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HTC admits its High Performance Mode pumped up benchmark scores for the HTC One (M8)

0. phoneArena 28 Mar 2014, 19:53 posted on

Last year, Samsung was accused of putting technology into its high-end Android phones that could determine when a benchmark test was being run, and boost the frequencies of the CPU on the device. Samsung did admit that "the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 maximizes its CPU/GPU frequencies when running features that demand substantial performance."...

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posted on 28 Mar 2014, 19:55 14

1. Calm_down_mon (Posts: 35; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)


The old Samsung story >.> who the hell cares about these f-ing benchmark scores

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:16 3

6. lyndon420 (Posts: 1782; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Apparently these benchmark tests are everything to some users on PA and many other sites...probably affects sales somewhat.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:38 9

11. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1387; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Always t's pretty sad. The benchmark score is so irrelevant. Honestly, the general consumers don't even know what benchmark test even is but they made out of the majority of market. I just got the HTC one today and I def love it. It's very smooth and my style of OS. I'm still not very impressed with the camera but I knew what I was getting. However, I just love the build quality. If you judge phones by the way they feel in your hand, HTC one will always come out on top. However I have not held a Z2 yet but it bet its build quality will be very good as well.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 11:28

69. imkyle (Posts: 1017; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)


If you are buying a $200 phone on contract when there are options to purchase other android phones for $0.01 and some are free, then you must know something about phones thus you wouldn't be spending $200 on an Android phone.

posted on 30 Mar 2014, 15:52

84. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1387; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


I know a lot about the phones that are currently on the market but mostly the ones that are available for the US market. I know there are android phones I can get next to nothing on contract. However, I'm a smartphone junkie who loves to have the newest thing that is out there. Also I'm on the at&t next plan so I have to make installment each month which in term I'm paying full price for the phone but in monthly payment. I'm enslaved by pretty shiny new phones.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 22:00 7

24. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Samsung was attaced , and we know why,
But all the Android OEM's was doing , THE SAME. Even Anand wrote it.
But the tech media want to point only Samsung.(why?)

And Anand wrote that Note 3 beat all of them anyhow.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 04:21 1

47. hmmm... (Posts: 61; Member since: 05 Jun 2013)


Motorola did not cheat and Sony phones were not on the list of phones he tested.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 06:09 4

54. AfterShock (Posts: 2885; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Nor was Nexus phones bumped up for tests.
So, not all phones are thrown into the ring of shame.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 19:57 10

2. apple4never (Posts: 970; Member since: 08 May 2013)


LOL 27k? my dual core, midrange Xperia SP get 23k

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:30

18. fireblade (Posts: 714; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)


please post the picture. No pic = hoax and you're a liar

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 22:49 11

33. apple4never (Posts: 970; Member since: 08 May 2013)


https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0zjmk05zq7muwb/Screenshot_2014-03-28-23-44-58%20%281%29.png

lets see if that works

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 00:22

36. zekes (Posts: 211; Member since: 14 Aug 2012)


Good phone it beat the hell out the note 2

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 11:24

68. apple4never (Posts: 970; Member since: 08 May 2013)


lol yup, i got it for free with a 150$ gift card too!!! and the fact that it beat the flagship it launched aside is startling and it got so close to the M7

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:02 10

3. Lt.Green (Posts: 394; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


Real time use is the true score, not benchmarks.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:00

14. vincelongman (Posts: 1573; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Unfortunately, you can't easily compare real life usage, so people use benchmarks

Also most benchmarks I've tried only use 2-3 of my Nexus 5's cores and its only at ~70% usage for each of those cores.
And a slightly lower benchmark score can also be good as it means you CPU is using less battery

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:58 1

23. sprockkets (Posts: 1307; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


If the same performance is attainable with a performance setting, I have nothing against it.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 22:22 1

26. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


My note 3 is set on performance mode, and not on demand .

Via custom kernel.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:15 14

4. vintage (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


(htc fans) the camera may be a little out dated but we beat every one else In benchmarks. And it's metal. Hahahahah

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:14 4

15. V-Dawg (Posts: 6; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


Dude, you might want to look again, the HTC did'nt beat any of the three devices listed above in the legit (normal grounds of testing) mode. Actually the score is way way way low. You are also wrong about the camera, the tech of dual cam is somewhat new and they say the've improved the hardware of the cam (Not in terms of MP), but the ram is still DDR2.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:27

17. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8825; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Right? Lol.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:49 6

21. vintage (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


?? I was being sarcastic smart a** if u look I said (HTC fan) which means I was speakn as to be one think you please if your going to try and correct some one please read carefully next time thank you and papa smurf just have a seat and do something with your life

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 22:31

27. pwnarena (Posts: 958; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


you've just encountered two people who have consitently exhibited questionable abilities in reading english texts. i think maherk and rd_nest will follow.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 23:07

34. vintage (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


Haha I can tell I thought my post was self explanitory if I do say so my self but I guess not I would think with the 6000+ comments papasmurf made he would learn how to read

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 03:17

44. giani (Posts: 269; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


The ram is actually DDR3. So now the world can relax. For more details check Anandtech 's review.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 08:03

60. vintage (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


Actually that comment needs to go number 15 I never said anything about DDR2 or DDR3.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 21:45

79. V-Dawg (Posts: 6; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


pwnarena @ oh is that so, and where else have you seen me replying a comment. Just because people don't say what you want them to say, don't thrash them.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 09:43

62. Ashoaib (Posts: 2371; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Hahaha.. you reminded me a proverb "out of a pan, into the fire"... its ok, forgive both of them.. sometime misunderstanding happen

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 10:33

66. vintage (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


Who says I'm mad I'm not mad at all but at the same time please don't try and correct me if you don't understand my comment. And you can't forgive some one you were never mad at.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 21:43

78. V-Dawg (Posts: 6; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


Yeah right!!!! just because you typed in "HTC FANS" at the start doesn't mean youre being sarcastic. Anyway I apologize and next time try to be accurately sarcastic.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 23:35

81. vintage (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


Can you shut up I don't care about your opinion thank you just because your slow doesn't mean I wasn't being sarcastic please have a seat. And the 14 People that liked my comments must have got it

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 09:54

64. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4103; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


It's DDR3 RAM. Check Anandtech's review.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:15 3

5. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4006; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Benchmarks are useless most of the time and don't prove anything. It's just like using a carrier coverage map over using something like Sensorly for real world feedback.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 22:34 1

28. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


To you it might not, to others, like who actually finds out when playing games shows how many FPS, refresh rates, the speed of the memory> bandwith, vectors, and etc,,,,,these are advanced users! unlike me and you and others are novice to this.

When your car goes on service it uses an app just like antutu, to figure out what's it's performance is and what is it know after few years, ,, rolling road map

Even CPU engineers use similar CPU app like antutu to abstract gains and flows of CPU plot algorithm

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 07:58 1

59. chebner (Posts: 146; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


I know some users like to know what fps they're getting at any split second. But what matters more, insane fps or that the game plays smoothly? With a PC plugged into the wall power consumption doesn't really matter. But in a phone where battery power is finite anyone with common sense should prefer minimum fps to provide smooth game play vs max fps, the power savings will allow you to play longer.

What the help are you talking about hooking your car up to? That's just a diagnostic computer that tells you what is wrong. Only a dynometer can tell you how much power your car has. Most people probably don't know what a dynometer is let alone had their car tested.

Yes CPU engineers use benchmarks to test against a known baseline so they can tell how their chip is performing, but these tests have little to do with real world performance.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:17 19

7. galanoth (Posts: 334; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)


Samsung does it it's cheating.
HTC does it and now benchmarks don't matter.
Hater logic.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:25 6

16. williamdroid (Posts: 125; Member since: 19 Jan 2014)


Well at least they still have their Metal lmao

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 04:42

51. morijoon (Posts: 25; Member since: 27 Mar 2014)


it,s samsung cheating this time only make htc weaker
2.3 version of m8 get very great 37000 in an tu tu and now samsung say the 2.5 version get only 27000 score ? really ?

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:17 5

8. vintage (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)


Hahaha

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:24 13

9. fzacek (Posts: 2086; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)


HTC is like a stupid blonde; great for looks and "build quality", but a little behind when it comes to intelligence. I'm beginning to hate HTC like I hate Apple. Don't even get me started on what kind of a person Appe is...

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 01:10 1

38. hurrycanger (Posts: 1233; Member since: 01 Dec 2013)


Who's that Appe guy anyway?

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 11:20

67. fzacek (Posts: 2086; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)


Apple is more of a whore...

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 01:43

42. Trex95 (Posts: 571; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


I played with S5 couple of weeks ago in Samsung store and let me tell you exctly what is my thought about it.
- The new touchwiz UI is lighter but the Ugliest Android UI looks exctly like Symbian UI.
- camera is great, but does has some foucing issue with close opjects.
- Super Amoled on S5 looks better than Note 3 Super Amoled.
- Games performance okay not that great still there's a bit of lag.

Overall S5 better than S4 but still can't outperform Iphone 5s and Lg G flex in benchmark.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 02:47 1

43. .KRATOS. (Posts: 124; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


The phone isn't released yet, n even on its launch it didn't have any lag so jst cut ur crap, u haven't seen the phone.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:26

10. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


People still do benchmarks? Lol wow

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 22:37

29. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


When you go to gym don't you see your heartbeat or rate or something that detects your body to show what the calculation your body is pulsing,,,,?

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 04:45 1

52. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1270; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


I agree with him. I use to run benchmarks from the OG Droid to the Note 2. But with the Note 3 the phone is fast at everything it does in real life. Almost every phone with a snapdragon 800 and above have been fast to date. Not saying that benchmarks are completely useless but the 800 along with 4.3/4.4 have been rock solid combo. People should not base their buying decision on scores alone. Benchmarking is crucial when your picking a cpu or video card upgrade for your computer; not when comparing phones with the same cpu and operating system.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 20:47 1

12. mr.techdude (Posts: 555; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


I don't get it, why are they and everyone else accused of cheating when all their doing is optimizing the chip for benchmarking, like isn't it showing the true potential of CPU and GPU.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:00

13. zennacko (Posts: 236; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)


I had a really big comment about this case, but then I felt stupid for even bothering about CPU power on smartphones. I won't render anything big on them, won't use much folding@home (if there is actually an app for that) or other cpu-heavy software, and last but not least. I could have a more reliable multi-core machine on a PC. Soon enough people will treat their phones as nano-mainframes, sheesh.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:41 7

19. cai4651 (Posts: 26; Member since: 09 Mar 2014)


Poor HTC ....It's difficult to choose between s5 and htc ...let me think...
Metal vs
better CPU/GPU, ddr3, water resistant , bigger screen, lighter , thinner , smaller, better Camera , usb 3.0, bigger battery , replaceable battery , fingerprint reader .

Great job HTC for simplifying this.... they talk about shame...LOL

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 22:47 2

32. iushnt (Posts: 724; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)


You forgot about the double WiFi antenna on s5..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-XseHZyvGtg

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 04:39 4

50. morijoon (Posts: 25; Member since: 27 Mar 2014)


in gsmarena 2.3 version get 37000 score in an tu tu and s5 just 35000
now really you think the 2.5 version get only 27000?
so better and faster cpu for htc
better screen htc
better design htc
maybe s5 is thinner but m8 in hand fell great and very thin
and for a phone have full metal body and 2 stereo speaker have +15gr is
nothing
the bigger battery or the result of use battery ? the result for m8 is great 71 hr by a 2600 battery and wait for s5
and first thing for me to choose a phone is the beauty
i vote m8

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 16:43

76. JMartin22 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


Your English is terribly bad. Also, the M8s screen isn't as good as the S5s, neither in color accuracy, nor saturation. It's the same outdated SLCD3 from last year with no improvement other than HTC doing more over-processing on the images to make them look saturated.

Also, S5 has the same Chipset as that HTC phone, so the HTC is not "better".

PS, the "advantage" you listed at the end is subjective. I find HTC phones ugly, because of poor design engineering, material construct won't change that. More facts please

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 17:47

77. ngo2dd (Posts: 790; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


You talking about fact but you did not give any. The whole thing is very subjective. The Amoled screen is old technology as the other Amoled screen of last year. And you do know this is an international sit so when you attack some over their English, it make you so more uneducated

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 14:42

75. ToxiD (Posts: 41; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


What do you mean by that ddr3? HTC also has DDR3 Ram... btw so many gimmicks there lol

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:41 3

20. Lyngdoh (Posts: 225; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


It seems like Sony is honest with benchmarks.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 09:10

61. Bioload25 (Posts: 213; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


I so freaking love Sony man...dont know why '-'

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 09:45

63. Ashoaib (Posts: 2371; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Seems like apple is honest with bench marks

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 21:52

80. Taters (Posts: 3512; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Lol Sony are the biggest cheaters ever. The Xperia Z has a heavier skin and exact same internals as the Nexus 4 yet it crushes the nexus 4 in benchmarks. Geez, I wonder how. ....

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 21:54 3

22. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


"Last year, Samsung was accused "
Wrong. All the Android OEM's was accused at the end , FOR THE SAME.
But the tech media what to point only Samsung.

" Samsung did admit that "the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 maximizes its CPU/GPU frequencies when running features that demand substantial performance."

Samsung ADMIT NOTHING. Samsung just explained what is going on. And that this is not cheating.
This what HTC is doing now is different stort, though.

Enough with insinuations and manipulation

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 04:25

48. hmmm... (Posts: 61; Member since: 05 Jun 2013)


From your logic, HTC also explained what's going on. Not all were accused. Sony phones were not tested and Motorola turned out clean.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks

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