HTC sues Apple using nine patents received from Google
0. phoneArena 07 Sep 2011, 17:49 posted on
Nine patents that started life at Motorola, Palm and Openwave Systems and recently belonged to Google, were transferred to HTC on September 1st which allows the Taiwan based firm to fight back against Apple with another law suit...
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1. Penny (Posts: 1550; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Awesomeness. I must be dreaming - quick, somebody pinch me.
3. Yeeee (Posts: 190; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
Yeeee Buddy! Good job google helping out YOUR manufacturers using the Motorola purhase
28. christianqwerty (Posts: 467; Member since: 05 May 2011)
Everyone acts like apple is the most hated now, but honestly, i asked my family (all iphone users) did you know that apple is suing samsung/htc/ ect, and they just asked me what htc was, and they didnt know what was going on. I dont really care about htc/pantech/lg. i only care about Samsung and Apple, no matter what, they are the best in my eyes!
30. busa03 (unregistered)
It shows you never have owned an htc.
35. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
Haha well good for your stupid family :)
43. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Yeah, but you know what? If ever I describe the facts of the case to people, they generally agree that Apple is being a group of douches over the lawsuits.
I mean, apart from their forced payment to Nokia, when have you ever heard of them paying royalties to anyone for any patents other companies hold?
52. ilia1986 (unregistered)
christianqwerty if you family lives - or had lived in Europe - and supposedly wanted to buy a Tablet which looks the best to the average person and from a very known brand - they would have known what's going on with the lawsuits - as they would have been unable to purchase the Samsung Galaxy Tab.
2. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Can you say stupid?? What crack was the executives at HTC smoking? Google's android is under attack by Oracle (after acquiring Sun's Java) and HTC decides to go to bed with Google.
This is going to end very badly for everyone, except the lawyers.
5. Yeeee (Posts: 190; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
hey hey hey they are asian so we can assume that they are smart and know what they are doing
8. jroc74 (Posts: 5643; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Since there is no outcome for the case yet....how are they stupid? For all we know Oracle might not win.
Remember once upon a time there was an Apple case where they just knew they had Samsung nailed suing over 10 patents...
Turned only 1 was legit and that didnt even necessarily involve Samsung.
49. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"For all we know Oracle might not win."
Such an outcome isn't in the cards thus far. Google's attorneys thought they could invalidate the Sun patents, but only 1 was invalidated. The rest are still valid. There will be a trial in October, unless Google cuts a deal to settle. Maybe Google might win something on appeal to further whittle down what the ultimate damage amount will be. But getting off scott free? Doubtful.
37. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
You do know HTC was well known before people knew what an iPod was right? and a lot of mobile patents belong to htc
6. gallitoking (Posts: 4717; Member since: 17 May 2011)
HTC wants to play ball with the big bad wolf.... ok ... HTC got next
7. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
GO REBEL ALLIANCE! WHIP THAT BIG, MEAN EMPIRE! >:D
10. gallitoking (Posts: 4717; Member since: 17 May 2011)
i thumb you up... just because it was funny... but I am the enemy..
33. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
"but i am the enemy"
really dude? lol.. ITS A PHONE ..
a phone YOU DONT ACTUALLY OWN.
11. cncrim (Posts: 660; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
Apple start this dumb f*cking game, yeap Google help fight back. Wondering what happen if Iphone get ban around all continents.
I think this got to be stop, but GO GO ANDROID time to be on the offensive.
12. messiah (Posts: 434; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)
I agree with Ivan ..... apple is so busy simply distracting other manufacturer, regardless if they have a case or not, that it stalls progress on the other companies. Great strategy of a hitleresk regime.
13. Atrix 4g (unregistered)
And this is why motorola let google buy them (probably some other reasons), but google is now taking android to the offensive against Apple. Now that google shares all does patents with motorola, they are going to give them a few important patents to every mayor android manufacturer, to start suing apple then google is going to step it up them selfs take all the big pantents from motorola and the ones that originated from them and use it against apple, to calm them down.
14. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Why is iCloud Communication drop lawsuits against Apple iCloud and than renamed itself?????
42. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Oh man my fandroid brothers are so clever. Homosexual references on phone blogs = instantly clever.
44. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I didn't see you complaining when Gemini used homophobic slurs himself.
16. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 451; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)
Well the tables have turned on the evil empire
17. darkvader (unregistered)
You guys don't get the picture. When its all said and done who controls Nokia will be the winner. So in that case Microsoft has the upper hand in the end. And guess what Apple and Microsoft are mutual friends for the minute and that means Google is the biggest loser.
22. sinple (unregistered)
well, nokia was the one who managed to got 430million euro from apple. Maybe the fall of iOS outweights the importance of the mutual relationship.
32. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
You honestly believe micro will keep thier little "friendship" with apple if they have a chance a the top spot....you need a reality check on how big business works
19. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Htc has a right to protect their intellectual property i dont blame them for suing. I am interested in knowing what their patents are. This sucks for me though as i love htc/apple products.
20. theBankRobber (unregistered)
How is Google the biggest loser, they are only doing what Apple started doing to them. Apple is trying to ban every manufacture that makes android devices from being sold in the USA and other countries. Google has every right to protect themselves, just like how Apple teamed up with microsft and rim and got the patients to screw over Google, so why not buy Motorola and use those patients to protect the Android platform.
21. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Remember seeing their new IOS 5 it have a notification bar? COPY CAT right off from Android OS with it's7 page zoom
24. krysis (Posts: 76; Member since: 14 Dec 2009)
hopefully the courts will just get tired of all this and something will be done to the patent system, because this is getting really ridiculous.
38. cncrim (Posts: 660; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
I don't like to see any product get ban, it is way too harsh, on other hand Apple is the one start it. And I just like to see Apple taste of what they had created. Then at the end Apple learn not to crazy that one day the same game come back and bite them, end of all all company seat down and work with every other company to make better product.
To me, if a copycate is personate what you are doing then sue them for the damage plus $ on each device its sold.
59. krysis (Posts: 76; Member since: 14 Dec 2009)
it's just silly. i mean what would happen if car manufacturers all started suing each other because the other vehicle sits on 4 wheels and has a steering wheel and comes with a horn? your car has a moon roof? patent infringement!
27. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
KARMA'S A BIATCH!!!!
Apple finally get what's coming for em!!
atta boy HTC!!
tho i haven't bought and product from you since the OG Desire, I still love you!
31. Penny (Posts: 1550; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I agree with all of you saying that this is a ridiculous continuation of the current patent wars, but come on...you know it is satisfying to watch somebody fight back against Apple.
34. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you reap what you sew, apple.. remember that.
I will die laughing if HTC wins and Apple has to pay royalties to HTC after all this crap. Because you know then HTC will sell rights of these patents over to samsung and the rest and they will all start milking Apple (not sure if its legal, but if it is.. oh the irony).
36. Mike S (unregistered)
What goes around comes around for Apple.
Apple better be ready for onslaught of lawsuits coming its way.
40. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Hahahaha, android fanboys act like htc already won, hahahaha. What a bunch of clowns :)
48. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Gemini, didn't you say a while back that you were going to cut the bulls**t and stop being an antagonistic s**t toward us? Could you maybe stick to that mindset?
41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
And the fandroids rejoice. Take note andrones. I don't hate htc or think they're the most evil company in the world. This is part of business and if htc thinks they have a case they should sue.
Also fanboys that are saying Apple is the only one suing. Do you realize Nokia and Motorola sued Apple before any of these android related lawsuits?
45. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
What we get annoyed about, Taco (note: this is about the fiftieth time we've explained this to you) is that Apple has a history of suing the bejeezus out of everyone else for making any product, icon, or name remotely similar to any of their products or services while flatly refusing to pay a penny of royalties to any other company for the patents they apparently violate. And considering that Motorola and Nokia are original players in the cell phone market, there are a ton of patents they hold that Apple probably violated with the iPhone.
It's a blatantly hypocritical stance, and quite honestly, the patents Apple sues over generally appear quite petty and inane compared to the patents all the other companies are pulling up and bringing to bear against Apple.
Why after all this time do you still refuse to get this?
50. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
And heres where you're a hypocrite. When Apple gets sued it's legitimate, but when Apple sues it's petty. Apple seems to be doing pretty well with their lawsuits so far so I'd say they have ground to stand on.
56. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Apple's lawsuits so far have not resulted in a single financial reward, and the patents they've actually made headway with are so simple to circumvent that all the headway they HAVE gained will be lost almost immediately.
Here's the problem, Taco: Apple is suing over bulls**t like icon appearance and general usage of gestures. Motorola and Nokia are suing over things like the HARDWARE THAT ALLOWS THE IPHONE TO PLACE CALLS. And while Moto may have sued Apple first, their lawsuits came after they claimed Apple absolutely REFUSED to pay them a dime for violating their patents.
If Apple has legitimate patents, fine, whatever, let 'em sue. But for them to go crazy with lawsuits like they have while refusing to pay anything to anyone else for all the hard work THEY'VE done is what I have an actual problem with.
61. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
apple sues over similar looks.. which arent patented. Apple gets sued over patents which are a lot more serious than "waaaah, samsung is using the same color red in an icon as me!!"
63. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Design is very serious. You cant steal the look of a phone. Apple is a very design based company and are very protective of their designs. Its part of what makes a iphone special. Its so good looking.
Really sniggly apple cant make calls now because other companies did it first. Thats like saying other phones cant have a touchscreen. Its insane.
65. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
the iPhone doesn't really have any real signature touches other than the obvious things like the home button and the Apple Logo. it's really just a black case that holds everything it needs to work within it's defined parameters.
67. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
From its shape to its materials to its edges to its ui its stunning how good looking it is.
Its not about the icon color but look at the galaxy app drawer same layout as the iphone home page and the same bottom button. Come on.
69. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
you can't sue for materials or shape. as far as the look of the UI Samsung is kind of pushing it but they've BEEN pushing it. the only reason Apple cares is because Samsung is becoming more and more successful.
66. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
When it's a minor design cue, like the color of an icon, it's pretty petty.
And I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't be allowed to make a cell phone. Just that if they're going to do it based on tech that other companies have spent billions of dollars in R&D to develop they shouldn't expect to sidestep any royalty payments while suing everyone else and their brother.
68. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
What about the cost apple spend on the touchscreenn technology they developed so they should sue for others using a touchscreen right? They did devolp a whole new kind of touchscreen.
46. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
of course you're not going to speak against HTC's reaction to Apple. you know we'd jump so far down your throat reminding you of all the di** moves Apple made that it wouldn't even be worth it.
Apple didn't come out lawsuits loaded until everybody and their moms were in Apple's eyes infringing for years. if Apple really cared then they could have nipped it all in the bud years ago but they didn't, they chose now. why now you wonder? because genuine threats to Apple's success are arising. even an idiot like you should be able to project Google and their partners overtaking Apple within the next couple of years at their rate of progression.
Apple is like a teenage girl. she sees a girl try to copy her and she just thinks it's cute until it starts making her cooler than herself, then she starts bitching.
51. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Actually you're wrong. Watch Steve Jobs announce the original iPhone. He mentions how Apple has patented the heck out of it and they plan to protect it.
Comparing a corporation to a teenage girl shows how warped and out of touch with reality your thinking is.
Btw Do you really think I care about fandroid reactions and if they'd jump down my throat?
53. ilia1986 (unregistered)
You clearly didn't even watch that, Taco. Which is surprising actually.
SJ says they patented MULTI-TOUCH - Not the whole of the iPhone. Wrong. Again.
And just so you know - afaik - that patent was granted to them by mistake - since multi-touch apparently existed way before the iPhone.
55. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
oh did he? when i remember the original Galaxy Tab that came out well after your original iPhone announcement Apple didn't really seem like they were in a big rush to protect themselves from what the Tab represented to their company when it was announced and that was really just a thorn in their side at the most and now i see reports of the unveiling of "similar" products like the new 7.7" Galaxy Tab being crashed by Apple's injunctions. what's the difference between the two? well one is vastly superior to the other. guess which one is causing this aggressive behavior all of a sudden. if they were serious years ago they might have pulled it off.
it's what comes to mind when i see how Apple competes in this space.
then why try to convince us you don't care when you clearly do? judging from how fast you point a finger at something you think is dirty i don't think you'd act so differently from us if the roles were reversed. if it's one thing you don't come off as taco is detached.