HTC's Nexus 8 tablet to be an Android L poster boy: 64-bit Tegra, 4 GB of RAM and 8 MP camera
0. phoneArena 08 Aug 2014, 04:08 posted on
We were wondering what's up with the Nexus 8, or the rumored premium Google tablet, made by HTC, and today a barrage of leaks might be hinting at an encroaching announcement. First we have a source claiming that the tablet, which has been referred to as Volantis or Flounder so far, is codenamed T1, and will feature an 8 MP rear camera, alongside 1.6 MP front-facer. A little digging in the tablet's firmware has also returned the unsurprising fact that it will ship with Android L out of the box, without any HTC Sense overlay shenanigans...
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1. salaal (Posts: 109; Member since: 08 Dec 2013)
Definitely going to get it if priced at 450$
18. sam_tek (Posts: 99; Member since: 18 Feb 2011)
I'll definitely sell you one if you are going to pay 450 for it! :)
41. torr310 (Posts: 558; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
I don't get it. HTC didn't catch the era when tablet was booming but starts to make it when the market is diminishing. Their executives should make more accurate decisions.
2. crestfallen (Posts: 14; Member since: 03 Apr 2014)
Why metal chassis? It's possible to make it feel premium without it. I think most people would prefer beastly innards than a premium look. It only made the tablet more expensive and not affordable like what Nexus tablets are known for.
9. nodes (Posts: 210; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)
yes, nexus device should be a cheap-device rather than a premium-expensive one.
google should go for Silver instead.
36. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
Nexus line was NEVER meant and will NEVER be a top-end device. Otherwise OEMs will not make it.
It's meant to be GREAT AFFORDABLE device. Nothing else.
The ignorant tech media shtick this "premium Nexus" nonsense every now and then , though. LOL
Oooh, and they never miss the "premium aluminun" tin can iMantra. And the i64 bit BS.
45. Dr.Phil (Posts: 981; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I don't know where you got "Nexus line was never meant and never will be a top device" from. While the Nexus line has traditionally been targeted towards developers, they've also made sure their devices are on the top end. In fact, that's why the Nexus devices have traditionally been based off of OEM's flagship devices. I mean if we take a look back in history, there have even been a few times where the Nexus devices were better than the flagship devices offered by the manufacturer.
The Nexus S was based on the Galaxy S, but showcased a much better design. The Galaxy Nexus was supposed to be based off of the SII internals but also had a much more premium design to it than the SII (all the way down to the slight curvature of the screen). Google took the MemoPad developed by Asus and added better internals and a different textured back to make it a premium device over the regular 7 inch tablet that cost $150.
Do you even remember that the Nexus 10, which hard to believe it was released 2 years ago, was the first tablet to have the 2560x1600 resolution? It was better than the Galaxy tablet it was based off both in terms of the screen resolution and also the internals (it featured the first dual-core A15 Exynos chipset with a Mali-T604 GPU). It's still being offered by Google today because the internals were so far ahead of it's time. I have one myself and it still is a great performer even by today's standards.
So, I disagree with your statement that Nexus devices are not meant to be top of the line. While they offer some cheaper devices to get consumers to look at Android devices (i.e. the Nexus 7), they also offer premium devices to showcase what Android is capable of. And you should take this as a good thing, because if the rumors are true about this Nexus 8 tablet then it will mean you as the consumer will benefit. If the Nexus 8 is able to offer a premium design with premium internals at a price that undercuts other tablets on the market (like the Galaxy Tab S 8.4) it will mean manufacturers will try to compete by offering a better device at a competitive price. So you as a consumer will win in the end.
37. RandomUsername (Posts: 754; Member since: 29 Oct 2013)
Maybe it's gonna be a Silver device.
54. gmatthias973 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Aug 2014)
I've been buying nexus since the nexus one which was also made by HTC and it was about $550 and the Nexus S was about $530. I have no idea where you guys are getting this Nexus=Cheap stuff
38. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
That's what Nexus is meant for, and will ALWAYS be.
Do not listen the ignorant tech media.
19. vincelongman (Posts: 2478; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Not sure what he means
But I'm happy they are going with Nvidia this time because Qualcomn hasn't been improving their chips much this year
The 801 is basically an overclocked 800
The 805 is a small improvement over the 801
Now the K1 currently the most powerful CPU/GPU by a good margin, until the Apple's A8, Samsung's next Exynos, or the 64-bit K1 (which is in the rumor)
4. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
And somehow, Apple's Latest iPad will be faster with half the specs... (sorry I had to, not many Apple users here)...
7. joey_sfb (Posts: 4081; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Also half the functionality and flexibility of a true multi threaded 64-bits Android mobile OS.
I hope the new unified windows would be a worthy challenge. iOS and wp8 made some sacrifices to run smooth on low end ARM SOC
11. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Half of functionality? I keep asking those that say iOS is limited how much more can you do on "Open" Android device that I cannot do on my iOS device?
I'm a contractor, that likes mobile games (Racing, Shooters, and Base Attack Games, as well as Sandbox types), I also use iPad for image editing, video editing, drawing things.
I need access to all my music, files, photos, and videos (1TB of data) at all times from anywhere.
I use iPad for invoicing, and contract write-up as well as drafting/drawing details of the project. I need all that to work seamlessly between phone and tablet. I need an assistant to remind me to pick up something at Hardware store when I'm near, call a customer, or pick up groceries when I'm passing a store. I need video conferencing with clients and office to point out details of the project live.
I need my phone to have latest for at least 3 years (I dont switch them like pants), and I need a local office/store with someone who's trained good enough to assist me anytime during any day with any questions on any feature on my devices. I need to access my cloud information from any computer. I need to navigate to all my apps at any given time without shoveling thru bloat.
Just like you, I unlock my phone a thousand times a day - I do not want to type in my password each time. I need my battery to last thru 8 hours of heavy use. And I need to control my notifications to not be a pesky nusense and ONLY give me info when I need it.
I can do all that with my useless iPhone and more... can you think of one thing your choice of a mobile device can do for me that will make it a more functional then mine?
13. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Also, I can do most of required tasks thru the day without unlocking my phone or even looking at the screen...
Siri was available to do most tasks on the phone about 3 years before Google Now. And in case I prefer Google Now - I can have that too, or any Google service you can point out...
14. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
And there are details within every feature that I enjoy on iOS, that many just skip over. For example, if i'm talking to another client who's using "have-as-useful" iPhone (as you say), or even iPad, or iPod (I call iPods and iPads thru email) I can switch to video (facetime) within a call without hanging up, you have no idea the convenience this makes. Unlike if I'm talking to customer on a "fully capable" Android Phone, I have to direct them to install, Tango or something just to point out a certain detail of the project.
Or while driving, use siri to send a text, verify what it says, change it if necessary, send it. and when there's a reply, have it read, and have the option to reply, review it and send it --- all without the need to look at a screen, not even to initialize siri, or texting... then take a note for me and set up a reminder all without looking.
Most Android phones will require a certain gesture on the screen to bring up Google Now otherwise you may get a S-voice (u-ugh).
Can some androids do some things more conveniently, yes. I will even agree that Google Now understands my speech better then Siri. But it will take several Android devices to give me all the things that people say that Android does that Apple cannot:
Nexus for OS updates and bloat free or near bloat free OS
HTC for camera in dark areas
Samsung for fingerprint sensor (assuming they'll improve accuracy like apple did)
LG or Sony for Design
Note for speed and battery duration (but the size too big to haul around)
and then each one has their bad and good details.
And I still haven't seen one Android phone that has a UI design that feels light, crisp, with natural gestures and layout that disappears leaving only function and presentation of content. Everything on android feels like they got stuck in 2009: iOS 3-ish.
Sorry for all the consecutive posts, it bugs me when people suggest that just because they can change a font on their phone, suddenly iDevices are useless...
22. sniper1087 (Posts: 440; Member since: 31 Dec 2011)
There are hybrid laptops like the Asus T100, dell venues 11 pro, Acer aspires switch 10, that are cheaper and are full fledge computers that have way more functionality over any iPads or android tablets since it lets you install x86 applications and some with additional features on the keyboard like 500GB HHD and or an additional battery.
26. joey_sfb (Posts: 4081; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Can your iPad run multi windows of apps on the same screen, such as video conference with your customers while having another window on PowerPoint and another one on pdf price list plus if need be start another thread downloading some files in the background?
I know you like your iPhone iPad and they are great devices but can they replace your multi threaded Mac OS X? Android is multi threaded with that potential if their user choose to use it like that provide the device has a high end specification such as Note Pro 12.2
59. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
This is my favorite post: Thanks for trying to bring real life situation to the topic.
1. This is a convenience and does not render an iPhone "half the functionality or flexibility" by any way. I bet for every one of your little conveniences I can name one on iOS that Android doesn't have.
2. Even if I had a Note 3 - the screen would still be too small to use multi-window especially to point out details, and read a "price list". If I'm using an iPad as a reference such as "price list" - I would already naturally be on my iPhone for the conversation. I had never in my professional or personal life ever said, man I wish I can bring up an email (or something) while I'm on facetime, or while taking photos, or playing a game, iPad or iPhone.
3. There's probably not be chance to use multiwindows on Android for Video Chat and bring up PowerPoint for example as many apps do not support this behavior as I've been told - correct me if I'm wrong.
4. If I'm on Android, I would not be able to switch to video call from a regular call as I do on iPhone (and switch back) if I need to browse the internet and continue to talk. Actually I dont need to even switch to voice, just bring up another app and continue chatting.
Bottom line multiwindow does not make any phone more functionally able than iPhone. Can you list a real functionality in real life that would otherwise make my phone "half" as capable as yours?
27. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
Plus you don't have to worry about security.
I'm disadvising EVERY Android user from using IB apps.
50. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
"Plus you don't have to worry about security."
Because there is none. Just use Apple's backdoor APIs and it's all open.
The NSA had it exactly right when they deemed that iPhone users were nothing more than "iZombies".
57. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
What back door, you mean the little stunt some hacker pulled to catch a little fame? It's been disproved within a week. And you're holding on to that as if you cannot sleep knowing that Apple is actually pretty secure...
I read those articles, I also read many Android security articles and on both platforms I have not seen any of the horrible things they reveal on both platforms. I only seen my Android friend download a fake BBMessenger but doesnt look like it affeced his phone.
58. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
"What back door, you mean the little stunt some hacker pulled to catch a little fame?"
No, I mean the complete set of backdoor APIs that Apple admitted to that offer complete access to the iPhone.
44. gaara6775 (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 May 2014)
Send me a photo over a Bluetooth,will you?
Can you? You f***ing can't .
Instead, you will ask me to buy iPhone because your is**ep is so close minded that it can't send files to android or wp device.
What's the use of such device,which can't connect with other people.
Ish**p is isolated ecosystem. Good luck with that.
55. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
As opposed to sending it how? not everyone has NFC tap another phone thingy either... If I want to send something to u I can text it, email it, link you to my server... It's not our fault that you guys are stuck with inconvenient old tech of tapping phones or whatever u do. Apple figured out how to share photos with everyone in the room without getting up, tapping, turning on anything or asking you to turn on anything. You serve the image and anyone you allow can get it - how is that bad?
I would really be sad if I had to set up the phone just to send a phone - I'd end up what every android (and samsung) user does - text it.
51. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
" Everything on android feels like they got stuck in 2009: iOS 3-ish."
And iOS 7 feels like it is some pastel glam version of the 1990s world wide web.
Text links for buttons, for instance. Or "lightweight" lame UI that seems like it is made for PCs that ran at 90Mhz and had 32MB of RAM at the time.
iOS 7 really is a highly uncompelling experience unless you are cognitively challenged. Which would explain why iOS 7 adoption amongst the homeless is so high.
53. Ashoaib (Posts: 2713; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
you reminded me of myself two years back when I was an ifan and used to give countless useful features of iphone/ios...
well you cant just copy your data to any computer without having itunes, no sharing with other people bcoz bluetooth is just for showing that it has a bluetooth, no real time usage... no wifi direct.... cannot custom change ringtones on the go... no usb plug n play... cannot open or switch between different applications... bettery time is terrible as compared to many android devices...
with android I copy data to a flash drive directly from my phone, I share photos taken from my phone with my friends n family on the spot... I copy whatever I want to/from any computer without thinking that it has itunes or not... I send emails with number of attachments instead of sticking to just 5 and breaking into two/three emails.... I download the song whichever I like and directly choose it as my ring tone without thinking of its format... list goes on n on
56. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Um, I copy all my data without using itunes. I back up my entire phone without using itunes, I stream all my music wifi or 4G LTE from my harddrive without using itunes, I drop photos and videos to my phone without using itunes.
Cannot open or switch between different apps? really?
Battery is beyond great on my 5S, I also had no problems with my 3GS for 4.5 years (that's why I stayed with iPhone when time to buy the 5S). I actually heard many battery problems with Android phones as opposed to iPhones. I cannot prove any of this stuff to you, but I dont need to lie. I like my phone - it does a lot of things that no Android can. And I only sacrifice an easy mode for making custom ringtones. If an iPhone user really must have a special ringtone - it's not impossible, and it's not difficult - I was doing that with 3GS just for fun - dont care for it much - Apple included a huge library of ringtones and they all sound great.
So you copy data to flash drive, to share? You make it sound like I cannot copy photos and videos or other files directly to PC without itunes... um.. so do iOS users. iDevices show all files without itunes when plugged into a computer.
I dont email photos as it's cubersome - we airdrop them... I never had to email more then 2 or 3 photos, but I tried and I got to 13 photos and 2 videos until I got tired of adding files... It's much easier to set up a streaming folder and let everyone enjoy it like that... and you can also add and delete and allow others to do the same...
60. gmatthias973 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Aug 2014)
I have a simple task that i cant seem to do on an iphone or ipad...i like movies and music and i deplore itunes. A friend sends me a link to this great new app popcorn time which is quite amazing as it has all of my favorite tv shows and lots of movies and it supports chromecast so i can watch them on my tv. Problem is no IOS support, luckily for me I own both an Iphone and a note 3. No to my music point. I download free and clear non copy-written music on my computer via DJ's or Artists i know via their website etc. Problem again...can't download music from their sites on an iphone, once again my note 3 saves the day and i download music apps etc straight to my phone. I live on the road so my phone needs to a "Fully Functioning" media device. Once again i dont like Itunes...i prefer google play as i have about 12k songs and counting in my cloud and they don't nickel and dime me to do so. Last gripe i have with the iphone is that its too tiny...it has pretty much become a toy for my little cousins when they come over to play games on. I don't play games on my phone so i wont buy another one...but to each its own.
8. rahul.niks (Posts: 86; Member since: 31 Oct 2013)
With nexus 8 having double the specs and half the price, also with 64-bit and 4GB ram, i bet it won't be much slower(if slower)
10. nodes (Posts: 210; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)
does specs really matter if the real-world performance not up to the specs?
64-bit blah blah blah, if the app itself is not fully optimized yet, those "double specs" would go to the bin.
12. AlikMalix (Posts: 1708; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I play quite a few games that are optimized for 64bit now, and my fingerprint sensor is quick and accurate thanks to 64bit, my camera does awesome smooth slow motion videos thanks to 64bit. my OS and all that's featured is optimized to handle everything 64bit regardless if it's avalable now, or next year, or 3 years later - I can keep my phone and not worry if just in-case something comes out that requires 64bit in near future - my phone is ready....
17. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Assuming the final version of L won't be well optimized, which is pretty much impossible to say at this point. Even in it's preview stages, L is already shaping up to be an incredibly optimized OS, in terms of battery life and performance. Now that ART and 64 bit are coming standard in L, performance on Android will be better than ever. Even if developers don't optimize for 64 bit right away, the Tegra K1 is still a beastly SoC on it's own and will take on any game or app on the Play Store with ease. Then there's also the extreme battery savings that will only get better as L matures into the final version. On the preview, people are already seeing a 30% increase in battery life.
L is the most well designed and optimized version of Android yet. And since this is the first Android update that's been given a preview before the official release, manufacturers have been able to work on their own versions of it ahead of time, which will make for quick updates, even on skinned devices. L makes 2014 the best year for Android yet, and I can't wait to get it.
24. medicci37 (Posts: 953; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
Idk about art yet. I've already switched to art but haven't noticed any performance gains
29. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
In the current version of ART, it's very slight, because it's a beta version. That's why the option to turn it on is buried in the developer settings and Dalvik was still the default runtime. But in L it's fully developed, and Dalvik is no longer an option. With the finished version of ART in L, Google claims 3 times the speed compared to Dalvik in KitKat, and Google's claims so far have actually been outdone. Google only claimed a 15-20% increase in battery life from Project Volta, but in the preview of L people are reporting 30%. So that 3x speed Google has set for ART doesn't seem to be that out of reach.
49. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
L is my daily driver.
In other words.. +1
20. Taters (Posts: 4264; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Um no it won't. My Nexus 5 and HTC One etc beat my 5s in just about every speed test so I doubt the new ipad will be beating this in anything.
Unless of course HTC screws this up somehow like they usually do.
39. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
It's not very sure HTC will make this one. Do not trust the menial tech media much.
HTC have contract with Apple, so better make the next iPad.
52. alrightihatepickingusernames (Posts: 471; Member since: 29 Dec 2013)
iOS is faster but Android isn't at all slow. Your half-a-second faster loading times don't add up to much.
5. DONUT (Posts: 342; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)
seems great on paper, if executed properly (which i have faith it will be, since HTC is making it) it will be a great competitor for the Tab S 8.4.
side note: i bought the Tab S 8.4 just last Sunday and i love every bit of it, especially that gorgeous screen. it is the best android tablet on the market without doubt, definitely worth the $$
15. GreekGeek (Posts: 910; Member since: 22 Mar 2014)
I hope the Tegra K1 gets design wins on future tablets just to give Qualcomm and Intel a Lil bit of competition.
as much as I want them to make it on smartphones, i think its impossible at this point in time.
Specially Qualcomm, they've been slacking lately.
25. aLEN_006 (Posts: 5; Member since: 22 Jul 2014)
I wouldn't call them a competition. I would say that this is a domination of Qualcomm with over 65% market share.
16. Suo.Eno (Posts: 372; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)
If nex6 Shamu is real and also aarch64 ready then there's no case for this at least for me, the only reason why I'd carry around a 5.9" device are precisely to avoid having to own a larger screened tablet like this one. That being said, for this rumor material spec sheet it ain't half bad save for I'm still on the fence about Tegra's code side of things unless nVIDIA proves otherwise. Good day for HTC fans nevertheless..
34. Commentator (Posts: 2791; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Same here. A Nexus phablet would be a silver-bullet for me.
21. imkyle (Posts: 1043; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
4GB of ram? No way. Nvidia's new Shield Tablet only has 2GB. Maybe the new Nexus tablet will have 3GB max.
32. na7noo7 (Posts: 278; Member since: 29 Mar 2014)
Project Tango dev kit is powered by Tegra K1, and it has 4GB of RAM.
23. newbey123 (Posts: 518; Member since: 19 Mar 2012)
YES! Finally, been waiting to get a tablet and wanted a Nexus, but wanted to wait until Google went back to HTC so that I could get a quality tablet. Hurry up and put this out and take my money!! :-D
40. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
43. gaara6775 (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 May 2014)
Only HTC is with quality. At least they make better design each year .
28. Adrian38 (Posts: 140; Member since: 05 Nov 2012)
This tablet will definitely be north of $400
30. zinger69 (Posts: 61; Member since: 13 Feb 2014)
I hope HTC doesn't charge an arm and a leg for it. The beauty of the Nexus devices is the balance of performance and cost.
31. joey_sfb (Posts: 4081; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
True beauty of nexus is being cost effective and direct Google support.
33. Commentator (Posts: 2791; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Hoping Moto's Shamu has the same specs in a 5.9 inch body.
46. saiki4116 (Posts: 374; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)
Now the Question to be asked, what will we be able to do(productivity) with a Tablet having 4GB RAM and High resolution and processing power..?
Tablets are consumption devices, do they need that much Hardware muscle..?
48. jack123 (Posts: 149; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)
if the price between 300 to 400 $ it would be good, but if more than than i may go for nvidia shield instead.