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Has Apple changed in the one year since Steve Jobs passed away?

0. phoneArena 05 Oct 2012, 07:02 posted on

On this day, we mark exactly one year since probably the most influential person in tech, Apple’s head Steve Jobs passed away…

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posted on 05 Oct 2012, 09:46 4

50. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Foxconn worker - lie. media engineering."

Maybe or maybe not, it is only your assumption.

"Scratches - overblown. You'll se when things cool out a bit."

Sorry I don't understand what you want to say by saying this "You'll se when things cool out a bit.". Do you mean that after some time iPhone 5 will be no more scratchable ???

"Apple Maps - logical situation of any service provider, soon it will be right on track with others."

So, when it will be on track, then Apple may call it "The most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever." but while it is not on track, there is no reason for shameless lie!

"So, nothing strange enough to be actually catastrophic towards buyers. Nothing different than other companies' doings"

Read my comment #34 below this this article.

"But, as I said, everything of Apple is now under microscope, because tendency is like that."

With such point of view you can justify any company...

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:01 1

52. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I forgot to add lie about "Thinnest phone ever!".

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:02 1

53. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


When I say thing's will cool a bit, I mean it will be shown that scratches are normal deviation on this quantities (no one could build it with less occurence at this quantity), and that iPhone can be scratched with keys just like any other mobile phone.

Yes, I can justify any company like that - this is precisely what I'm trying to say. All companies lie, and feeling cheated is always matter of whether media told us to feel cheated or not.

You see, I was once a stron Apple hater - some 5-8 years ago, and no one listened to me when I was telling them they are cheating.
And so I learned my lesson - I'm not the one who decides when someone is cheated, even if I had physical evidences, because I cannot interfere on what other people wants. This power is manipulative power that belongs to companies, not me.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:32 2

69. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 525; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


i'm fairly confident that if they wanted to samsung could easily make a 4" screened phone...

and how exactly does screen size impact performance?

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:26 2

55. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"When I say thing's will cool a bit, I mean it will be shown that scratches are normal deviation on this quantities (no one could build it with less occurence at this quantity), and that iPhone can be scratched with keys just like any other mobile phone."

1) We are talking about scratches out of the box !
2) Also there is such thing like a understanding about products endurance and company's responsibility about products quality!

I agree that all companies lie, but there is morality limits and Apple has crossed the line.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:34

58. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"...because I cannot interfere on what other people wants."

You see, I'm not trying to interfere or tell what people should buy or what they shouldn't, they has their own heads on the shoulders and they can make their own decisions. I'm just expressing my opinion about Apple and they can take it or leave it!

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 10:52 2

59. kach22 (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)


+2 to phone arena user. Couldn't have said better.
And this proves again ; it's difficult to wake up someone who is faking sleep.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:01 1

61. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


I'm industrial designer, and I know that Apple still holds the place of most consistent company when it comes to quality. Even with iPhone5.

Scratches out of the box? Yes, that's what I meant. Those deviations are normal in this quantities over such a high quality standards.

Apple didn't cross the line because the line is imaginary.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:05 1

62. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Samsung's fiasco was that tasteless spec comparison ad that was trying to say that their phone is better, but the truth is that iPhone stand up with this giant by being much smaller, thinner and underspeced. Samsung is unable to make 7,5 mm thick 4-inch screen dual-core phone with that kind of performance and user experience.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:10

63. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Those deviations are normal in this quantities..."

Maybe it is normal for manufacturer but it not normal for customer.

"Apple didn't cross the line because the line is imaginary."

On one hand yes, it is imaginary, but on the other hand there is legislative provisions about products quality and customer rights.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:12

64. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Thanks! :)

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:25 1

66. PhoneCritic (Posts: 747; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


I respect your views and loyalty for Apple products but I think Facts are Facts no matter how much you may not want them to be. As a former Apple iPhone owner I have to say that the company did act rather Arrogantly when it (Steve Jobs) said that we were holding the device wrong. They were actually blaming the customer. Facts also Apple maps was not ready to go and Stating that it was the best maps program on a platform was also wrong ( and they retracted their statement) Blindly saying that things were over blown is just plain ignorant.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 11:39

70. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Agree!

Also in some countries there is laws which prohibit say misleading or not truth information about the products in the commercials and in this way mislead potencial customers.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 12:35 1

72. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


It does impact performance, but not directly. Smaller screen size is usually on smaller chassis, and therefore smaller battery, especially if you want smartphone to be extremely thin. So usually manufacturers use weaker batteries and use weaker processors. iPhone 5 has managed to hold very efficient level of battery/performance/size ratio. It's actually a small miracle.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 12:40 1

73. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


You must decide whether you dislike Apple because they have crappy products or crappy PR.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 12:42 1

74. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


I agree. Then we should all enjoy Apple's failing on thousands of legal disputes initiated by angry customers which have been cheated, right?

Or am I missing something?

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:30 1

75. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"It does impact performance, but not directly."

Resolution impact GPU performance but not display size.

"...weaker processors."

1) SoC is not the same thing as CPU.
2) Size doesn't proportional to performnce.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:40

76. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Theoretically, according to the all problems with iPhone 5, there should be even more unhappy Apple customers and maybe even with legal disputes (time will show).
I'm also sorry to say that but in my opinion it just proves theory that the big part of people buy iPhone just because of brand name. So, maybe they even don't care about all iPhone 5 problems. :(

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:42

77. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Why he should decide? Maybe he dislike because of both?

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:43 2

78. letgomyeggroll (Posts: 138; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


AppleConspiracy, you are right they were not lied to. Apple user just don't know better or don't know the differences. All the hear from Apple, is that its the new cool technology that have just been developed by Apple. But it really means that it have been out and Apple finally got to work on their devices and OS. Oh yeah the other comment, We have designed and made an advanced IPhone or IPad, the truth? "We have thought of new futures according to the data base that we gathered from your usages. And our vendors have engineered to make it work for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:52 1

79. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Display size also affects, just like resolution and density.

In size: more surface needs to be lighten up
In resolution: more pixels needs to be driven
In density: the higher the density, the smaller are transistors, with higher power efficiency.

Size is not proportional to performance, but it is to battery, which has to drive more demanding hardware.

As I said, affects it indirectly.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:53 1

80. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


He should decide for the sake of the arguments. You can't use one argument as a substitue for another. That is, Apple's not having crappy products because Steve Jobs was arrogant. It's not cause and effect scenario.

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 13:58 1

81. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


I'm I the only one who truly doesn't believe in marketing?

Apple users see more competition's marketing than Apple's. Samsung and Nokia, for instance, have more agressive and more expensive campaigns.

It's rather that they are not interested in technology at all, just hear about iPhone from society itself, it's media presence. If something is a status symbol, then that's the reason for buy. And they are perfectly happy with it. No one is cheated. Do you really expect normal people should be interested in mobile IT?

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 14:58

82. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"In size: more surface needs to be lighten up"

So we are talking about performance or about energy consumptions because backlight doesn't have anything to do with performance.

"In resolution: more pixels needs to be driven"

Display size is not relevant to resolution. Resolution impact GPU performance but not display size!

So you are talking about SoC size or CPU because CPU is inside the SoC. And talking about SoC manufacturing Samsung is all the way in front of Apple!

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 15:01

83. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Apple's not having crappy products because Steve Jobs was arrogant."

What about antenna problems?
And today there is no Steve Jobs, what about all iPhone 5 problems?

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 15:04

84. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Do you really expect normal people should be interested in mobile IT?"

So according to you everyone who is interested in mobile IT is not normal?

posted on 05 Oct 2012, 16:54 1

85. letgomyeggroll (Posts: 138; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


"It's rather that they are not interested in technology at all, just hear about iPhone from society itself, it's media presence.Do you really expect normal people should be interested in mobile IT?"

Why not if you going be buying a Smart Phone, you should know what you're getting and what's available out there. Not once have anyone mention that they rather have an IPhone cuz of the media presence. They are so lock on to Apple cuz 1. headquarter is in California, but some don't know none of the products are engineer and made over seas. 2. Won't give other product a chance that they do more than Apple products do. They are so focus on the rainbow apple!!!!!!

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 02:44

87. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


No. They are just not the ones for who you design a phone that should be a mass success.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 02:49

88. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Like I said, it's indirect connection.

Display size calls for larger battery because most of battery drain comes from lighting up the surface of backlight. With smaller screen, this is good for battery life but again you have smaller surface, and by adding the thin body, your battery is smaller, and therefore weaker. So in a small phone you can't have strong processors, because they drain power very fast, so indirectly, it affects performance by design.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 11:26

89. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


First decide about what we are talking about performance or about energy consumptions!

"Display size calls for larger battery because most of battery drain comes from lighting up the surface of backlight."

Samsung use OLED based display which don't have any backlight!

"So in a small phone you can't have strong processors, because they drain power very fast, so indirectly, it affects performance by design."

If CPU is powerful, that still doesn't mean that it should eat a lot of energy and even if it eats a lot of energy it may be compensated with other parts small energy consumptions.

I see that you don't understand about what you are talking about, you are just pretending to look competent...

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