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HTC vs Samsung: Why HTC is losing the fight big time

0. phoneArena 09 Aug 2012, 05:48 posted on

Up until recently, HTC meant much more than it means now in the Android universe. It was a big factor. HTC's smartphones stood for quality, reliability and experience that are unmatched by any other Android manufacturer...

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posted on 09 Aug 2012, 05:55 26

1. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


"Everyone who has actually held both handsets in their hands will tell you that the HTC feels way better."
i wont.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:17 22

11. MeoCao (unregistered)


I agree, I like the GS3 streamlined shape more than 1X, the phone doesn't catch dirt as 1X and it excites me more too b-c it's very different from all other phones while 1X is nice but looks very familiar to older HTC phones. SGS3 is beautiful!

The thing I like about 1X more is the screen and that's all but GS3 screen is nearly as good.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 19:03 13

136. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


I have the S3...and i can safely say...it feels like a brittle piece of plastic. It doesn't even feel like a poly-carbonate device.
Talking about streamlined? the S3 is flat on the front and back, and i find it very uncomfortable (and slippery) to hold it without a case.
I know its your opinion to dislike the One X, but majority of people will say the One X looks and feels better.
The only reason i got the S3 was because it had a micro SD card slot, if it wasn't for that I would not have even looked at the S3.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:23 12

12. MeoCao (unregistered)


I read an very good article on Pocket Now about HTC and I agreed. HTC tries too hard to please the carriers at the expense of the users.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 11:47 1

118. Phullofphil (Posts: 798; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


I have always liked HTC phones as far as the phone design is conserned. I never got one for my self for two reasons. 1:Battery life has always sucked for how i use the device, Motorola has always done me good there and samsung has always been in the middle for how i use it. 2:I dont like how much they change the design of android, I am not fond of my samsung touchwiz on my gs3 either but the HTC just does to much to somthing that really isnot broken and at stock is a great operating system. Motorola i think is the best one only because there blur stuff is really light and does not take to much away from android. I think my galaxy nexus when i installed a jelly bean rom has a better user expierence then my sg3 for the most part and i would be just fine if i still used it and never got the sg3. I do love my sg3 but especially with the locked boot loader its hard to do what i want to it. Thats where i like the fact that HTC is really good about unlocking boot loaders.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:45 5

42. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


11 people disliked my opinion (just an opinion) because they don't wanna hear smth against what they like?

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:58 5

47. MeoCao (unregistered)


Haha, I prefer people disliking my post to them ignoring it.

You have 17 reactions so this is a good post.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 11:40 3

116. Phullofphil (Posts: 798; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


if you beleve in what your writing then who realy cares about what other peopl think. Its going to happen. Alot of people were disapointed how the sg3 looks and then theres always the super fans of any device or the haters that will always defend even if ther wrong. I am not saying this is you but if all you care is to have everybody like your opinion than whats the point of having one. Because most likely it not going to be from the heart and will be a misrepenstation of who you are

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 12:53 2

125. MeoCao (unregistered)


Of course I care about how people perceive my posts, but this does not mean I do not say what I think. You have to write what you think but it must add value to the conversation.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 20:56 2

137. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


no its to show they do not agree… is that not obvious?

and i thumbed you down because i disagree.. the one x is extremely pleasing to the eye and feels like a more premium device than the SIII to me

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 22:24

138. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)


ill never understand the whole "premium" thing to me. I think its nothing more than marketing and a head trip.

How does it do in a drop test?
how scratch resistant is it both on screen and body?
How much power does it have?
How good is the experience?
How pretty is that screen?
How is the battery life?

Those are measures of "premium". This whole "tin vs plastic" nonsense is just that.. nonsense. Your talking about a material that costs either 0.3 cents a yard or 0.5 cents a yard. neither are "premium".

posted on 10 Aug 2012, 01:51

142. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


its more of a feel than an actual on paper comparison… the one x is extremely good looking, unlike the s3, and the plastic it uses, although still plastic, looks and feels much better than the s3… yes, they might both be plastic, but there is a certain amount of real-world application involved

and the article is right… sense on my one x makes me want to scream sometimes… i mean it got rid of one of androids best features-- multitasking

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:38 21

60. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


I have held both and I will say it over and over and over again---
the HTC One X feels way better than the pebble-inspired Galaxy S 3.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:56 9

68. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


I agree with you

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 10:19 5

100. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


I still love holding my One X, but I got to say, SGS3 felt pretty nice in hand.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 11:36 4

115. jaytai0106 (Posts: 826; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


I agree! I love holding my One X. The SGS3 just looks a little odd to me, but I do love its performance. HTC def. ignored what majority of people want from a phone: battery life and smoothness of its UI. 1800mA isn't enough, and they really should have overlook at the success of Razr Maxx. Who really cares about the phone is 5mm thicker, but people will notice the phone can actually last whole 2 days. On top of that, its beautiful UI, sense 4, is still too heavy for the device (I really hope 4.1 will be a lot better), I really hate when I exit out of an app and seeing the loading screen... WTF!? They never bother to test their device before release to the public? That is not acceptable. Never thought of the situation that someone might have to dial 911 and have to wait about 10 second for the phone to load its UI. On top of all that, they completely destroyed the Android's best friend, multitasking. I really can't take the fact that if I'm reading stuff on the browser and switch to text my friend, and switching back will require me to reload the page? Really, HTC.... Took out the best feature of Android OS and still can't make sure your UI is smooth 100% of time... Please do something different to rise again. Sticking to what used to work isn't working for you anymore.

I still love my One X though, but just have bones to pick with it.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:53

181. bbdol (Posts: 15; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


I bet you would feel even better in my hands. ;)

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 12:19 6

121. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


They have it all wrong, there is no problem with user experience of the handset. It the lack of NO REMOVABLE BATTERY!!! That's was people turn off by HTC new line up. Hence the reason SGSIII kicking butt. I'll take SGSIII Please!

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 23:22 6

140. RomeoJDR (Posts: 237; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)


Guess that's why nobody buys Apple's products.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 15:14 3

132. bigdawg23 (Posts: 307; Member since: 25 May 2011)


Feel isnt the biggest thing to me. It is function and operation. I used to really like HTC phones. However, after a horrible experience with a Vivid, my chances of going back are slim. When it comes to function, I prefer the SGS2, SGS2SR and Galaxy Note.

AT&T was very generous to offer me any phone to get out of my VIvid, including the SGS3. However, I took the Galaxy Note.

Now from the modifying aspect, Samsung hands down. It takes no time for me to root and rom my Samsung phones. My HTC Vivid was a pain to get the same option. Personally I am beginning to like Touchwiz more than HTC Sense.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 17:40 2

135. RomeoJDR (Posts: 237; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)


maybe not everyone, but but you'll be hard pressed to find someone not owning an SIII ora Samsung loyalist saying otherwise. The SIII is currently the best phone, but the casing looks and feels too cheap to be housing the premium components held within.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 22:27 1

139. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2871; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Agreed. I have held the One X and the SGS3. While sure the One X feels more solid, when it comes to feeling comfortable, that's a WHOLE different story. I'm not saying it feels horrible in your hand. But thanks to the nice curved edges and plastic, the SGS3 feels way smaller than it actually is. Plus with the power button the side(instead of being on top), it makes using your phone much more comfortable as well. Devices are getting bigger and taller but our hands are not.

Samsung is doing a great job of making their customer's happy and dare I say...making a fan base around them as well.

It's ironic that the first real phone I had was the Samsung Glyde on Verizon. I HATED IT, I HATED IT, OH MY GOD I HATED IT!!!!!

Thought I would never use another Samsung phone again. That remained true up until the first Galaxy S device came out and from there, Samsung has been doing an amazing job.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 05:56 6

2. bohdan4ik13 (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


LG have big problems too

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:15 1

10. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


actually, every single company now have big problems. Even samsung, which is the market leader have a big problem(apple suing samsung). It's a matter of how you learn from the mistakes you've made at use it to humbly redo your strategies and be strong again.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:07 1

49. PhoneLuver (Posts: 460; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)


The biggest disappointment was the fact that the One X only had an 8MP camera! It may sound a little stupid, but the first thing many people ask is what camera does it have, then what processor, and then what screen resolution.

They should have set the trend with 12MP cameras.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:25 6

55. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5282; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Apple suing Sammy is more of an annoyance. Apple was suing Sammy the entire time that Sammy was putting up a record-setting quarterly sales and profit result.

I would add one item for HTC to fix - get consistency in your phones across carriers. Sammy has released the GS III across all 4 carriers in the U.S. and it is basically the same phone for each carrier. HTC has the One for AT&T and T-Mo, the EVO 4G LTE for Sprint, and what - the Rezound (not quite, but that points out another problem) for VZW? Personally, I would have done the EVO 4G LTE for all 4 carriers.

And then there is the matter of the user experience the article mentioned. Maybe go to vanilla JB and offer an alternative to the G-Nexus (with maybe 2 Gb of RAM)?

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:42 2

61. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


I agree with creating a vanilla Android choice BUT---

Is 2 GB of RAM even needed with vanilla Android? The reason why the Samsung Galaxy S 3 had 2 GB of RAM in other markets is because its built-in apps, S-voice for instance, were very RAM-heavy. But vanilla Android doesn't seem to suffer from the same, does it?

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 09:11 3

78. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5282; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


2 Gb of RAM is about future-proofing the handset. Right now, JB seems to run fine with 1 Gb. But who knows with the next release after JB?

I suspect that by next year, all high end Android handsets will ship with 2 Gb. Personally, I would prefer a handset with some future-proofing, given the 2 year contract terms in the U.S.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 10:27 1

104. nabilsalahat057 (Posts: 1; Member since: 05 Jun 2011)


i agree withe you ,htc is the best of the best is smoothe nice .all time i kiss it i like it much.finally nice looking like you

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 10:20

101. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


AMEN!

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:47

24. pkiran1996 (Posts: 160; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)


Lol I've not heard anyone mention LG in a long time

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:02 2

31. Mittal (Posts: 426; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


yup! I dont see any other company than Apple and Samsung to be having a gala time in the smartphone scene currently!(Not talking of quality of the devices here)
I wonder if i am wrong to say that Moto and LG are having a tougher time than HTC at the global level ryt now.
PA you should do similar articles for LG, SONY, MOTOROLA also!

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:43 4

62. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


But choose a different writer. Someone who would bother to do proper in-depth research. Because, seriously, if I wrote a half-hearted uninformed article like this, I would probably question where my heart is.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 09:28 1

84. ryq24 (Posts: 442; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


yup! you know you have a problem when everyone is talking about iphone or samsung or htc or even nokia or blackberry or sony but no one seems to even mention anything about lg.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 05:59 4

3. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)


I had no idea......HTC is the third company I'd go to after Sony and Moto....the htc one s is actually the phone I'd been thinking about getting for a while now....Sad to hear that....Hope sony can help them out in some way

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:44 1

63. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


I hope HTC and Sony team up to produce one hell of a superphone for 2012.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:00 8

4. yowanvista (Posts: 275; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


Obviously since their products are plagued with various issues like the Multitasking Bug (HTC calls it a 'feature'), design flaws, WiFi issues and their recent update 4.0.4 that disables root. Not to mention their horrible Sense UI and the fact that their flagship device has no removal storage.. Way to go HTC..

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:41 2

17. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


Do your think the regular consumers . The one that keep the companies alive , care about all these ? Most android phones consumers don't even know what's root

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:06 4

32. Mittal (Posts: 426; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


yes, but why disable root!

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:48 2

64. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


ALL updates have the strong possibility to disable root. Do you even know what you're talking about? ALL. That's why if you want to keep your root on a stock ROM and a update pops up, you highly consider waiting for word on developers if root is possible the old way if a new one has to be done.

As far as I know, all devices on rooted stock ROM that are updated will have to re-root. And I know what I'm talking about because I've rooted my ChaCha way back in February.

So let me ask you this--- do you know what you're complaining about?

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 09:28 1

83. iliketech (Posts: 52; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)


Yea, i like that... ha
I agree whole heartily...
you update using a HTC update you have to re-root...
makes sense, no pun intended...

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:53

65. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Also, it's not that hard to root something if you know how to do it. :)

The fact is I think your problem is that the update caused your bootloader to re-lock and your root to be nulled.

All updates to the device does that, sunshine. You have to unlock the bootloader again and re-root. Please do get yourself informed before complaining. You have to know the system--- you have to know how to things work.

Because you can't demand the whole world to make it convenient for you especially when it's YOU who chose to update your rooted stock ROM.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 09:31 1

85. iliketech (Posts: 52; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)


Hey, i agree again...
All updates (from HTC or prob. AT&T) WILL cause user to re-apply customization's.... period... kinda like when people flashed the DirectTV cards and then they/DirectTV sent out a update over the air, then everybody that had 3rd party update had to re-program their card...
think about it...

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:40 1

40. Nokia-Arte (banned) (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


I own one and it use to lag, sense was ram hog take's up 80mbeki
of ram, running I'm, Skype, System Update, Dolphin, System Tuner Pro,
and 5 other apps, there was only 270Mb ram left, when browsing
opening 2 tabs ram use to drop to 100mb and it lags. After rooting
this it was much better smooth, overclocking it to 1.9ghz.....

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:55

66. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


What device did you own? I've owned four HTCs. The only one I had to unlock bootloader and root to satisfy me was the ChaCha because it had low internal memory.

No--- it didn't lag. Nor did my Desire HD, HTC Sensation XE, or my One X.

The problem with the ChaCha was the low internal memory (150 MB user-available) and, being app crazy as I am, I couldn't install as many apps as I wanted.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:18 1

53. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)


i had 2 updates on sgs3 and both disabled my root, so i had to root my phone 3 times
it is classic

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 08:56 3

67. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


It's just the way phones work. It's the system. The manufacturers issue updates for non-rooted phones. Rooting is easy enough if you know how to do it anyway.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:00 2

5. loken (Posts: 462; Member since: 09 May 2012)


Because they promise updates and then they say
"We rather not delete your data for your phone to update"
and there goes Desire HD..
I like Htc i really do i like sense .. but !! learn from sony for updating
just wait , htc one x wont get 4.3...

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 09:00

69. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


I will explain something to you.

Deleting user-data for the phone to update to a heavy ROM PLUS partition issues made the Desire HD un-upgradeable to ICS. HTC figured out that that isn't the way users expect updates from them. I have updated my 4 HTC phones for the last two years over and over again and have never lost any data.

Now--- doing that... That's similar to just flashing an ICS ROM to the Desire HD, isn't it? And since the update will happen over-the-air (OTA), they can't possibly promise users a solid, bug-free experience.

Seriously... It amazes me how dense people get.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 10:25 1

103. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Even so, HTC should release RUU to the dev communities. People should have a choice as to what they want to do on their device when it comes to upgrading.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:02 9

6. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


Problems of HTC? Brand recognition (to many flagship phones with ridiculous name while Samsung has only 3 flagship classes: Galaxy S, Note and Nexus), marketing problem. About OX, the lack of micro-SD card slot and removable battery (accompany with not very good battery usage) are two main issues, not only from HTC Sense (In fact a lot of people love it)

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 06:55 4

29. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


I love sense

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:08 2

33. Mittal (Posts: 426; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


even i do!
The HTC Salsa has hardly done well commercially, but even at 800Mz, it is very smooth and seems well optimized!
Sense looks and feels gr8!

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:38

39. mrbtree98 (Posts: 50; Member since: 04 Aug 2012)


the htc chacha is also very very smooth.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 07:56 1

46. Nokia-Arte (banned) (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


And there Ram hungry.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 09:01 2

71. ladyhaly (Posts: 106; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


I love Sense too. It's the only reason why I keep going back to HTC. I've looked into Samsungs, Sonys, LGs, and even Motos.... and I just can't forget Sense. That's how convenient it is.

Even the guy from Smartphonepedia left his S3 in favor of the One X.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 09:42 2

86. iliketech (Posts: 52; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)


I got rid of my One x because I couldn't navigate between apps smoothly... when at a web page and going to contacts app and back it would put me somewhere else previous to where I was (for example at a log in page)... I couldn't stand the Onex after using it for about a month, I sold it... It handled app navigation like the old Apple iphone... that was the knock against Apple back then and why Android phones had the advantage... Well, the One x brought me back to that stage, that I didn't want to go... Hello Samsung Note, and Nexus...
AND,
and the One x power button is not even/level, it is kinda like a curved edge making it Way Harder to push on/off especially with a case on phone - which I always use... So, I had to kinda wrap my hand around the phone to power it on/off... what a pain.!

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 10:28

105. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Made me curious, what kind of case were you using on the phone. I think on/off on the phone was very manageable already, and didn't even make a difference after I put on my seidio case.

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 11:22

112. SherlockHolmes (Posts: 125; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


Then please change your Profile Pic to Samsung !!

posted on 09 Aug 2012, 12:32

123. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


Agree with hung2900: "lack of micro-SD card slot and removable battery (accompany with not very good battery usage) are two main issues, not only from HTC Sense (In fact a lot of people love it)"

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