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HTC One vs Nokia Lumia 920 vs 808 PureView: technical comparison

0. phoneArena 21 Feb 2013, 07:50 posted on

“The myth that the more megapixels a camera has the better the pictures, is a big fat lie.” That is how HTC daringly started talking about its hugely important HTC One…

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 13:42 6

187. Johnnokia (Posts: 388; Member since: 27 May 2012)


Dude,

Victor's articles are not nutrals at all. Just search for the his articles about Nokia or Windows and you will see his behavior toward them.

Watch his writing in the future and I will remind you.

Thanks for this nice review.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 13:56 1

190. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3515; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


I have been reading his articles for years. Victor can be a bit hardcore sometimes but I kinda like that. Remember in life you won't agree with everyone. There have been some articles that I don't agree with but those are far & few.

I keep up with Nokia & WP since I came from them. I had the epic BOSS Nokia N90 & had many Windows Mobile Phones. I really never got the feeling he bashes Nokia/WP.

I am going to reread some articles of his to see if I get that feeling of bashing.

Some people want him to be fired, & I do think that is a bit extreme.

Who knows maybe Nokia or Windows hurt Victor H's feelings. lol

+1

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 14:35 5

194. sbw44 (Posts: 301; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


Can you tell why does he moderate only positive Nokia comments? Like one was Nokia FTW!

This guy clearly has a thing against Nokia!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 20:09 1

220. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3515; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yeah I have to agree. That was a bit sketchy. lol

+1

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 15:14 3

195. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 947; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Victor H had written some incredibly stupid and biased articles in the past, and so he gets no vote of support from me. However, HTC's new smartphone does look very sleek, and kudos to them for incorporating better quality camera technology. Is it better than the Nokia Lumia 920, or 808? Maybe: the jury is still out, and time will tell if HTC has done more than just make a pretty shell for their latest flagship device...

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 18:35 1

210. papss (Posts: 3445; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Agreed dude... Victor H gets zero credit from me.. I actually find him generally very bias or swayed... They really should have someone else write WP or Nokia articles
With that being said though the HTC One is what I want in a phone and I hope the camera is as good as they hype it to be.. He'll depending on what Nokia announces I may get this phone..

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 20:26 1

227. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Evo, Victor, and Man,
Let's help the Nokians out. Nokia has the best phone camera in the world!, other then that, they are 3rd or last in everything else that matter in the cell phone world; there you go Nokians, happy?..lol

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 07:36 1

270. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3515; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


That is fair. I really can't say anything to go against the fact that Nokia makes the best camera phones in the world with out question.

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 02:34 3

255. lumia920 (Posts: 101; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)


+1 from me.

i am emphasizing only for real photo comparison.
dear if you think PA is not biased then try to read some of his recent articles about nokia and you will be find out, what we are talking about.

he bash nokia every where and as much as he can. and you know i admit one fact that he is a very clever, he attacks nokia technically.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 14:09 4

191. aco96 (Posts: 168; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)


Nokia 808 is the best because of xenon flash and lossless zoom. Phone can't be a good camera phone if it doesn't feature a xenon flash.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 14:28 2

193. sbw44 (Posts: 301; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


I dare you to a camera comparison with the 808 PA! and dont come with the crap that its a Niche device! So because it does not have a quad core processor, 2gb ram and a 1080p screen its not a smartphone? the main point is it has a camera, it has amazing call quality, good battery life, can multitask, can browse the web, has the best screen under direct sunlight, has over 100 000 apps, can do all the other crap iphone's and androids can do!

So I dare you PA! I dare you Victor!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 15:34 6

197. sbw44 (Posts: 301; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


"Bad news for Nokia is it has diluted its PureView technology with the Lumia 920. PureView started as a synonym for the Nokia 808 with its huge sensor and resulting amazing image quality. But later, with the Lumia 920 it evolved into a marketing term with little meaning. "

So what this guy is actually saying is that the 920 does not deserve the PureView branding? while HTC brings out Ultrapixels that also uses OIS like the 920, thats revolutionary? 920 has Floating Lens Technology, OIS, Pulse LED Flash and has actually proven it has one of the best low light cams but according to this guy it only uses PureView for marketing with little meaning!

You Victor H is an Idiot! Bloody hater

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 16:16 3

202. Android4u (Posts: 456; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)


You buddy need some help...it's a article....it's just a phone with a Damn camera in it.. I understand this is a phone site, but you sir are the idiot..why you making such a big deal out of his article? If you think your 808 or 920 or whatever the hell you have is so great...then Good For You...keep rocking it and don't let some writer on Pa cause you to become psycho..

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:12 4

243. sbw44 (Posts: 301; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


Excuse me, but this is not just about the phones itself its the blatant hatred this person has against Nokia and for to actually discredit the 920 saying its not PureView worthy is F$$king Absurd!

How on earth can they speculate which phone deserves what name etc? while HTC does the same what the 920 is doing(OIS), but they are revolutionary while the 920 is just ordinary according to him!

Just Imagine PhoneArena stating someting like the GS3 screen is not SuperAmoLED worthy but it clearly is, or the iphone5's screen is not Retina worthy while it clearly is!

But yes its obvious most Android Fandroids will be out here defending the One being it has android!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 20:11 2

222. -box- (Posts: 3566; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I agree about the PureView criticism being erroneous. PureView means whatever Nokia says it does.

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:16 1

244. sbw44 (Posts: 301; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


The main point is I was also out on the 920 deserving the PureView branding. But after it was tried and tested it proved it took the best low light photos so it proved to be PureView worthy!

But hey I forgot this the exact website that tested the 920 without the portico update also stating that its camera its not the best in low light while other sites like Gizmodo,GsmArena,Endgadget etc all said it has!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 15:38

198. nasznjoka (Posts: 223; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


I dont understand all these stories about HTC one what does it have to offer???? a camera?
that's not a good selling poing even if i see too much marketing even more than apple's.
they ve bought all tech sites to just talk about 'ulta what what*******' this 's hype and soon is gon be put under carpet

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 17:58 5

206. Edmund (Posts: 645; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


Um, the Lumia 920 absolutely demolishes the $hitty camera on the htc one. The only myth here is the one where phone arena think they're being impartial or even fair toward a vastly superior handset like the Nokia Lumia 920.

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 18:09 1

207. tiara6918 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


it's probably better to just wait for the review and image and video comparison between the one and the lumia 920/pureview before we start bashing each others opinions. Hands down for htc for introducing this new ultrapixel technology that will now start to put a stop to the idea that more megapixels means better image quality

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 18:27 4

209. Edmund (Posts: 645; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


You can write all the ...p imaginable to discredit the capaabilities of the Lumia 920 but at the end of the day the results speak for themselves

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-One-vs-Nokia-Lumia-920-vs-808-PureView-technical-comparison_id40042#4-HTC-One-sample

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-One-vs-Nokia-Lumia-920-vs-808-PureView-technical-comparison_id40042#10-Nexus-4-sample

http://www.flickr.com/photos/grandia/8479334474/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/grandia/8479319704/in/photostream/ (Full credit to Grandia for these amazing shots of Chinese Newyear festivities)

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 20:35 2

228. MC1123 (Posts: 1220; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


lol!! HTC one's low light photo is horrible!!! Lumia 920 FTW!!!! will wait for nokia EOS!!!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 19:10 6

213. CardiWPfan (Posts: 129; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)


pffft this is what Phone Arena is galivanting about. Puhlease HTC can keep their HTC ONE!! My Nokia Lumia 920 no matter how hard you try still kills the competition. Did I forget to mention that Nokia has 4 devices up its sleeve for MWC 2013 next week. HTC learn from the pro and go back to the drawing boards. Oh by the way Phone Arena you claim that the Nokia Pureview technology is diluted. I would like to contest that notion it is far from. Explain to me which competition comes close to Nokia's Pureview mmmhmmm?????????. Diluted my arse!! Nokia Pureview forever!!

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:30 2

249. MC1123 (Posts: 1220; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


agree!! N8 was still one of the best camera phone out there! its not even a pureview technology, and it took sony (nokia's rival in camera phone department) quite sometime to release Xperia s to be comparable with N8's camera! not even the S3 or iPhones can outmatch the quality of N8!

and Xperia Z isnt as impressive at all! coz i already saw the best with nokia 808 pureview and lumia 920 on low light!

this PA writer is android bias, they want to make android name to be good and better in every aspect! but its not even the best platform! popular, yes but not the best!! android is well supported by google and its a costumizable OS, but symbian do what android do as well and its even superior, non of the android phones are on pentaband, which is a good add-on by symbian so that you can use it anywhere in the world! and a lot more!! nokia just fail to support it and also support developers!! this is their biggest mistake!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 20:21 4

226. MC1123 (Posts: 1220; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


android folks are just jealous that their presious platform will NEVER get the PureView technology!!!!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 20:36 1

229. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Real hard core Android fans don't really give a flying fish about a camera on a phone, you are confused; we take comfort in the chipset power and the luxury we can switch out our Roms(make our phone look different from others), minor feature like camera and grided icon arguing, we leave that to people who have nothing else they can do or say about their lock phones...lol

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:20 6

246. MC1123 (Posts: 1220; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


lol chipset power, s3 is dying if you let 40-50 apps running on the backgroud! while nokia 808 PV with a 10 year old chipset and a mere 512 RAM can do this and not as crappy as the s3!

again, you cant really appreciate the 1080p on a 5" phone! it just looks the same withj a 720p or 480p phone, it is just a propaganda! you'll appreciate 1080p on a tablet 7" or 10" because they are bigger and they need that for people to appreciate android tablets!

nokia always release best looking device (and also weirdest, especially the ngage and that leaf phone) s3 looks like crap, feel like crap and a complete crap! the only good looking android are made by sony and HTC (next is LG) samsung wants to copy but they just make it look horrible!

costumize, symbian has that! and still one of the best costumizable OS, i could still remember that sony actually uses a symbian in a form of UIQ, it dont look like the symbian that is made by nokia, samsung or others, nokia just fail to support it and support developers, and with symbian belle, everything is beautiful for symbian! but nokia ditch it!

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:22 2

247. sbw44 (Posts: 301; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


Tell me exactly what do you use that quad core for in you androids? battery drain? need it for 1080p recording? benchmark scores? LOL lets see what droid has the best score on a worthless test! while ill take awesome pics of you draining your droids battery on all that stupid crap!

posted on 21 Feb 2013, 23:40 2

241. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 799; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Nokia best in design? oh please give me a break! I'd rather agree if you guys say that Nokia makes ultradurable phones, but design? mehhh.......

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:10 4

242. MC1123 (Posts: 1220; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


i think this is a HTC sponsored article, look at the source so they just copy-paste this from HTC's website!

it is true that megapixels dont matter, but i'll agree more to what will damian danning have to say. when he said that "its not about the spec, its about what you do to them" or something like that when people question him about Lumia 920's performance in low light because its not a xenon flash! it's proven that it's the best in low light, not even comparable to the competition (yes even 808 PV isnt better to the results of lumia 920 but its good)

while you could see on the sample pictures of one, not as good as they told us! there's a lot of noise on it!

i agree of what lumia920 said "barking dogs seldom bites" it dont make so much noise! it is still need to be proven if it will arrive on the hands of the reviewers and compare to lumia 920, N8, 808 or sony xperia z and iPhone 5!

about on your conclusion, "HTC One cannot compete with PureView as seen on the Nokia 808, but comparing the two wouldn't be comparing apples to apples because of the difference in size and thickness." i disagree, you can compare, remember 808 PV can capture 5MP size!

i guess PA will make everything good for an android! they wish for the PureView tech to ba available on their crapdroid platform! thats why they make nokia's tech bad! SHAME ON YOU!

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:32 3

250. bat400 (Posts: 2; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


"Theoretically, this means the HTC One has double the light sensitivity of Nokia’s Windows Phone flagship."

This is true. It will have double the light sensitivity and half the detail. With the same aperture and sensor size, exactly the same amount of light will hit the sensor.

What I find most frustrating is the way that people's personal allegiance to one platform drives their assessment of every new innovation. The platform shouldn't be important. What you can do with it should be the deciding factor. The reason I chose the phone which I use every day is because it offers the balance of build quality, camera, communication, app and productivity features for me. It was a rational choice based on my needs, rather than an irrational choice based on my prejudices.

posted on 23 Feb 2013, 04:41

288. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


Except for arguably two additional variables, this assessment is spot on:

1) OIS: The Nokia Lumia 920 uses a patented full camera module stabilization system, while HTC has opted for the traditional single lens approach. A more robust stabilization method would allow for longer shutter times in certain conditions and therefore incrementally more light to accurately impact the sensor. Which system is better...we shall soon see.

2) Optics precision.

Looking forward to an objective analysis of the comparative results, with raw data available to support said analysis.

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 00:39 3

252. shashi.map (Posts: 30; Member since: 16 Oct 2011)


Like it or not Nokia's PureView camera tech is the best out there.......also it's good to see HTC making an effort in the camera dept.
Wating for nokia EOS......FTW Nokia

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 01:30 5

253. bat400 (Posts: 2; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


Ok let's take a slightly different look at this.

The HTC One has a 4.0MP 1/3" 16:9 sensor with resolution 2688x1520. This probably equates to a physical sensor size of approximately 5.4mm x 3.0mm to give the 2 micron UltraPixel size. The total area of the HTC One sensor is about 16.3mm².

The Nokia N95 had a 5.0MP 1/2.5" 4:3 sensor with resolution 2592 x 1944. This probably equates to a physical sensor size of approximately 5.7mm x 4.3mm in common with other 1/2.5" 4:3 sensors. The total area of the Nokia N95 sensor is about 24.8mm², more than 50% larger by area than the HTC One.

And what of the UltraPixels? Well the N95 sensor pixels measure about 2.2 microns. And the Nokia N95 had Carl Zeiss optics.

That's right - the 2007 Nokia N95 had a larger sensor, larger sensor pixels, and better optics than the 2013 HTC One. It didn't have Zoe, though.

posted on 23 Feb 2013, 04:35

287. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


This is exactly why the tech media consistently fails when it becomes a megaphone for a company's marketing department...without doing any background.

IMO, nothing in this article suggests to me that HTC's approach is either novel or has set a benchmark.

That being said, it does help further Nokia's emphasis on "what is done with those pixels"...as opposed to only focusing on one number in the spec sheet.

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 01:31 1

254. belovedson (Posts: 821; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)


I'm still not seeing any quality pics from the samples presented

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 07:10

267. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1004; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


what if i dont want to use the ultrapixel mode on htc one? do i have the option for that? like 808 has the pureview mode etc.

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 07:46

271. lumia920 (Posts: 101; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)


i don't think so.

but the solution is possible.

very easy.....\

you just have to buy one x, and the ultra-pixel mode will be switched off, hope it works.
lollllllll

posted on 23 Feb 2013, 01:50 1

283. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1004; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


lololololol

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 18:09 1

280. Tarzan (Posts: 52; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


I had a GS3 4 months back and got myself a Note 2 which I'll be selling as soon as I get the HTC One which I have already pre-ordered, but I don't understand this sentence from the article

"Bad news for Nokia is it has diluted its PureView technology with the Lumia 920. PureView started as a synonym for the Nokia 808 with its huge sensor and resulting amazing image quality. But later, with the Lumia 920 it evolved into a marketing term with little meaning. "

There's no argue Nokia's camera technology is the best, while I like HTC's build quality but I'd never think for a second that their Ultra Pixel gimmick can ever make them a smartphone camera king.

Hate Nokia as much as you want but we all know who has the best camera lens and technology.

posted on 22 Feb 2013, 23:39

282. MC1123 (Posts: 1220; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


totally agree!! no one is allowed to question nokia's prowess in camera phone technology!!! even sony and samsung which make compact cameras and DSLRs cant compete with nokia on camera phone department..

btw why you have N9 as a photo if you got a s3 and note2

posted on 23 Feb 2013, 02:03

285. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


up till now, when it comes to camphones, I just don't know why people and other companies can't accept the fact...ONLY A NOKIA CAN EVER REPLACE A NOKIA CAMPHONE... there really is no space for pretenders....tsk tsk

posted on 23 Feb 2013, 04:27

286. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


Note that Nokia has always attempted to minimize discussion of its 808 PureView's massive sensor size in favor of focusing on "what it done with those pixels". Specifically, PureView 1 is set at a default 5MP output because, as Nokia has stated ad infinitum, this allows it to leverage quality over quantity while delivering a more convenient and practical file size (~1MB) for normal use. It also allows Nokia to leverage its proprietary oversampling algorthims to generate practically noiseless pixels, with virtual sizes of 4.0 microns at 5MP setting and 3.2 microns at 8MP. Note, both virutal pixels are signifcantly larger than the HTC One.

In addition, the N8 already demonstrated the benefit of larger pixels relative to the competition, with a massive 12MP that had pixels 1.75 microns in size.

Lastly. the OIS of the Nokia 920 is innovative insofar as the entire module is stabilized, not just one element (tradtional route). Admittedly, HTC would be mired in litigation if it chose to copy Nokia here, as PureView is ringfenced by over 70 patents.

I'm sure HTC has made a significant and meaningful step in the right direction, insofar as focusing on pixel level quality and what is done with those pixels. But nothing in this article suggests to me that this is approach is either novel or has set a benchmark.

posted on 23 Feb 2013, 21:38

293. alexzibrit (Posts: 67; Member since: 15 Jan 2013)


If you insist on Denying the fact that Samsung Makes Good Phones , then I am trully sorry for you, it's a fact, i'm not Saying Samsung's phones are the best and no one comes close, but I am saying that when they do real ease their flagships they are standouts and the best at that moment and can keep up with the competition that comes after, yes something better comes after, but of course it does, P.S. Samsung just doesn't add on cores and specs, cause if so their S3 would of been an 13mp shooter at it's release, Samsung spends most of it's time on it's Software and the extra features it can add along with what Android already offers, this is known since Touch Wiz has the most extra features out of any Ui

posted on 23 Feb 2013, 21:41

294. alexzibrit (Posts: 67; Member since: 15 Jan 2013)


And How Is it that you people are even talking about Samsung and how it copies please tell me one thing Samsung copied but did't radically remake and improve; which by the way is called being inspired by something, which is what every great Inventor in the world has done, so if you want to attack Samsung for that go ahead, but think about where technology would be if things like that didn't happen

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