is why you won't be buying an iPhone 5S...JOKE!!!
17. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
phone arena, i can deal with a lot of your crap. your blatant ignoring of rampant fandroid trolling in your comments is nearly intolerable, but i still come here for the phone info.
if you seriously start to feed your trolls with garbage like this, i will gladly delete my account and head elsewhere for my phone fix.
all time low.
70. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"if you seriously start to feed your trolls with garbage like this..."
How this poll is garbage?
73. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
it's nothing but click bait for fandroid trolls like yourself.
judging by your posts, you have clicked on the article dozens of times. sweet life.
77. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...fandroid trolls like yourself."
I don't like Apple as a company and I don't see how it makes me a fan of something.
And If this poll results somehow buthurts you, that doesn't mean it is garbage.
"judging by your posts, you have clicked on the article dozens of times. sweet life."
Your attempt to offend just proves that you are buthurt. Also what about your clicks on this article? ;)
21. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
5000 votes for a company that lost its mojo!? if 5000 people voting is not mojo then i don't know what is,
Quick question - Who has got the mojo now and why?
47. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
it is doesn't matter if it is 50000 or 5000000 because you will be still in a blindly denial. :D
71. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
blind denial of what man? its a fact...run through any article...if the name Apple features on it ....it sure to has more comments.
while you don't like apple supporters so to speak, you yourself have become what you detest albeit on the other side
78. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...while you don't like apple supporters so to speak..."
I have never said that, it is only your interpretation. In my opinion everyone is free to speak.
84. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
while bashing every comment, admiration shown towards Apple..it doesn't take a genius to get to that interpretation.
Your failed attempt at being diplomatic at that shows how fickle your own opinion are in your mind. Jump the bandwagon.
I feel when you comment on android threads..you use more sense in your comments
133. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Again, only your interpretations.
23. giri.1131 (Posts: 22; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)
Apple has many users committed to its ecosystem thus noone will ever stray from it for a while. But these minor improvements every year are really not the full commitment u expect from such a company renowned for its innovation. I use a Note 2. For mobiles, android is the best right now. The level of customisation and freedom to the users in android is vast and limitless.
For now Apple has lost its mojo and is playing catch up and not too well at that. I watch the iphone event every year in anticipation of something great to sway me to try the ios ecosystem but sadly it just doesnt have enough to sway me.
I might try a windows phone next as my secondary phone but my primary driver will be an android phone. Btw the iphone 5c is just bull@#$@. The iphone 5 would have been at the same price if they had not removed it. where the hell is the reduced price they are talking abt with this cheap plastic