HTC ThunderBolt delayed to maximize Verizon iPhone 4 sales?
0. phoneArena 14 Feb 2011, 09:34 posted on
If you have followed the news around Verizon's 4G LTE launch, you can't have missed the HTC ThunderBolt – a signature device for Big Red's high-speed network. But the initial expectations for a Feb 14th launch didn't come true…
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Smart business move by Verizon. If you bought the iPhone too quick and want a real 4G phone on the Verizon network, good luck paying an arm and a leg for it!
7. Allday28 (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Nov 2010)
Arm and leg for it?? It comes with a 32 GB SD card for $249!! That right there makes it worth it. Hell the iphone 32 gig is $299 so $249 is a pretty good deal. 40 GIGS out of the box you moron!!
8. FINEPRINT (unregistered)
You forget that those prices are with new contract for iphone. so if you return the phone after the 14 days you have to pay retail. Read the fine print.
23. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)
he's simply saying that if you got an iphone the day it came out, you wouldnt be able to get the thunderbolt for the price with a contract. i dont know why im even commenting... clearly you cant read....
33. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Haha thank you tragichero. I did not feel like explaining myself again.
52. onecsguy (unregistered)
LOL, Verizon should have just ignored the iPhone and beat it back completly with the 4G before ATT got the Atrix =P
2. itguy (unregistered)
Verizon is nothing but a money hungry corporation... This move just proves it... Wake up people!
4. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Every good business is money hungry. What Verizon did is definitely a cheap shot to its customers, but if you want to maximize profit, these are the moves you have to make.
6. protozeloz (Posts: 5375; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
the company offers its stuff, its the users fault for rushing into their traps and ending up with "obsolete" stuff (sorry if the word obsolete makes it sound harsh), now i wonder how many iPhone users would really like to change their phones for the LTE thunderbolt...
38. DV (unregistered)
If you bought the phone day one and your return period is 14 days and the thunderbolt comes out the 24th that means that you can exchange it on the 24th and pay the restock fee. Correct my math if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that the 10th to the 24th amounts to 14 days!
43. Hi (unregistered)
your math is wrong.. 10-24 is 15 days
44. kocho (unregistered)
Technically, the 10th to the 24th can be anywhere from 14 to 15 days, depending on the actual time you bought the phone.
Ex. if you bought the phone on 2/10 at noon..... by 2/24 at noon that will be 14 days exactly..... by 2/24 at 3 pm, that will be 14 days and 3 hours. etc....
Not sure Verizon would be so analytical about that, would they???
5. Hallucinator (Posts: 344; Member since: 24 May 2010)
Isn't it Verizon's job to make money? They didn't force anyone to go out and buy the Iphone.
16. Biodude (unregistered)
Maximimum profits are good for shareholders like me!
25. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)
verizon didnt do anything unethical in this situation. they even realesed the fact that they would be releasing the 4g phones after the iphone. therefore its the users fault if they intended to purchase an iphone and then return later for the thunderbolt. that would be shady business by the consumer not the company. return policy is in place for you to discover what phone meets your needs and to have a saftey net if its deffective, not to rent a phone.
31. DiegoK (unregistered)
Every large company is money hungry. Name one large company that isn't? It's called capitalism. Does that mean boycott everything you buy? This is just a dumb comment.
35. Ralston1983 (Posts: 65; Member since: 03 Feb 2011)
You're acting like Verizon is the first money hungry corporation. What company isn't looking to boost there bottom line? Esp in this day in age.
39. pbo1228 (unregistered)
That makes it all right because everyone else is doing it.???
42. whatigot (unregistered)
absolutely, business is a tricky deal. If a poor unintelligent sap falls for corporate traps its their fault! Alls fair in love,war and business. Every company must notify its customers of policy changes, verizon notified all customers of the exchange date, and new plan prices. its not anyones fault but your own if you dont pay attention and your stuck with something you dislike. The fact that its the most reliable phone service puts them in a position to be money sucking @$$'s, no one likes it but, yeah its completely ethical to have policy's every successful company does from hair dressers to plumbers to Big Red!
46. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 302; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
MIN MAXING!!! lol cmon any of you ever got in to D&D??? it's just Min-Maxing irl!!! can't hate them for playing the game well. YES nothing will change till the public ACTS on it's disapproval, but hey. if its working for them then power to them. hopefully i'll get in on that someday too... :)
53. onecsguy (unregistered)
But at least they use all that money to make a better more reliable network, with contiguous 3G and now 4G, inlike ATT that robs the cell division to pay for thier landline and TV business =P And we all see what happens when a company isnt money hungry enough ... try to get on 3G with a sprint phone or even make a call =D
3. guest (unregistered)
noooo. i want my arm and leg back!
9. ATTCallCenter (unregistered)
It's the consumers fault for not knowing these things that are available to the public. I know about this, you know about this, yet John Doe is at Verizon right now getting himself an iPhone
10. giantgnome (Posts: 67; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)
The iphone isn't a bad phone but what I've discovered are a good number of iphone users are just sheep. Whatever Steve Jobs tell them they don't need they'll unthinkingly agree.
When I have discuss Android phones with my friends we'll talk about the various features of what each different model has and their shortcomings, whereas conversations with iphone users ALWAYS boils down to what you don't "need". To be honest I like the iphone but I hate the iphone crowd. Like a bunch of religious nutjobs. It's no wonder they get sucked into Verizon's scheme so easily.
28. Rich (unregistered)
this is exactly why i dont like apple.... the iphone is good but ill never get one because there are better phones out there. but bc of the 'sheep' the media buys into the iphone and the uneducated phone consumers just assume the iphone is the best bc the sheep media and tredny sheep consumers. thats reason A why my phone will never have an apple logo on it.
11. ribbonsalmark (Posts: 84; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
Greedy ATT. It is the job of your salesman to inform potential and active clients of new coming phones. This is why you fail AT&T. Carriers have gotten way too greedy in my opinion. Given the millions if not billions they make on the general public annually, you would think they could give you a little more than 14 days to exchange a phone. Further more the general public is SHEEP. They dont know their left from their right and their HTC Thunderbolt from their Sony Ericsson Arc. They just know "OOOO Shiney, I want one." Its is the job of those informed to guide the SHEEP to something they can use and will be happy with for the two years they sign their contract for. Not misguide them like wolves to a phone that will be out of date by May 25th. SHAME SHAME SHAME AT&TCallCenter person.
34. mthoren68 (Posts: 66; Member since: 21 Sep 2009)
Wait, it's the carrier's duty to say, "I know you're interested in Phone A, but Phone B will be coming along so don't buy anything from me now."
That is ridiculous. First, do your own research. Do you expect restaurants to tell you that somewhere else has better food? Do you expect Chrysler to tell you not to buy a car from them because Ford has one that gets better mileage? Second, who is to say what is better? Despite all the discussion about the advantages of Android phones, there obviously is still a large segment that continues to favor iPhones. Third, if you're too stupid to know that, in the cell phone market, something "better" is going to come along shortly, then you deserve what you get.
12. get it right (unregistered)
you are a moron "itguy" you have a bussiness and u want to make profit u r not here to be Red cross ,,,,,what an idoit wake up
13. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Well said. It isn't Verizons job to be your friend and warn you of anything, it is their job to sell as many phones as possible while locking you into a plan. If they acted like their customers "friends" they wouldn't be around today...
18. tedkord (Posts: 4662; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
They don't need to be your friend, but they should be honest and forthright. I've been in the Verizon store many times and heard salesmen telling patrons things which were questionable, if not outright lies.
My very first cell phone (all those years ago) was an ATT flip phone. The salesman told me that my area was saturated with coverage, and that there was no roaming withing 25 miles of my home (back when roaming was a real concern). Both were lies - I couldn't drive 500 yards in any direction without losing signal once I'd actually gotten a signal, and my first bill had over $200 in roaming charges when I'd never left the 25-mile radius.
When I called in to complain, the ATT rep told me ATT had no towers in the area, there was no roam-free zone around my home, and ATT wasn't responsible for what their salesmen said.
I cancelled, went to Verizon and will never go back to ATT.
22. giantgnome (Posts: 67; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)
I've been to every store from every carrier and ALL their salesmen do the same thing.
In any case, this article has very little to do with being honest and forthright. The release date of the Thunderbolt was never officially announced by Verizon so they are 100% free to decide when to actually release the phone. If a consumer picked up an iPhone thinking they could then trade it in for something better that's completely their own fault. If I was Verizon I too wouldn't let people do BS trade-ins like that.
21. itguy (unregistered)
You are more of a moron and an idiot (correct spelling).. You cant even SPELL!!! haha
I am just making an opinion, that's all... I know how business and capitalism work. I work for a company who uses Verizon services. That said, Verizon is good for businesses and not for consumers because they are way too overpriced compared to other providers.
Stop the name-calling and grow up...
14. willywill_evo (Posts: 162; Member since: 05 Jan 2011)
am laughing at all those stupid verizon people that bought the iphone...now you stuck on a two year contract with a old ass phone that AT&T had way before you....now you cant get the new iphone MINI or NANO this summer ..i say that because stupid fanboys dont care about what better...they only care about having the new and latest stuff from apple...even if it mean DOWNGRADING
15. roldefol (Posts: 2859; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Makes sense to me. If the full retail price of a 32 GB iPhone 4 is $750 and the full price of a Thunderbolt is $600, why should Verizon eat the difference due to buyer remorse? Buying and trading in a new smartphone should not be a snap decision. That's why sites like this exist.
17. Pheeeetus (unregistered)
It's our job as Verizon salespeople to educate on pros and cons. I've converted MANY iPhone desirees into Droids and some are waiting for the Thunderbolt. Myself included.. DO YOUR RESEARCH!! We ask people that come into my store why do they want an iPhone? None of them can give me 2 LEGIT reasons. Facetime?? The Thunderbolt will have that along with the ability to adapt to 4G PLUS is capable of doing voice and data simutaineously. $250 for 40GB??? The Droid X and Fascinate are still better phones than the iPhone and we prove it everyday..
20. tedkord (Posts: 4662; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
My sister-in-law has the iPhone on ATT. She constantly complains about dropped calls. When I suggested she switch to Verizon (which in our area has vastly better coverage), she stated she wouldn't because she couldn't get an iPhone (this was months ago). When I showed her some of the Android options available, and how they can do anything the iPhone does, she simply stated, "Yeah, but they're not the iPhone."
The iPhone is a great device, but it's not the only one - or, IMO, the best.
24. giantgnome (Posts: 67; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)
I swear it's like a cult. My friends and family with the iPhone pretty much say the same thing.
19. downbeat4 (Posts: 70; Member since: 03 Dec 2010)
Anyone who ran out and bought the iPhone is mindless anyway and should not have the fortune of rockin 4G LTE. "But I thought it was the iPhone 4G waaaaaahhhhhhheeerrrr"
26. hrvball5 (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
As a Verizon rep, I asked every customer why they wanted the iPhone and explained the benefits of the Droid OS. Many people have switched to the Droid phones. We have a list for people who wanted the iPhone, but now that list has just as many people waiting for the Thunderbolt. The Thunderbolt was never going to launch on the 14th, the Best Buy info that was on this site was incorrect. The in-stock date of the 14th just means that is the date that on or after the phones will hit the distribution center. The Thunderbolt is going to be sweet with 40GB of memory out of the box for $250. Verizon is holding off because Feb. 28th is the date that they officially launch Skype video chat available on their network.
27. seabreeze (unregistered)
I'm no iPhone fanboy. I just want a phone whose battery allows me to take care of my busy without needing to recharge it every 2 hours. I love android (had the Incredible) but until they solve their battery suckage, I will stay away. It SUCKS!!
36. giantgnome (Posts: 67; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)
First off, the Incredible has one of the worst battery life of all the droids out there. But at least you COULD carry a spare battery in the event it didn't last they day (usually with people who use the phone constantly and have it overclocked). My droid 2 is overclocked to 1.2 GHz, I use it constantly, and it can last a good solid 2 days.
iPhones have much better battery life, probably one of the best. But here's the rub... every single iPhone user I've met plugs their phone in to charge EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. Doesn't that mean that as long as your phone battery can last at least one day of really heavy use you're just fine?
37. LionStone (Posts: 447; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)
lol...my friend just sent me a screenshot from his ip4...i noticed his battery was in the red at 10a! Which isn't saying much...but I do know, no matter what you have, if you're on FaceBook all day, etc. it's gonna drain your battery!
However, the other day I noticed I went 12 hrs. on my Inc.(have extended battery in it). I used many features throughout the day, made/rec'd calls, browsed FB, used internet, used gps, downloaded this, emailed that...so...I guess some people are eXtreme users ;-)
29. theo14461 (Posts: 160; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
If they had bought their iphones from Best Buy, they would have 30 days to return, and/or exchange it for another phone, with no BS restocking fee!
32. Hawke9150 (unregistered)
Even though Best Buy has a 30 day return on their phones, they are still bound by the 14 day requirement that Verizon has in place to get out of the contract.
30. DJLegacy2k5 (Posts: 205; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
iPhone customers are the most uneducated of all! All they see is "iWhatever" and just assume that shiney means BEST, i guess.
Anyone that bought the iPhone deserves to be screwed over on returns.
I like how someone above this comments stated that their sister complained of dropped calls on ATT but the iPhone dropped calls were due to defective Apple hardware not the service provider lol Damn sheep!
40. LionStone (Posts: 447; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)
Had a funny feeling when there wasn't any Best Buy ads on Sunday for the Thunderbolt...nothing. Have a hard time believing that BB was gonna come out with VZW's 4g baby first! Exclusive retailer or not, VZW is gonna control this one and it sounds right that they want to wait for all the goodies to be in place before they do. I wanna say I can't wait, but really I can...and it's gonna be soo worth it!
41. downphoenix (Posts: 2302; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
like a delay would have had any impact on iphone 4 sales, itards will buy iphones and not return them, they probably never even heard of the thunderbolt.
45. snowgator (Posts: 3205; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Nothing like an iPhone post to get the discussion pages rolling. Us phone geeks LOVE to "discuss" the iPhone.
47. Slammer (Posts: 1000; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
Delay launches of other phones to maximize iphone sales?
This has got to be the icing on the cake. Why don't they just allow the customers to decide what sales will be maximized? I have friends waiting for the release of some of these products Verizon has announced. A sale is a sale for Verizon. Why does a customer have to wait for what was announced? Another carrier to cater to this stupid phone. Forget about what other potential customers or existing customers want. Just shove this damn iphone down their throats.
I swear, the more biased carriers and media get towards Apple, the more I dislike the iproducts. The redundancy is pathetic.
48. ABCD (unregistered)
The worst part is that anyone can go online and find out what's around the corner for new tech. Sure the info is sketchy sometimes but more often than not its fairly accurate. I'd like a longer exchange period too but let's be honest. If people did their research and found out what they want, need, (and can actually opporate) instead of giving in to mindless consumerism. ie: "I want the iPhone 4 with the wifis and the 3gs"
then companies wouldn't feel the need to make huge changes to policies so often, and everyone would be happy.
49. rickyheferle (Posts: 5; Member since: 13 Jan 2011)
Haha wow, I was going to get the iPhone on the 14th because i though the Thunderbolt was coming that day but I didn't i'm just waiting... HEHE
50. Matt (unregistered)
Both phones were announced before either was rolled out. So one simply needed to decide which one to buy before committing. If you want to try both just wait til both are available before getting either. From Verizon perspective it would be unwise to release two giants like these simultaneously. You can call it money hungry but they are un business to make a profit while providing us with great product. one way they do that is by not competing with themselves (ie releasing 2 signature products at the same time)
51. anonymus (unregistered)
Thats absolutley right! All those nerd looking-skinny latte drinkers-prius riders-tree hugers-mac user dusches who rushed to the VZW stores to get an obsolete 3g Iphone 4 will regret it once they see what the Thunderbolt is be capable of doing. And of course, they will be quick enough to put that blame back on Verizon....so lame. Assume your responsibility as a consumer! You made the descision to buy that phone! Deal with it! dont go back later crying like a little girl saying "oh VZW should've told me this and that....is not fair for the customers" yeah right! If you all have access to a computer you should've read the blogs to make an educated purchase, not just acting like a sheep and follow the rest.
And at the end of the day....that iphone is what you wanted, right? Is what you cried about for almost 3 years! So if you have it...keep it and shut up or pay the restocking fee and get the real deal....4G ANDROID POWERED PHONE!!! Enough said!!