HTC Zeta: Quad-core 2.5GHz CPU superphone rocking Ice Cream Sandwich
Any phone using the next generation Snapdragon chipset would come with the new Adreno 225 GPU that is said to bring a 4x improvement in graphics performance. The chipset will also be built on the new 28nm die process, resulting in energy savings of up to 75% over current chipsets.
The render of the Zeta shows off a phone that appears to take styling cues from the HTC Edge, though with sharper corners and a more industrial look. While price and availability were not reported, Qualcomm has previously announced that the Krait SoC would start shipping in the first half of 2012, so look for this beast no earlier than next fall. With that much time left the physical design could still change substantially between now and whenever it is announced.
Is this the direction that HTC should head in terms of aesthetics? What do you guys think?
17. iankellogg (Posts: 155; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
on screen buttons are kind of dumb. even though they can disappear when not needed they still take up space
20. seanwilliam906 (Posts: 1; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)
Software buttons or physical/capacitive buttons are a choice for manufactures with ICS! Google doesn\'t care!
34. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its a choice manufacturers have. honestly, i like the "look" without the buttons, but im not sold on real world as i tend to accidentally hit the onscreen buttons on my honeycomb tablet a decent bit.
2. Alantef (Posts: 278; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)
Now...Galaxy Nexus......I will have this next year....maybe lol
32. Synack (Posts: 624; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Honestly, this is f**king pointless. Just keep adding raw power to a phone and completely f**k over battery life and aesthetics of a phone. It's a f**kING PHONE. Just optimize the goddamn software to better work with hardware. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to have all of this power. There is not a single app or game that requires this crap. HTC, you are so stupid.
35. vzwincred (Posts: 28; Member since: 15 Nov 2011)
maybe the sw isnt being made since theres no hw made for it. just a thought.
36. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if you would quit cursing long enough to actually read the article before you comment you would have noticed
"up to 75% increase in battery performance" compared to the S3 snapdragon dual core chip thats out now.
The more cores u have, the less each one is stressed.. the lower the voltages used =less over all power consumption.
42. Synack (Posts: 624; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
It honestly doesn't matter because you're basically running my gaming desktop from 2009 in a damn phone. Anyone who actually knows how an iPhone and Nexus phones work will know this. Instead of HTC improving on their Sense (or removing it altogether) they'd rather stuff a beefy processor in the phone so it can handle all of the boggyness of Sense. Also, anyone who knows anything about Android knows that HTC makes the worst quality phones. Hardware is junk, software is junk, and their metals and plastics are junk. The only thing they've managed to do is make some of their phones look good and aesthetically feel good to the touch. Also they've put in Beats Audio, oh boy! Basically a tuned internal equalizer that will destroy earbuds if you use anything less than the earbuds they give you. HTC is looking a lot like HP lately. Junk hardware/software in a pretty case. HTC needs to learn from Samsung on hardware and software. Also, nobody really want a phone that's as thick as a wallet, do they? Nope :/
51. bayhuy (Posts: 245; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
Q: What is worse than Apple fanboi?
A: A Samsung fanboi!
Basically you're telling that HTC must learn from South Korean KIRF manufacturer, sued for copying the look and feel and banned!?
Apple = Adidas
Samsung = Adibas.
44. Forsaken77 (Posts: 541; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
Actually that's not totally accurate. The more cores, the more battery you use to power them. There's more of them to power, that's common sense. True, each one handles less computations, but a dual core of the same chip type will use less power. The reason there is better battery performance is because of the 28nm chip. The chip itself is better optimized and requires much less juice to perform the same functions. Dual cores in a phone are more than capable to handle just about anything you can throw at it. A quad-core is just over-kill for a phone (it's not a tablet). Synack is right when he says that they could achieve basicly the same results if they optimize the software properly. It's like HTC isn't even trying to go that route. They should learn from Xbox/PS3 game developers for how to optimize your software to squeeze every last drop of power out of the hardware. Those developers have done some amazing things with those consoles and the smartphone architecture isn't that far from a pc/Xbox in aspects of development.
54. ayephoner (Posts: 832; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
this is the natural progression. this processor sounds like way too much, but none of us know what this phone is capable of. We dont really know how far ICS can be optimized with a quad core, but with the unification of phone and tablet software, it does make sense.
and with windows moving toward 3 way unification, power like this should be common in w8 phones and tablets (i hope).
61. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
forsaken, you are incorrect.
all cores are not on all the time. for menial tasks, only 1 core turns on. . other cores turn on as needed. 4 cores working at 25% power use less battery than the same power core working at 100% power.
Volt usage is not evenly distributed among power ranges for the chip... aka if it uses 1 volt at 25% power, it does not automatically mean it uses 2 volts at 50% power or 3 volts at 75% power.. ect ect. When you get to higher % usage of the chip, it actually sucks more power at the top 25% of the chip than it did for the bottom 50%. So if you can keep the chips running at half mast or less, together they = more horsepower while sucking less juice.
And since all 4 cores running at 100% power is a rarity compared to normal usage, the over all power usage is reduced.
There was an Nvidia article where they showed core usage live in the video that really brings a lot of what i just said to light.
4. Galen20K (Posts: 491; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
I really wish htc never made a deal with beats audio.
40. choupino (Posts: 60; Member since: 28 May 2011)
Galen20K... First off... HTC purchased Beats Audio outright... Secondly, why would you not want a company to step up it's sound production and technology by acquiring a prime manufacturer of sound related hardware and software? HTC has always had some of the best sounding smartphones so far. Why would they not want to push the envelope to the next level?
YOU HAVE TO REALLY CLARIFY A WISH LIKE THAT DUDE!!!
46. Forsaken77 (Posts: 541; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
I wouldn't go so far as to say they should've never gotten involved with Beats, of course adding a great exclusive feature like that really helps draw people away from Apple. But HTC needs to iron out the flaws in its' software first before piling on more cpu-intensive applications (not just referring to Beats). They need to go back to basics, imo, like improving software optimization and battery life. After all the phones they put out and they still haven't done much with the battery performance. In some aspects their battery life has gotten worse while others are drastically improving (Razr). Fix these KEY features, then add on other things.
59. PimpStrong (Posts: 310; Member since: 25 Jul 2011)
HTC audio sounds like its in a tin can.
5. clevername (Posts: 1379; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
I think the design is actually amazing. First HTC design I've ever liked, and I love it. But...its running ics, so the buttons should be removed(good eye Kmack) and the bottom bezel should be bought closer to the bottom of the screen. Or make it 4.65" like the nexus.
10. protozeloz (Posts: 5189; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Agree, I don't dig HTC design or UI ,it looks horrible to me but this looks rather nice
55. ayephoner (Posts: 832; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
it looks nice, but i have some questions to feel and durability.
the sharp corners look like they arent very friendly to the hand or in the pocket.
and the raised camera sensor looks like it might welcome additional wear and welcome scratching. it does look like a bit larger sensor than we normally see though, so maybe an upgrade from other android cameras.
62. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it just kinda looks like everything else right now.. HTC normally has a more individualized design. kinda dissapointing to me. As far as the hump goes, get a case and its no worries. :)
6. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
oh s**t this is like a dream phone!! dang i wont even need a computer anymore with this phone!
i smell phone of the year if this phones hits the markets next year!!
8. nb2six (Posts: 298; Member since: 27 Apr 2011)
reminds me of a submarine or aircraft carrier...
9. Exile SS (Posts: 38; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)
How does it have an 8 MB read camera? Sorry had to point that out.
11. sleepyjohnny (Posts: 151; Member since: 16 Dec 2009)
the fact that the galaxy nexus has no front capacitive touch buttons does not mean that all ice cream sandwhich phones will follow the same path.
15. protozeloz (Posts: 5189; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
It saves space and helps the production like with less things to arm together, just like any tab with 3.0 has no buttons 4.0 devices will go as well
69. furryfuryfur (Posts: 2; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
difference btw having software buttons and hard ware buttons are almost the same, they both take up space. although having hardware buttons means theres lesser chances of hitting them unnecessarily.
12. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
I like the design of this phone, would be nice if it was a little thinner though.
30. tbacba (Posts: 54; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I agree. If other manufacturers can produce thin phones, why does HTC continue to crank out ones that are so chunky? I'm not asking for Moto thin, but come on. That thing still looks .5 or better. That's thicker than my Incredible. (I know, it's got 4G, but still...)
70. furryfuryfur (Posts: 2; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
razr dosent feel so nice in my hands. its too thin
13. Dr.Phil (Posts: 790; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
The front looks good, but the back looks ugly imo. There's just too much going on, it needs to be more simplistic. Also, 2.5 ghz quad core sounds a little out there given the fact there's only 1 GB of RAM. And we somehow jump ahead when it comes to processors and GPUs but somehow the cameras stay the same? Idk, there's too much in this rumor that makes it sound not that legit. Perhaps some of the specs are true but I can't buy all of it.
47. Forsaken77 (Posts: 541; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
I agree. 2gigs of RAM would be a better choice for this hardware configuration. GS3 still sounded better (even though it was prolly all BS).
57. ayephoner (Posts: 832; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
i dont know if the camera is 'staying the same' just b/c there isnt a bump in megapixels does not mean there arent improvements. the sensor looks larger to me, which could mean a vast improvement in image quality.
14. Snakingmysolid (Posts: 10; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
Good design. I don't think I'll mind the thickness.
23. Paden (Posts: 262; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)
That's what she said.
Sorry, couldn't resist. hahaha
16. joseg81 (Posts: 153; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
maybe it's just me but it seems more like a tablet n less like a phone. i gotta give it to them for trying out something new with the design, even though it's not my favorite.
18. mozes316 (Posts: 141; Member since: 30 Sep 2011)
Hmmm Seems HTC isn't playing anymore... For some reason, I still think the Galaxy Nexus would out perform it, over all. IMO
27. karlmalone1 (Posts: 7; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
what on earth gives you that impression?
19. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
This is my next super phone edge to edge display stab Galaxy Nexus to the heart with new style.
22. Cwebb (Posts: 501; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
Evo 4g to Evo 3d, so it should naturally be the "Evo 2(letter with meaning for 2)"
29. idgaf (Posts: 31; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)
This is not the next high end evo. The next high end evo will be the Evo cybertron lol...if they go with Cwebb's way then the one after the next should be evOptimus Prime lolol
24. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1331; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
probably not, but dont forget the EVO shift and Design :D
25. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Improvement in design. Looks really nice. Though do not like HTC's usual gray color. Hopefully material build will be good as well.
26. Whateverman (Posts: 3065; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Whoa mama! I just don't know what phone I should be waiting for now. If these specs are right, this thing is going to be a beast.
28. MOTOROLA_is_Cool (Posts: 9; Member since: 30 Oct 2011)
Cool Design! I Want This Phone! But, I'm Getting Galaxy Nexus Because I don't want to wait until 2012. LOL
31. JGuinan007 (Posts: 564; Member since: 19 May 2011)
Very nice right now lets see how it turns out only thing I'd change is the buttons drop them and make the front one big screen
33. kamejoko (Posts: 91; Member since: 10 Nov 2011)
Krait SoC release dual-core first not quad-core.
37. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the dual cores are supposed to launch Q2 with the Quad cores launching Q3/Q4.. they mentioned next holiday season for the quadcore phone at the earliest. :)
38. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
Oh by the way guys, I hope you know that the processor this is running, at 1.5 GHz in a dual core variant, will thoroughly trounce the Tegra 3 with all of it\'s cores going full blast at 1.5 GHz (which is higher than Nvidia will ever clock theirs.)
The GPU is a different story, and we\'ll have to see if it\'s competitive with the next gen PowerVR 6s....
39. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
I personally think that this design is a bit implausible, but as long as the specs are real I\'d be okay with the look, after all the feel of this will be amazing.
41. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)
Finally, a somewhat different looking HTC device...for that alone i'm interested.
43. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2800; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I want to play Skyrim on my phone.
63. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
that would be awesome. get one of those pico projectors so i can put it up on a wall wherever im at. :)
45. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Q1 2012? Good. Try to beat THAT, Apple. On Q12012 you're still gonna have the sucky sucky stupid stupid iPhone 4S.
48. rizky_p (Posts: 19; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
the design is unlike the one from HTC. It is more like Sony design. Too be honest, really ugly. It is probably just a fake rendering. who knows.
49. anirudhshirsat97 (Posts: 257; Member since: 24 May 2011)
I don't know why people say there is no software to run on a hardware... I mean why would any1 make a software if it can't be used?
Software makers will make software depending on how much workload the hardware can take.
So in my opinion if there's better hardware, software will be created to utilize it and not vice versa.. That will be just plain Stupid.