Has Apple lost its mojo? (poll results)
0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2013, 04:59 posted on
Has Apple lost its mojo? The question first started appearing as the realization came that with Steve Jobs Apple jost more than just another chief executive…
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1. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Has Apple lost its mojo?"
Answer is clear - YES! :)
4. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Almost 90-10 in the Yes column. I wonder if that is why Apples share price is off as well?
10. Tsoliades (Posts: 228; Member since: 22 Dec 2012)
I wouldn't take this vote seriously, because this forum is filled with raging fandroids (myself included, but not as strongly).
11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Well, for those who vote with their wallets, Apples share price was off around 5% after the announcement.
28. criticism (Posts: 46; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)
and for those who want a smartphone for its prestige and fashion, Apple share trend is not totally important!
33. iampayne (Posts: 322; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
Well thats a dumb statement, you realize the stock price has nothing to do with how well products sell. Example, the iPhone 5 lauched and sold millions its first day, the stock price went down. Selling products has nothing to do with stock price. Wall street is a joke on all fronts.
92. johnbftl (Posts: 281; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
Stock prices don't affect sales, but sales sure do affect stock. Apple spiked to an all time high in shares the week of the iPhone 5 release. Wall street is not a joke. Without investors that well of money runs out mighty fast. No money for R&D, no money for production, all that cash Apple has wouldn't last them a few years without investors to keep it going. Think of yourself as an investor in Apple shares. Not some schmuck with 10 shares, but a decent investor. About 3500 shares. From the launch of the iPhone 5 to today, you've lost over $1 million in their rapid decline on the market. Now I wouldn't want to pump any more money into a company that is costing me that much, that fast. Would you?
119. 14545 (Posts: 1468; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Actually, I think it's off so bad because investors were expecting a "cheaper" iPhone for developing markets. And all apple did was to make it a few pennies cheaper and maintain their ungodly margins. That's just stupid economics. And not any way to break into those "developing" regions.
16. criticism (Posts: 46; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)
u'd better to say here you can easier criticize the Apple products! that's the reason for which i greatly interested to read the comments! in some forums if you don't worship apple, then you will be kicked out!
32. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
but the people who inhabit this anti android site is android.
Thus poll votes will favor android fans who don't like apple.
40. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
PhoneArena.com is not only about Android, Windows Phone or iOS, it is mixed website. And if there is more Android fans and less Apple fans than it was before, that just proves the fact that people are leaving iPhone and that Apple is losing its mojo.
101. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
Some logical fallacies in your thinking. The poll literally proves nothing except what the people who frequent this website think. And this website is certainly not representative of the average consumer of the world at large.
132. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
This website is for average user, majority of real geeks sit in such forums like XDA and similar. Also what's wrong with these results, these votes are also from people not from dogs...
146. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
The results are only representative of the users of this site. Are you suggesting that people who have never been to this site participated in the poll? That's a ridiculous assertion.
A better question to ask here would have been "does Apple have any mojo?" because it's very likely that a majority of this sites users never liked Apple in the first place. The results of such poll would still only be representative of user of this site.
The question assumes that all of the poll's respondents believe Apple had mojo to begin with. In order to really answer the question of "Has Apple lost its mojo?", the question needs to be asked exclusively to a group who like Apple, or liked Apple in the past.
The only thing this poll demonstrates is that 10% of the people who participated in this poll like Apple products -- which isn't surprising at all considering most Apple fans have no reason to come to this site because they are all on sites dedicated to Apple products.
Furthermore, 10% of the people who participated in this poll (sample bias aside) DO like Apple products -- therefore Apple does have mojo, at least with the segment of the market who do like Apple products.
"Has lost their mojo" means that nobody likes them anymore, which is not the case. Apple is still making billions of dollars in profit every quarter, because millions of people continue to buy Apple products.
56. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 803; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
Would you take real world facts seriouly like- Apple shares falling & apple losing Share in mobile market.....???
Apple used to produce amazing devices once,but now its not very pleasing + its offered at very high price... Sorry Apple but your stubbornness will drown you....
90. dan86 (Posts: 298; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)
Actually Apple has lost its sense. Finally tech blogs are accepting it.
122. Mobilephile (Posts: 146; Member since: 25 Nov 2012)
I don't think that it's a matter of androids vs. Apple fanboys here on the site, rather just a matter of this question being asked too late. On the flip side, would you see an article today asking if Samsung lost its mojo? Highly unlikely
31. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)
The result is clear, but is it representative for all consumers? I don't think so. But the result is clearly representative for this forum!
87. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
The results are still only representative of this forum, and this forum is not necessarily representative of the market in general.
We've got to remember that Apple still currently sells more devices than any other company, and Apple devices still retain better resell value than devices from any other company.
iOS is losing market share to Android, yes... but that's because there's 10 billion companies that make Android devices, but none of those individual companies has as high of market share as Apple.
113. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
---" iOS is losing market share to Android, yes... but that's because there's 10 billion companies that make Android devices,"---
This argument is stale. It doesn't matter how many devices Apple sells. Only 17% of the world have embraced ios regardless.
Everyone tries to dig deep to try and keep Apple as number one. Yet, when in fact, marketshare proves differently. And this is what really counts.
115. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
"[Market share] is what really counts."
Apple's market share is doing better than any of the other individual companies that sell mobile devices.
The fact that Apple's devices retain much better resale value than any of the companies they're competing with shows what's really going on in the market place. People love iOS devices -- even used ones...
120. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
As an individual company, you may make the point of Apple selling more devices than its individual counter parts. However, this is essentially pushing empty numbers into a false marketshare claim. Apple consumers simply have no choice but to purchase Apple products and only 17% percent of the mobile world, is choosing Apple products. My original disagreement still is the end result of IOS Vs Android. Ios is Apple. This puts Apple into their 37 year old DNA structure. Just like Mac vs PC.
If people are going to create a war of Apple vs Android, all elements need to be in the equation to form the total.
It simply doesn't matter how you feel about Apple or resale value. 79% of the world disagree with you and prefer to have a more equal balance between company and consumer. Are you saying that majority beliefs have no merit?
127. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
The question is, "Has Apple lost it's mojo?"
The facts that 'Apple is selling more than any other company', and 'Apple devices retain more resale value than competitor's products' are totally relevant to that question... and the answer to the question is 'no, they're still going strong'. There are still a signifigant segment of the market that is dedicated to the company, and will continue to buy its products, regardless of what a biased poll has to say on the matter. 17% only looks like a small percentage until you consider the fact that no other company holds as much market share as that.
134. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
---" The question is, "Has Apple lost it's mojo?" The facts that 'Apple is selling more than any other company', and 'Apple devices retain more resale value than competitor's products' are totally relevant to that question."---
I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying here. But, you're missing the point completely. Of course Apple is going to sell more of their products over competitors. If someone wants an ios experience, they need to purchase Apple hardware. Apple consumers simply have no other choice. However, what if Apple were to offer ios through a Samsung Galaxy S4? I know plenty of Apple users that would jump all over the larger screen, removable battery and SD card. Jailbreaking does not give them these interests. Apple creates a cult following as it always has. The 'Mojo" remains within this group of people. But, in the sum of numbers, the mojo is not within the large majority of the world marketshare. It has retained a marketed name without actually obtaining a substantial footprint through overall marketshare. Skewing numbers to change the actual end result, is misaligning reality. Apple's only social phenomenon, is within the United States. Singled out, this would maintain the "Mojo" within the market segment I believe you're eluding to. However, we simply can't ignore the rest of the world that does have access to Apple, yet, has not elected to join the ecosystem.
135. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Excellent job, with your post, as usual. Apple has lost its mojo long ago. The rest of world knows a something that America does not.
145. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
You make very fine points, sir. Apple still has mojo with a certain segment of the market, but overall people don't care for their products. That's a very fair way that you put it.
Also, it turns out that (I was unaware), earlier this year, Samsung's smartphone market share surpassed Apple's iPhone marketshare of sales. Apple is still doing pretty good though.
42. msa1988 (Posts: 418; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
This is like asking Honda drivers if they think Toyota has lost its mojo. I'm not saying I don't think Apple needs to step its game up, but you sure don't need a poll to find out what people on this site think. It's honestly one of the most biased sites I've been on. Congrats guys, you proved nothing.
66. theruleslawyer (Posts: 108; Member since: 23 Apr 2012)
The only way you'd get the biased sample you want is asking the question on the apple forums. Fact is there are far more android users than iphone users now. If anything the poll is further against Apple than even pure demographic voting would suggest.
88. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
Why would Apple fans (in large numbers) flock to a site that reviews phones in general? Of course this is a biased sample. All the Apple fans are over at Mac Rumors.
2. darushah.shah (Posts: 18; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)
Yes they need something very extra ordinary and revolutionary...
15. LiquidGalaxy (Posts: 327; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
Lol - i love people that like to believe this. Do you know how much money this company has?? They are not going anywhere anytime time soon, and their products will continue to sell in the millions, and will continue to be promoted by celebrities etc. the world over.
18. criticism (Posts: 46; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)
Don't be so confident! Just a few years ago, Nokia has much more better conditions (more than 60% of total phone trade)! But losing innovation made it what you see now!
22. LiquidGalaxy (Posts: 327; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
Nokia has never held as much value as Apple; they are also (pretty much) solely a mobile phone maker with no revenue coming in from any other areas. Apple have Phones, Tablets, Computers, TV set top boxes, iTunes, a soon to be released watch and countless other accessories and software. They are not RIPing as the original poster said..
45. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
95% of the apple stock is pretty much for the ipad/iphone/ipod (all are the same thing just packaged diffrently).
89. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
I think you'll find that stock is in the company, not individual devices. You invest money in a company not a device that the company sells.
Further, those devices you mentioned are still selling better than devices from any other company.
102. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
Thats not entirely true about Nokia, they have a fairly large business. They have their mapping business(Nokia Maps which owns Navteq), Nokia Solutions and Networks (NSN) which is where they make a large portion of their money. Those weren't in the deal with Microsoft btw, nor were their patents.
118. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
....I never made the assertion that they were. Though I'm sure most people my age had a nokia brick as their first phone, back in the day (early 2000s)
5. amansingal14 (Posts: 309; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)
iOS 7, 4S, 5, 5S and 5C, I am seeing you.
Edit - I mean they are clear indicator of the results.
6. bloodline (Posts: 706; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
to the average user it is still a fashion device. do they really need to have 'mojo' or just keep up the trend
9. tiara6918 (Posts: 2027; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Most of the people who have an iPhone are trend followers or fanboys. As long as they have that, their sales wouldn't go to a slump.
48. roldefol (Posts: 4108; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Most of the people I know with iPhones are neither trendy nor fanboys. They buy the iPhone because it's simple, user-friendly, and gets the job done.
50. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Then why didn't they buy a windows phone? 2 screens to run the entire phone is about as simple as it gets...
Erroneous on all accounts!!!
51. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...and gets the job done."
While other smartphones do not make the job, right?
54. roldefol (Posts: 4108; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Other phones aren't necessary in their view. It really is the simple, to-the-point iPhone, and then everything else. WP8 looks blocky, and Android phones are too cluttered. You have to get into the mentality of the average non-techie phone buyer.
60. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Average user don't have to root Android smartphones to make them work.
61. roldefol (Posts: 4108; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Another major complaint of mine around here. Don't assume iPhones are only for stupid people or trend-chasers or wannabe-rich folk. They're for everyone. And don't assume Android is better for everyone, but then tell me it has to be rooted and modded to work best. Smartphones are for all; make them work for all.
68. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
You have said that iPhones gets the job done. And it is silly argument since other smartphones also gets job done, so it is aint argument! And that's why I have said that if you don't want, you don't have to root your Android smartphone to meake it work, because it works even without a rooting or so.
If you don't realize my question in comment #51 was rhetorical and sarcastic.
91. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
iPhones are simple and easy to use. For the average user, Android is more complicated... not too complicated to learn how to make it get the job done, but it takes more effort to learn because it's not as clean as simple as iPhone.
I recently bought a Nexus 4, and it took me 2 weeks to figure out why it wasn't going into deep sleep, causing the battery to drain 10% per hour while idle... Just one anecdotal account of why iPhone is the better purchase for someone who doesn't want to spend hours trying to get their device to work properly.
114. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
---" iPhones are simple and easy to use. For the average user, Android is more complicated..."---
Then why do far more average users, own Android? It can't be because its compicated. But, rather because it is more comprehensive and has easier accessibilty to more offerings that consumers like without having to modify their devices.
116. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
Why do more average users own android phones? Because average people don't know what's best for them, and will get whatever is recommended to them by their fanboy friends....
That's what I think is going on.
If I didn't know as much as I do about how to get things working properly on my android, I would have been joined with the countless number of average users who complain of poor battery life on their phone. There might be more people using android, but that doesn't mean they knew what they were doing when they bought it, or how to get it working properly again when something goes wrong.
121. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
---" Because average people don't know what's best for them, and will get whatever is recommended to them by their fanboy friends...."---
Apple has been the quintessential definition of your argument since the original iPhone. Friends purchasing iphones because all their friends had one or wanted one. Now that Android is the world choice, poeple are dumb?
Hypocrisy does not make for healthy debate.
128. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
When people chose Apple devices because that's what their friends told them was best, it was good because iOS is a better OS for people who don't want to constantly solve problems with their device.. wakelocks etc.
Now that Android is the one that people are choosing because their friends recommend it (or whatever) , they end up with a device that isn't designed for people who don't know what they're doing - they end up with force closes and wakelocks etc. and have no knowledge of how to fix them, and even if they know what to do, they might not want to spend hours doing it.
iOS is designed for people who don't know what they're doing, don't want to learn how things work and fix them, or don't want to be bothered. And that's why iOS is a better fit for these people.
Further, I don't understand why you're calling me a hypocrite.. Do you think I own an iPhone? I don't. Even if I did own an iPhone -- am I guilty of something that I'm accusing others of doing? No, I am not. You're making an assumption with that one.
131. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
---" When people chose Apple devices because that's what their friends told them was best,"---
What makes this different than if Android is suggested by friends?
---" it was good because iOS is a better OS for people who don't want to constantly solve problems with their device.. wakelocks etc."---
In the history of computational devices, problems always reside. One of the most prolific requests from consumers, is to get the most out of something they purchase and with many choices. Apple may create something easy, but the average consumer had ambraced Windows and now android due to being access ready. Solving problems such as not wanting to jailbreak a device, is something that most consumers have no knowledge of and don't want to bother with it. Just plug and play.
---" iOS is designed for people who don't know what they're doing, don't want to learn how things work and fix them, or don't want to be bothered. And that's why iOS is a better fit for these people"---
Spoken like Steve Jobs. His exact words to push Ios as the go to platform. Marketing takes many shapes and to prey on consumers that seemingly know nothing, is an insult to many intelligent people that know nothing about other platforms due to this sales tactic.
---" Further, I don't understand why you're calling me a hypocrite. Do you think I own an iPhone? I don't. Even if I did own an iPhone -- am I guilty of something that I'm accusing others of doing? No, I am not. You're making an assumption with that one."---
To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what you're goal is here. You have consistantly have been celebrating Apple yet, now you say you don't own an iPhone? Do you own any Apple product? If not, then you are either a hypocrite in dismissing others logic for choosing another platform or a traitor towards Apple.
144. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)
It's not hypocritical for me to say anything I've said here. You can choose whatever device you want, for whatever reason you can think of. I said iOS is simple and easy to use. I would almost always recommend an iPhone to someone who is going to sign a contract to get their smartphone, if they're a technophobe... That's what my point is in this thread. I'm not a technophobe, thus it is not hypocritical for me to use another platform which is better suited to me as a user.
Since you asked: No I don't currently own any Apple products -- I owned an iTunes feature phone before, and later on I owned an iPod Shuffle. I don't own one right now, but I'm most likely going to be getting the new iPod Touch if Apple releases one this year. There are a couple features I'm crossing my fingers for.
There's nothing hypocritical about liking multiple competing brands.
And there's nothing insulting about recommending iOS to someone who's afraid of computers.
20. criticism (Posts: 46; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)
For being an updated fashion, u definitely need to be innovative!! When u just duplicating ur previous devices, then ur fashion also loses its popularity!
7. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 1386; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
Apple produce nice devices but todays Android flagships area way ahead of them.
They should have been best if no one else is around. Lol.