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Has Apple lost its mojo? (poll results)

0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2013, 04:59 posted on

Has Apple lost its mojo? The question first started appearing as the realization came that with Steve Jobs Apple jost more than just another chief executive…

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posted on 13 Sep 2013, 05:02 48

1. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Has Apple lost its mojo?"

Answer is clear - YES! :)

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 05:10 9

4. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Almost 90-10 in the Yes column. I wonder if that is why Apples share price is off as well?

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 05:29 8

10. Tsoliades (Posts: 228; Member since: 22 Dec 2012)


I wouldn't take this vote seriously, because this forum is filled with raging fandroids (myself included, but not as strongly).

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 05:34 1

11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Well, for those who vote with their wallets, Apples share price was off around 5% after the announcement.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 06:41 2

28. criticism (Posts: 46; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)


and for those who want a smartphone for its prestige and fashion, Apple share trend is not totally important!

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 07:13 1

33. iampayne (Posts: 322; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)


Well thats a dumb statement, you realize the stock price has nothing to do with how well products sell. Example, the iPhone 5 lauched and sold millions its first day, the stock price went down. Selling products has nothing to do with stock price. Wall street is a joke on all fronts.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 13:09 1

92. johnbftl (Posts: 281; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)


Stock prices don't affect sales, but sales sure do affect stock. Apple spiked to an all time high in shares the week of the iPhone 5 release. Wall street is not a joke. Without investors that well of money runs out mighty fast. No money for R&D, no money for production, all that cash Apple has wouldn't last them a few years without investors to keep it going. Think of yourself as an investor in Apple shares. Not some schmuck with 10 shares, but a decent investor. About 3500 shares. From the launch of the iPhone 5 to today, you've lost over $1 million in their rapid decline on the market. Now I wouldn't want to pump any more money into a company that is costing me that much, that fast. Would you?

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 20:58

119. 14545 (Posts: 1605; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Actually, I think it's off so bad because investors were expecting a "cheaper" iPhone for developing markets. And all apple did was to make it a few pennies cheaper and maintain their ungodly margins. That's just stupid economics. And not any way to break into those "developing" regions.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 05:52 3

16. criticism (Posts: 46; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)


u'd better to say here you can easier criticize the Apple products! that's the reason for which i greatly interested to read the comments! in some forums if you don't worship apple, then you will be kicked out!

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 05:58 8

19. Daftama (Posts: 619; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Ironic the site it self is anti Andriod

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 07:08 1

32. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


but the people who inhabit this anti android site is android.

Thus poll votes will favor android fans who don't like apple.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 07:36 8

40. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


PhoneArena.com is not only about Android, Windows Phone or iOS, it is mixed website. And if there is more Android fans and less Apple fans than it was before, that just proves the fact that people are leaving iPhone and that Apple is losing its mojo.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 15:23

101. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


Some logical fallacies in your thinking. The poll literally proves nothing except what the people who frequent this website think. And this website is certainly not representative of the average consumer of the world at large.

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 06:09

132. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


This website is for average user, majority of real geeks sit in such forums like XDA and similar. Also what's wrong with these results, these votes are also from people not from dogs...

posted on 15 Sep 2013, 17:21

146. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)


The results are only representative of the users of this site. Are you suggesting that people who have never been to this site participated in the poll? That's a ridiculous assertion.

A better question to ask here would have been "does Apple have any mojo?" because it's very likely that a majority of this sites users never liked Apple in the first place. The results of such poll would still only be representative of user of this site.

The question assumes that all of the poll's respondents believe Apple had mojo to begin with. In order to really answer the question of "Has Apple lost its mojo?", the question needs to be asked exclusively to a group who like Apple, or liked Apple in the past.

The only thing this poll demonstrates is that 10% of the people who participated in this poll like Apple products -- which isn't surprising at all considering most Apple fans have no reason to come to this site because they are all on sites dedicated to Apple products.

Furthermore, 10% of the people who participated in this poll (sample bias aside) DO like Apple products -- therefore Apple does have mojo, at least with the segment of the market who do like Apple products.

"Has lost their mojo" means that nobody likes them anymore, which is not the case. Apple is still making billions of dollars in profit every quarter, because millions of people continue to buy Apple products.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 08:19 2

56. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 811; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


Would you take real world facts seriouly like- Apple shares falling & apple losing Share in mobile market.....???
Apple used to produce amazing devices once,but now its not very pleasing + its offered at very high price... Sorry Apple but your stubbornness will drown you....

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 12:58 2

90. dan86 (Posts: 298; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)


Actually Apple has lost its sense. Finally tech blogs are accepting it.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 21:30

122. Mobilephile (Posts: 153; Member since: 25 Nov 2012)


I don't think that it's a matter of androids vs. Apple fanboys here on the site, rather just a matter of this question being asked too late. On the flip side, would you see an article today asking if Samsung lost its mojo? Highly unlikely

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 07:07

31. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)


The result is clear, but is it representative for all consumers? I don't think so. But the result is clearly representative for this forum!

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 07:38 1

41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Read my comment #40.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 12:49 2

87. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)


The results are still only representative of this forum, and this forum is not necessarily representative of the market in general.
We've got to remember that Apple still currently sells more devices than any other company, and Apple devices still retain better resell value than devices from any other company.
iOS is losing market share to Android, yes... but that's because there's 10 billion companies that make Android devices, but none of those individual companies has as high of market share as Apple.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 19:21 2

113. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


---" iOS is losing market share to Android, yes... but that's because there's 10 billion companies that make Android devices,"---

This argument is stale. It doesn't matter how many devices Apple sells. Only 17% of the world have embraced ios regardless.

Everyone tries to dig deep to try and keep Apple as number one. Yet, when in fact, marketshare proves differently. And this is what really counts.

John B.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 19:43

115. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)


"[Market share] is what really counts."
Apple's market share is doing better than any of the other individual companies that sell mobile devices.
The fact that Apple's devices retain much better resale value than any of the companies they're competing with shows what's really going on in the market place. People love iOS devices -- even used ones...

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 21:00

120. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


As an individual company, you may make the point of Apple selling more devices than its individual counter parts. However, this is essentially pushing empty numbers into a false marketshare claim. Apple consumers simply have no choice but to purchase Apple products and only 17% percent of the mobile world, is choosing Apple products. My original disagreement still is the end result of IOS Vs Android. Ios is Apple. This puts Apple into their 37 year old DNA structure. Just like Mac vs PC.

If people are going to create a war of Apple vs Android, all elements need to be in the equation to form the total.

It simply doesn't matter how you feel about Apple or resale value. 79% of the world disagree with you and prefer to have a more equal balance between company and consumer. Are you saying that majority beliefs have no merit?

John B.

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 00:21

127. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)


The question is, "Has Apple lost it's mojo?"
The facts that 'Apple is selling more than any other company', and 'Apple devices retain more resale value than competitor's products' are totally relevant to that question... and the answer to the question is 'no, they're still going strong'. There are still a signifigant segment of the market that is dedicated to the company, and will continue to buy its products, regardless of what a biased poll has to say on the matter. 17% only looks like a small percentage until you consider the fact that no other company holds as much market share as that.

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 06:36

134. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


---" The question is, "Has Apple lost it's mojo?" The facts that 'Apple is selling more than any other company', and 'Apple devices retain more resale value than competitor's products' are totally relevant to that question."---

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying here. But, you're missing the point completely. Of course Apple is going to sell more of their products over competitors. If someone wants an ios experience, they need to purchase Apple hardware. Apple consumers simply have no other choice. However, what if Apple were to offer ios through a Samsung Galaxy S4? I know plenty of Apple users that would jump all over the larger screen, removable battery and SD card. Jailbreaking does not give them these interests. Apple creates a cult following as it always has. The 'Mojo" remains within this group of people. But, in the sum of numbers, the mojo is not within the large majority of the world marketshare. It has retained a marketed name without actually obtaining a substantial footprint through overall marketshare. Skewing numbers to change the actual end result, is misaligning reality. Apple's only social phenomenon, is within the United States. Singled out, this would maintain the "Mojo" within the market segment I believe you're eluding to. However, we simply can't ignore the rest of the world that does have access to Apple, yet, has not elected to join the ecosystem.

John B.

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 09:09

135. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Excellent job, with your post, as usual. Apple has lost its mojo long ago. The rest of world knows a something that America does not.

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 18:37

145. RoboBonobo (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)


You make very fine points, sir. Apple still has mojo with a certain segment of the market, but overall people don't care for their products. That's a very fair way that you put it.
Also, it turns out that (I was unaware), earlier this year, Samsung's smartphone market share surpassed Apple's iPhone marketshare of sales. Apple is still doing pretty good though.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 07:40 2

42. msa1988 (Posts: 418; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)


This is like asking Honda drivers if they think Toyota has lost its mojo. I'm not saying I don't think Apple needs to step its game up, but you sure don't need a poll to find out what people on this site think. It's honestly one of the most biased sites I've been on. Congrats guys, you proved nothing.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 09:28 1

66. theruleslawyer (Posts: 108; Member since: 23 Apr 2012)


The only way you'd get the biased sample you want is asking the question on the apple forums. Fact is there are far more android users than iphone users now. If anything the poll is further against Apple than even pure demographic voting would suggest.

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