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HTC reports continued sales declines, One X underperforming

0. phoneArena 06 Jun 2012, 14:21 posted on

HTC, the Taiwanese manufacturer that seemed like it was doing everything right last year by posting up 6 consecutive months of record revenue in 2011, seems to have entered a bit of a funk...

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posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:23 8

1. droid4all (Posts: 16; Member since: 13 Feb 2011)


I wonder could it have to do with everyone I have ever asked about HTC has said "they hate their Sense UI. Maybe people are just starting to go with other models (Samsung, Motorola, etc...) to get away from HTC Sense.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:27 11

2. wsucoug13 (Posts: 164; Member since: 04 May 2012)


I have a HTC and I want a Samsung.. I think your right

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:46 10

9. HTCOE (Posts: 315; Member since: 20 Nov 2011)


if the galaxy s3 looked like the nexus but had the sgs3 specs id get it but i think the sgs3 is somewhat uninteresting in my opinion tho

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:12 5

28. Synack (Posts: 641; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


HTC is just not up to par with Samsung. Not to mention Samsung's marketing is starting to become amazing. And everyone knows Sense blows and HTC's all have terrible battery life and crap software AND hardware. HTC is getting better, just not at a rate to compete.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 21:27

69. Jonathan41 (Posts: 526; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


What are you saying Synack? You must be on bath salts.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 22:12 1

73. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


that joke didnt even make sense.

he does have a point though. when you compare battery and other things, HTC is notoriously lagging. The fact that HTC is notorious for poor battery life in comparison, and then locking down a small battery inside the device doesnt make a lot of people happy.

posted on 07 Jun 2012, 19:38

90. Jonathan41 (Posts: 526; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


It does. Bath salt make you do nonsensical things like typing a comment says all HTC's have "crap hardware and software" and are "not (improving) at a rate to compete". That's a load of crap.

Battery life can be improved but, thats not all that was said in comment 28. HTC is still one of the top smartphone companies in todays market and that shouldn't be forgotten because of a slump in sales.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 17:22 2

38. deeoh1084 (Posts: 48; Member since: 30 Dec 2009)


same here i have sensation 4G and i hate it!! my brother has SGS II and it feels much much better than my sensation as far as everything (of course they are both rooted and installed with custom roms) that's why i'm going with SGS III this time and the fact that HTC One S or X doesn't have a removable battery & no sd card slot turned me down big time and to be honest i personally think HTC's design doesn't amaze me anymore like they use to....

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 20:19

57. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


"HTC's design doesn't amaze me anymore like they use to...."

Heh. Heh. HTC Amaze. Heh. *shot*

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 18:31 4

50. strikercho (Posts: 132; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


You have an HTC and you want a Samsung?? - There is an old saying, you know: ''from bad to worse''. :)

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 21:20 1

66. Jonathan41 (Posts: 526; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


Why do you want a Samsung? What HTC do you have?

posted on 07 Jun 2012, 04:00

82. shy2papa (Posts: 195; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)


Its Not HTC sense thats the problem but HTC management and head of manufacturing or design, HTC went two steps back with the X one by not including a removable and Bigger battery at least 2500mah, No sd card slot, only 1gig of ram, single led flash instead of the usual Dual led flash, and no camera button.

this in my opinion makes more sense why HTC sells not doing good

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:08 4

13. JGuinan007 (Posts: 605; Member since: 19 May 2011)


What are you talking about HTC Sense UI is the best UI out there (granted it can be a resource hog but HTC is trimming the fat on the latest versions). My last 2 phones were HTC the only reason I went with Samsung was because of the bigger better display, battery life, and better processor. I miss the Sense UI alot, Touchwiz isn't nearly as good as Sense UI or look as good either. Bottom line HTC has best software, and Samsung has best hardware. I would love to see Google use HTC software and Samsung hardware in a Nexus Phone.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:49 6

20. sgogeta4 (Posts: 390; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)


The new TouchWiz is much better than Sense IMO.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:00 2

23. taz89 (Posts: 1944; Member since: 03 May 2011)


new sense is still resource hog compared to touch wiz...which is better is debatable but which one is more efficient on the ram is not...its why htc had to change the multi tasking on the one x to kill apps faster than usual just so there is enough ram for sense to run

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:37 2

34. SleepingOz (Posts: 2474; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)


Totally!
Sense looks great but that's all..

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:36 1

33. ph00ny (Posts: 565; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Um you're talking about a single aspect of these manufacturer software addons

In terms of actually optimizing the software (UI fluidity, browser optimization), Samsung beats HTC hands down

As for the launcher, you can always install other launchers and not use the TW launcher

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 18:00 1

42. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


Coming from an HTC phone to the Galaxy Nexus I can honestly say there's not a ssingle feature from Sense that I miss.

The look on the other hand.. I do have Sense4 as a theme option for theme chooser... but that's why I bought a Nexus ;-)

OPTIONS!

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:09 3

26. tedkord (Posts: 3912; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Not all. I love sense, and would take it over any other Android UI, including stock Android. But, I wouldn't get the One X due to lack.of removable battery and microSD card slot.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 18:43

52. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5281; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I suspect HTC's underwhelming sales performance is also sourced in their carrier placement decisions. An exclusive placement of the EVO LTE on Sprint before Sprint has any LTE network, has to be the dumbest decision of 2012 for HTC.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 20:18

56. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Yeah, I don't like Sense as much as other overlays. It really makes the phone lag and distorts the performance. When my friends are looking for an Android phone, at this point, I direct them to Samsung and Moto.
I don't HATE Sense, it really has gotten better. Still lowers performance a bit, but it's gotten a lot better. Sense three and earlier just made no Sense.
Heh. Heh. See what I did there? *shot*

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 20:23 1

58. 14545 (Posts: 983; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


I think it's a mixture of that, and the fact that they release a device and then quit supporting it. (Look at all of the tabs). I like HTC, but now that they have confirmed that my View 4G and Flyer won't be receiving ICS, I'm dumping them. They do their best to hinder development, (not as bad as MOTO mind you but still bad nonetheless) and won't listen to customers, the people that made them what they are/were. I've had the xv6800, TP2, Thunderbolt, Flyer, Rezound, and Evo View 4G. But the last two will be my last HTC devices because they won't cradle development. They are more concerned about profits than making great products anymore. Instead of innovating, they have decided to fall back on gimmicks(beats anyone) to try and sell phones. It's stupid. I'm going all nexus only from here on out.

posted on 07 Jun 2012, 01:37

79. metoyou (Posts: 277; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


I don't think that's the case here. I believe it's the lack of expansion card and removable battery or small battery.
The international is fine with the size but all of the North America one is capped with 16 gb and only 12 gb? is for user. they should at least have 32gb if they sans the microSD card.
I LOVE sense UI

posted on 07 Jun 2012, 03:56

81. shy2papa (Posts: 195; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)


Its Not HTC sense thats the problem but HTC management and head of manufacturing or design, HTC went two steps back with the X one by not including a removable and Bigger battery at least 2500mah, No sd card slot, only 1gig of ram, single led flash instead of the usual Dual led flash, and no camera button.

this in my opinion makes more sense why HTC sells not doing good

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:36 3

3. celljudge32 (Posts: 3; Member since: 06 Jun 2012)


I don't think its a coincidence that when they started locking the bootloaders and alienated the Xda types that their sales declined. I enjoy flashing ROMS and kernals but now you have to wait 6 months before the developers are able to achieve S-off to get the full experience.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 20:32

59. Jonathan41 (Posts: 526; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


That's AT&T's fault. Expect the same for the SG3 at AT&T.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 21:16

63. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Samsung uses a very minimal lock. Its litterally unlocked with a button press. Always has been. The SGS3 has already been unlocked, samsung has already given the full ROM to the community, and mods are already being made.

Carriers may make them lock the device, but it is up to the manufacturer how strong that lock is.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 21:22

67. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


It's not a button press, it's no lock at all. You just flash knowing that you will have an obvious indicator that your phone has had it's software modified, at least, until someone figures out how to reset the GS3 flash counter.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 22:10

72. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


wait.. what? flash counter. I was unaware of that. do you know where documentation of that is?? Is that just on the factory unlocked version or on the carrier international version as well?

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 22:16

75. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


All SGS2/SGS3 variants have a counter where every time you flash a non-Samsung signed ODIN firmware, it will count it and write it to a file. You will get a yellow triangle on bootup when it is above 0.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:36 3

4. DollarBill (Posts: 1; Member since: 06 Jun 2012)


I have had the one x for 10 days now and have been trying to come up with why i dont like it to convince myself to get the sg3 when it comes out on at&t. I upgraded from the captivate. So far all I can say is I love the phone. The only negative is that the battery barely makes it through a full day with heavy usage. But with normal usage it usually gets plugged up with around 40% battery life left.
Love it! Still not sure if I am going to switch to SG3 yet..

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:33 2

16. Galen20K (Posts: 504; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)


Honestly both the One X and the GS3 are Amazing phones, I don't see how you could unhappy with either one of them.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 17:43 2

40. deeoh1084 (Posts: 48; Member since: 30 Dec 2009)


but One X doesn't have removable batter or the microsd card slot that's a huge turn down IMO

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 18:08

44. Nickmfnjackson (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jan 2010)


This ^

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 18:09

46. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Agreed,not having expandable memory and replacable battery is a deterrent to one x sales. The Sony Xperia line has also suffered from this. Manufacturers should take not,people want their memory card slots not some cloud storage in cyberspace

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 19:12 1

53. mercorp (Posts: 954; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


Ironically,this never affects apple in terms of sales.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 17:10 2

37. lsutigers (Posts: 670; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)


Im in the same boat as you, except I picked up the EVO LTE, which has some extra goodies over the One X. Like you, I cant find anything wrong with the phone, its a beast with the S4 and the battery life has been great, with heavy use I get about 1.5 days, not bad. I really want to look at the SGS3 but I think I will keep the EVO, build quality on this thing is amazing, its built like a tank. Screen is also ridiculously nice and I havent experienced any of the multitasking issues some speak of. The camera is also impressive. The only thing keeping my eye on the SGS3 is the 2GB of RAM. Not sure what to do but I cant come up with an excuse to switch.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 17:58

41. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


I agree 100%with you Isutigers,I brought this EVO LTE day one; the only problem with this phone is it is so nice and smooth, there is no need to rooted it, thus, I will give it to the gf and get SGS3 ( hopefully something is wrong so I can root and flash) ...lol

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 18:08

45. lsutigers (Posts: 670; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)


Marty, I also like the looks of the EVO LTE much better than the SGS3, the EVO looks manly and different from conventional design, the SGS3 looks like the SGS2 and other slab phones.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:38

5. tha.fox (Posts: 100; Member since: 30 Nov 2011)


sense 2.1 was insanely fast. the thunderbolt is faster than the rezound maybe not in specs but visual performance it is due to sense 3.0+ are over crowded with extra crap thats looks cool and all but if the performance isnt there no one will want it. no dual core or quad core phone should glitch as much as htc do

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:39

6. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


It's expected, a lot of people were looking to get sgs3. I think its bad timing, and really stupid strategy for the US market.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:43 3

7. HTCOE (Posts: 315; Member since: 20 Nov 2011)


i love my one x...i have no complaints just the phone w/o the beats headphones standard is a drawback somewhat and im not really impressed or overwhelmed with the sgs3 to want to switch.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:43 8

8. medicci37 (Posts: 552; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


That BS that Apple pulled, with customs didn't help.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:41

17. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 2846; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


You mean the bs HTC pulled by violating patents?

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:50 2

21. VZWuser76 (Posts: 986; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Thanks, I made sure to stay away from any articles that were going to be flame wars because I'm getting really sick of that s**t. So I come in here, an article only about HTC, and I still get to see you guys in here. You trolls, & by that I mean any trolls, are harder to get rid of than herpes, and about as endearing.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 19:48

55. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 2846; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


u mad bro?

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:59 1

22. medicci37 (Posts: 552; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


If they were violating Apples patients, The phones wouldn't have eventually been released from customs. If you want to buy Apple products (with Samsung inside :) thats fine. But how can you be so weak minded, as to agree with everything Apple says ? Regardless of the facts. Even though I like Android, I don't automatically agree with everything they do or say.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 17:38 1

39. BREvenson (Posts: 190; Member since: 17 May 2012)


HTC cleared the ITC, meaning that they did NOT violate the patent. If they did, the phones would not have left customs. Your argument is invalid.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:47 3

10. jcpwn2004 (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)


That's what happens when these companies release 80 phones with s**tty support. Limit your selves to a couple great phones on each carrier and support them, and I'm sure you'd be in the green.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 14:58

11. Luuthian (Posts: 184; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


Agreed. HTC spent too much time flooding the market with too many phones, and that's coming back to haunt them with their inability to clear their older inventory.

The renewed focus on the One series wasn't a bad idea. It's the poor decisions they made earlier on that are killing them.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:04

12. rn9215 (Posts: 41; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


Hope HTC q3 revenue goes higher for the company to be profitable!.I have the one x and i have fallen in love with it and i do like the sense ui over other oem customization and the locked boot loader is the only negative point of HTC..:(

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:26

14. iliketech (Posts: 52; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)


yea, I have a HTC One x (AT&T) , AND I thought it was great when I first got it...
The screen is really good. But now I find it sluggish, and not as snappy as say the Galaxy Nexus was. I have Nuked it twice and am about to do so again just to see if it is some app that is causing it to be slow switching between apps. Then I get the dreaded "LOADING" message, when getting done with a web browsing session... or doing other stuff on the phone. My Moto Atrix 2 didn't even do some of this stuff... and I AM Holding on to that phone still... If I could put a picture of the "Loading " screen shot I would...
If I was buying a phone now I would wait for the SGSiii... Sorry HTC.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:41 1

18. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


You can blame both Qualcomm and HTC. About Qualcomm, its S4 SoC is f*cking RAM hunger and needs at least 1.5 GB Ram for working normally, but that is only 20% of the problem and the rest's belonged to HTC. Sense UI is so heavy, and HTC didn't think about increasing the RAM, so they have to set the force close function on 1X.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 21:37

70. Jonathan41 (Posts: 526; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


I'm sure if the S4 in your One X is "sluggish" then the S4 in the SG3 will probably feel the same after a while.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:27 3

15. theBankRobber (Posts: 642; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


Can't sell phones if Apple is stopping your shipments, I just read the Apple has filled suit against Samsung for the Galaxy S 3 over the same Data Tapping patent the got HTC with AND the S-Voice saying its a copy of Siri. With Apple around, you can't have anything good.

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:03 1

24. taz89 (Posts: 1944; Member since: 03 May 2011)


where did you read that apple is trying to ban the s3 cause its not anywhere mate...

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:28

32. taz89 (Posts: 1944; Member since: 03 May 2011)


yep just read it...no surprise really its all apple do know really

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 15:42

19. eman99 (Posts: 192; Member since: 03 Aug 2010)


Cmon htc you knew sammy was coming with a winner then you brought this sh*t out really where are you give us a quad core 5in screen something sales are just going to slide here in the states, you need to slap your ball* all over these phones companys this what we want

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:11

27. iliketech (Posts: 52; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)


oh yea, and that is not to mention that their web site support Forum for this phone started up and I was one of first posters to that site... Now the last week it is down... I click on my email feedback and it is barren, nothing even there. When you search for the HTC One x support forum on HTC's site is is blank... What!!!
Update, while I was writing this and since yesterday it has re-appeared... Now, I just checked 6/6/12 5 pm EST, and the support forum is back up for the HTC one x and it does not even have any of the original posts, bringing forth all the issues about the phone that users were trying to get help on... I think it is unbelevable that they can do that - start a support forum , then shut it down for a week, wipe all content from that particular forum and then put a brand new "Clean" forum back up... What!!!
That blows my mind...
Too bad the Samsung Galaxy Nexus battery was horrible...

posted on 06 Jun 2012, 16:13

29. tedkord (Posts: 3912; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Maybe they had a server failure, and lost the content. It happens.

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