HTC One vs Nokia Lumia 920 vs 808 PureView: technical comparison
0. phoneArena 21 Feb 2013, 07:50 posted on
“The myth that the more megapixels a camera has the better the pictures, is a big fat lie.” That is how HTC daringly started talking about its hugely important HTC One…
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19. amansingal14 (Posts: 300; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)
thanks for the red thumb fanboys, just telling you the truth as a professional photographer. (Using L920 for moments I don't have my Canon)
41. Victor.H (Posts: 502; Member since: 27 May 2011)
Fair points, but let's not rush the conclusions. OIS is one part of the story where Nokia might have an edge, but the faster shutter speed of the HTC One comes as an important advantage. So let's wait to see and compare samples before calling out a winner.
72. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
You have no idea how fast the Nokia 808 gets: 1/2747 of a second!
127. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
You forgot to mention lossless zoom among special features of 808. Which is one of it's most important features.
272. bon24x7 (Posts: 205; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)
there you go Nokia hater Victor...
32. Toivoja (Posts: 7; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
hmm... Nice comparison but will wait if the rumored EOS will pop out on monday.
I'm hoping that when doing the comparison on HTC one vs Lumia 920 vs 808 Pureview in photographs, you release the information on which version the phone is running in. This is because have read many reviews on 808 and turned out that the phone was running old software. Also as 920 got the Portico update and as amansingal14 said, it fixed algorithms and bugs.
40. amansingal14 (Posts: 300; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)
Thanks for acknowledging such a long comment...
35. preet27in (banned) (Posts: 173; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
AND BTW.... PUREVIEW... totally crap software and a heavy bricck? no1 wants it. rather ppl want a better built and beautiful looking designs and damn good camers all together?? nokia 808 pureview dosent stand good at all in terms of any of those components, except the camers. and future always waits dear. leave it to the future. not the PAST.
46. Toivoja (Posts: 7; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
808 was Symbians Sunset. It was how Symbian should have looked like for the touchscreens from the beginning. Altough the camera hump might push away some users, those who are willing to forget about it will have a great phone with a fast interface and very good quality... you know, you could even change the battery all by yourself. So it's not always about the raw power, it's how you use it. I think Bruce Lee (when he was alive) could kick Muhammed Ali's ass (when he was at his hight).
But you have your own opinions on hating Nokia's products...will respect them.
214. -box- (Posts: 3932; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I'd rather have an 808 PureView than a Galaxy Camera
234. MC1123 (Posts: 1252; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
totally agree!! loseless zoom is the best and without loosing its quality! while galaxy camera is BS!!!!
42. FireDragon (Posts: 107; Member since: 13 Nov 2009)
I am one of those who always say "Higher MegaPixels are just sales pitch (confirmed by Fujifilm years ago)" And while I am happy with 3mp smartphone camera I have to admit that 6mp should be the least in a smartphone. (I own N8 too by the way)
Because there are moments where pictures taken from 3mp phone-camera is not good enough to send out to print only because of its size, not the quality. You never know when you need to have it. perhaps not all the users will run into such situations but there has to be ^option^ for us too, because after all we are talking about Super Expensive High End Smart Phones.
50. shikroi (Posts: 187; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)
All I see is PA's continued attempt to shift attention away from the 808 towards competition that the One may be able to handle, despite the fact that htc implied they could best the 808. If Nokia were to release an infographic that claimed their devices were superior to the note 2 or the HTC one you guys at PA would be ready to tear them apart (like yesterday when you called nokia "hot headed" and "arrogant").
In the pixel size comparison PA deliberately left out the fact that the 808 still has a bigger pixel size than the 920 or the one, albeit virtual. All they mentioned was the fact that it has a bigger pixel size than the 920 and left it at that.
In the lens section PA deliberately left out the fact that while the one has a larger aperture than the 808, its probably a poorer quality lens the carl zeis lens.
The features section was the funniest. PA listed a bunch of features for the one which would be the equivalent of listing cinemagraph and its gif making, object removing capabilities as well as panorama as features for the 920. Not only that, PA left the features of the 808 at xenon flash, because apparently that's the only unique thing it can do. No mention of lossless zoom, oversampling, saturation adjusting,dedicated image chip etc. This framed the picture so the HTC appeared as the most feature rich phone.
All in all it seems you were trying to shift the attention away from 808 comparisons in attempt to save HTC's face after HTC called out the 808 pureview, insinuating that their camera would be better.
This is rather silly because this whole article started as a camera comparison between the 808, 920 and one. However all of a sudden the 808's camera didn't matter in this comparison because its thicker and heavier (as for being heavier; its only around 165g which is lighter than the 920). An under handed tactic used so that PA could figuratively toss it out the window and pit the one against something less formidable. This made me ask the question, is this a phone comparison or a camera comparison?
And to make matters worse PA went on to insinuate that the 920's tech is garbage. So the amazing low light photos and videos from the 920 now makes it a gimmick and not worthy of the pureview name only because it doesn't have a massive sensor. Even though its been said that pureview is about amazing new imaging technology; yet you guys decided to bring that up.
Either way if the intention was to compare the one to the 920, PA should have refrained from mentioning the 808 in the title, or anywhere else in the article. IMO the only purpose the 808 served in this article was to be overlooked and subject to indirect
understatements. It turns out that all PA wanted to say was that the one may prove to be formidable to the 920, sgsIII, note 2, ip5, etc. However PA didn't have to make a mockery of the 808 and 920 to do it. This came off as a butthurt response to the recent comments about the one's cam IMO.
74. Victor.H (Posts: 502; Member since: 27 May 2011)
shikroi, you might want to look at the world outside your conspiracy theory lens. Also, actually read the article first before jumping into fanboi rage. If you read it, you'd see that we've clearly indicated that the 808 has bigger pixels. We have also stated numerous times that with its larger sensor AND bigger pixels it is no match for the HTC One.
Next, "Its PROBABLY a poorer quality lens." We don't know about the quality of the lens and that's why we haven't commented on it. You obviously don't know either, but somehow want to convince us it's reasonable to post assumptions based on thin air?
Feature-wise, we've focused on OIS and the ImageChip, and you are right to mention there are more details about the HTC One. That is not intentional and we've given it this extra attention because of its novelty.
The 808 part of your post is a subject of opinion - the device is popular in its niche but you can't deny a 0.55-inch thick Symbian phone is a niche. Everything else is wishful thinking. We're genuinely excited about all the technologies mentioned, and this is a technical comparison, but we appreciate your opinion.
119. MarioGomez (banned) (Posts: 40; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Get a life troll and stop trolling and moderating every comment that disclose your hate feeling toward Nokia and Windows.
277. dr_fajardo12 (Posts: 107; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
shikroi destroyed u. simply in last cameraphone comparision sammy 3 was the best cam (despite the fact that iphone5 was way way better than sammy s3 before that according to pa and despite the fact that before that s3 was just a little better than iphone 4s). now the best camera phone is ONE. just one time won the n808. u r a joke pa.
57. Sarajevo (Posts: 38; Member since: 30 Nov 2012)
Technical comparison? You made comparation between two devices those showed its muscles and one device (HTC One) that stated that it has a muscles. But, nobody see it yet! So, when you will have pictures and videos taken from HTC One, compare them to PV808 and L920 and take and give us your conclusion. Of course, try to find L920 with an updated app for camera (where problems of fuzzy images are solved).
If these are pictures and video taken from HTC One above, it is not even comparable to PV808 or L920.
120. MarioGomez (banned) (Posts: 40; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Again , all comments supporting Nokia are moderated by the troll editor Victor H,
240. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
Then maybe you should try another site. Wouldn't that solve the problem?
235. MC1123 (Posts: 1252; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
totally agree!! PA and this editor are crap!! they cant accept facts!! they want to make android as good as it gets even though it is not what people think!! they want it to have a good image but in reality its not, its crappy and choppy, not as powerful as symbian and you still need 3000mAh to last 2 days!! while symbian is power efficient! 808PV just got all the best of it!!
61. DerryAhmad (Posts: 247; Member since: 05 May 2012)
I actually couldn't care less about the camera 'specs' of the phones given in the article.
I'm very curious on seeing the actual photo comparison between HTC One and Nokia Lumia 920.
Based on specs, One is the current contender of the reigning Lumia 920 in terms of low light photography in cameraphone. But we need to see the photo comparison before passing judgement based only by specs.
80. R-vjn (Posts: 165; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)
Being a photographer, the technical comparison of the HTC One's camera beats the competition.
Great F2.0 aperture (captures more light), and the lower no of pixels in the same sensor size as the 920 means there wont be noise during night shots with higher ISO, which the phone automatically selects.
Also the F2.0 aperture means the phone wont need to use higher ISO range because more light is passing into the sensor.
Overall, it looks great. But I'm waiting for a real world performance.
109. amansingal14 (Posts: 300; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)
Carl Zeiss lens vs HTC One's Usual lens...
Even Carl Zeiss' f2.8 lens could perform better than the usual f2.0 lens...
Still OIS in Nokia would tend to be better as the whole Optical unit moves instead of just the lens. Pixel Sampling technology in 808 tends to reduce any trace of noise and so does OIS in Lumia 920.
Also less than 5 MP would mean extremely small images, and the algorithms made by HTC are also criticized a lot, while Nokia has excelled its Algorithms in 920 after Portico update and 808's algorithm was already perfect...
100. Guarulhos (Posts: 39; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)
Erroneous And Incomplete Information !
Technichal Specifications Digital Camera 808 PureView PRO:
* Optical Assembly: Carl Zeiss Vario Tessar Wide Angle 26 mm
* Construction Lens: 5 Elements, 1 Group. All Lens Surfaces Are Aspherical
* Features Lens: One High - Index, Low - Dispersion Glass Mould Lens / Mechanical Shutter With Neutral Density Filter
* F-Number / Aperture: f/2.3984375
* Focal Length: 8.02mm
* Focus Range: 15 Cm - Infinity
* Iso Sensitivity: 50 - 1600
* Shutter Speed Minimum: 2,7s
* Shutter Speed Maximum: 1/2747s
* Flash: Xenon (3rd Generation) And Led (2rd Generation)
* Reach In Shooting Of Flash: Up To 4 Meters
* AF Light: Yes (Single Led 2rd Generation)
* Sensor: CMOS FSI TOSHIBA HES9
* Format: 1/1.2”
* Surface: 85,36mm² (10,67 x 13,33mm Or 8mm Diagonal)
* Pixel Size: 38 MP (1.4 Microns) / 8 MP (3.07 Microns) / 5 Megapixels (3.91 Microns) / 3 MP (4.89 Microns)
* Total Pixel Are Used: 7728 x 5368 - 41.4 MP
This Clarified, Understand:
Image Sensor 808 Is FSI, No BSI !
Pixel Size Is1.4 µm, Or Up To 4.89 µm, No 4.1 µm !
Lens Features Is f/2.3984375, 8.02mm, 26mm, 5 Elements, 1 Group. All Lens Surfaces Are Aspherical !
P.S: Therefore, Correct Information !
126. MarioGomez (banned) (Posts: 40; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Or you are correcting this information Victor ..
Or you are intentionally wanted just to bash Nokia
I really hate your faked and biased articles which are filled with fibs all the time.
Phonearena, Fire this troll Victor.
I'll report you to everywhere .,. until I see you out of here
132. Guarulhos (Posts: 39; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)
Thanks for the fast and accurate fixes, this proves that this site is seriously and always seeks fairness !
But they still lack correct:
808 is Wide Angle Lens 26mm, No 28 mm !
144. takay0 (Posts: 144; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)
really good article!! now its much more clear what is goin on!
i tottal agree with you!
and all those who said wierd things about you.. ignore them.. they just freakin love Nokia... they are actin like iSheeps... just nokia sheeps...
great article! keep it up!
150. pureviewuser (Posts: 266; Member since: 11 Nov 2012)
Why trash all the different phones? All phones have their good and bad points. As a diehard nokia fan and 808 owner accept that on my phone also. Just because I do not like the other phones makes them bad on the contrary nokia should take note of some of their features and improve their phones
180. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Wish i could give you a +10. All of these company inspire each other and all have their pluses and minuses. That doesn't mean we have to hate the other phone's technology. They all learn from each other and that makes all of them better.
151. Muayyad (Posts: 153; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
I'm actually surprised by all those comments which bash away the new era of "phone" camera implementation. First of all, HTC was able to produce a thin phone without a bump like the HTC one X. If the camera is better than one x in the one, I would say their argument is correct. Nokia's 41mp camera ended up making the phone a brick, I don't see the phone fitting in my pocket without making me look weird! I'm not saying Nokia's phone camera is not the good if not the best, all I'm saying we should give some credit to those who want to make our electronic life more enjoyable. Nokia is known to produce best in class cameras and HTC is known to be innovative and brilliant, at least they are not copying anybody's work like what will see in few months coming!
155. takay0 (Posts: 144; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)
agree.. on the page the HTC one is better than the Lumia 920...
yes i know the pureview 808 is thebest camera... but common.. its like compare the F1 and the new ford focus
154. MartyK (Posts: 729; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Thank you for at least explain how the ins and outs cellphone camera; I for one, do not care that much about the camera part, as long as it takes a very nice picture (remember these are phones not cameras).
You will never win with certain people over their beloved companies;thus, I came up with a method you should use to prevent these attacks on you. Criterias is what you needed to add.
Example: phones that sold x-amount, or phones in the past 6 months from today.
158. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
haha, htc just cant accept the facts. I remembered at this exact same event last year on the MWC, htc ceo announced on the same stage where Elop also was, that they had a 16mp crapcamphone, in an attempt to take away the crown from the then camphone king the n8. Elop was not even reacting. Turns out even their 16mp cam technology cant beat a 12mp n8. Then the very next day, nokia announces the pv808. Yes, everyone knew what happened then.
don't even compare any cameraphone-pretenders to the pv808 unless it is given a gold award by the same people who review and use dslr cameras... check out the gold award given by dpreview.com to the 808...then stfu...
161. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
As much as I liked how this article explained the technical aspect of the cameras. The comments from some of the Nokia users are really obnoxious....
162. kainy (Posts: 165; Member since: 10 Aug 2011)
As i recall, HTC called out Nokia on the Nokia 808, telling that the pixel count doesn't matter (quoting some editors at Gizmodo) and now we don't compare the HTC One with the camera flag ship? Well, WMC will come and new flag ship will be born to outshine the HTC One's "UltraPixel" camera :)
163. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
Before I start reading Pa thank You for this!
166. GALAXY-STORM (Posts: 328; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
Sorry I was late to the party! So what is the final decision based on best camera phone? Anybody??
192. Toivoja (Posts: 7; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Yeah... the Best cameraphone is.... Drumroll please... Siemens M65 :D
167. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 864; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
This is why I can't trust anything from you guys anymore when it comes to photography. You know absolutely nothing about it.
"The f number signifying the aperture of a camera is another important measure. The lower the f number the wider the opening through which light passes to the sensor. A wide aperture also allows you to use faster shutter speeds with adequate exposure, and that’s why we’d also refer to them as “fast.”
HTC has gone with a relatively wide f/2.0 aperture for a smartphone at an almost standard sensor size. Nokia’s Lumia 920 also has an equally wide f/2.0 camera.
What might surprise you is that the top rated cameraphone, the Nokia 808 has a narrower, slower f/2.4 aperture."
So because 2.0 means its wider, the 808 isn't as good because it has a narrower 2.4. Ha. Meanwhile, the brains who do this stuff for a living have figured out that you don't need an f/2.0 when you have a sensor as massive as that on the 808. The f/2.0 is simply compensating for a lack of sensor size in the first place.
173. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
The Nokia fans really seem to be scared of the HTC One's camera. Why don't we all just wait for picture comparisons before you guys burst a blood vessel or something.
178. sbw44 (Posts: 425; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
We are not scared at all! why on earth didnt PA do comparison against the 808? cause they scared the 808 would wipe the floor with the One
Plus why is it that whenever someone here post something about how nokia is better than HTC or the 808 better than the One they get moderated? while Fandroid idiots are not? Bloody Crap thats what it is
181. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Victor already said the One's camera doesn't compare to the 808, but that's just not enough for the fanatics. He admitted its better, what more needs to be said?
And again, the Nokia crowd bring OS into this whole thing, why? This is a CAMERA technical comparison! Why would I want to compare this camera with a camera with 10 times the amount of mega pixels? He's comparing the cameras on phones that are closer to the industry norm. What's so hard to understand about that?
Face it, the Nokia fanboys are really getting bad. The iOS fanboys started the over the top fanatism, the Android fanboys took it to another level, now the Nokia/WP are worse than both and the above comments are proof.
185. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Hey just chill on the Android Fan boys ok? Apple Fan boys are ALWAYS the worst. Nokia/WP Fan boys are not as bad as Apple Fan boys.
Sure some of these Nokia/WP Fan boys are having a bad day but they are NOWHERE near Apple's Fan boys.
Remember taco50 & 530gemini?!? lol
Anyways what up Whateverman? Long time no speak! :-)
196. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Ooooh, the ones we do not mention...LOL! What's up Evo, since I got you here, what do you think of the One? Nice, huh?! I was starting to lose faith in HTC, then they go and pull this beauty out of nowhere! What's a geek to do?
218. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
The HTC One is real sexy. It's one of the best looking phones I have ever seen. HTC is on a nice roll. First the HTC Butterfly J, then the HTC Droid DNA & now the HTC One.
I really feel bad mostly for Sony & the Xperia Z. I have been saying that the HTC M7, now the HTC One was going to kill it. What I didn't know was how bad it was going to kill it. I always said the Sony Xperia Z was 2012 tech not 2013. Everything the Xperia Z has I have been enjoying on my HTC Droid DNA since Oct. Of 2012.
I am going to skip the HTC One because I got my DNA rooted & overclocked. My phone is beast, plus I like that the DNA is almost the same size as the One but with a 5" 1080p screen instead. I really love my HTC Droid DNA its such a technological marvel & a pure pleasure to use before root. After root there is no describing.
I am sitting tight & patiently waiting for the Samsung Galaxy Note III. I am 1000% satisfied with my HTC Droid DNA.
HTC is making some damn good phones again.
256. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4144; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Have you read all of these comments? One or two said that Victor should be fired. I've never seen comments like that on here before, just rude. All taco50 was is an ignorant iOS fan that went about blindly hating Android, but I've never seen him actively go after the writers like that. I won't mention 530gemini because I can't recall his comments too well.
Don't get me wrong, I've criticized writers before, but to flat out say they should be fired is just uncalled for.
269. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
You are right. I agree with you 100%. To say some should get fired because they don't share your opinion is dead wrong.
I think they are just having a bad day. I can't remember the last time this happened.
177. sbw44 (Posts: 425; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
This is complete BS! Why is it everytime I see a camera comparison between Nokia and others PA always tries to make Nokia the worst where it clearly isnt! plus in the extra features section you mention all the features of the One but dont mention Floating Lens Technology in the 920 and you don't mention this in the 808:
Mechanical Shutter with ND Fillter
Carl Zeiss optics
Lossless Digital Zoom
Both Xenon and LED Flash
Custom Made Image Processor able to process over one billion pixels per second
Plus most of these Fandroids here complain about quad core cpu's etc but non of you care to mention that non of these quad core and dual core cpu's dont even support 41mp camera's but a old 808 with a old arm11 processor is able to capture 38mp photos! able to record amazing 1080p with lossless digital zoom and High Quality stereo Audio!
Just shows how Biased this website is! HTC was actually the one called out Nokia PureView Tech but now suddenly according to PA Nokia is hot headed! WTF? also I think comment will be moderated by this idiot! but we all know Nokia makes better Camera's
Just Wait till Monday For Nokia EOS at MWC! cant wait to see PA response, oh wait they already said companies should go HTC's path not Nokia's
179. Pyoung0560 (Posts: 26; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Why no comparison against the Iphone? Phonearena, Is it because HTC one is a better phone
183. Muzhhur (Posts: 251; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)
good try from HTC but it fail... the best option for HTC is to by nokias cameras and instal on HTC devices
184. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
This is the most entertaining article I have read on PhoneArena.com since the GLORY days of taco50 & 530gemini bashing Android because they were the most hardcore Apple fans ever. lol
Victor H. is really feeling the heat from Johnnokia, MarioGomez, & lumia920. When I read Victor H's article he comes off as professional & really never biased. I think people are getting bent out of shape because he takes a hard line on certain issues.
I REALLY think Nokia makes FINE devices, YES they make plastic phones but they are very sleek & sexy. Their cameras are EXECPTIONAL. People have to remember, technology ALWAYS moves & today's best will be tomorrow's worst. IF the HTC One's camera indeed turns out to be better than the Nokia Lumia's, is that BAD? Shouldn't tech move forward?
Everyone is very busy speculating about the HTC One without having a final unit to make final judgments. So far on PAPER the newer tech should be better & what I am reading about the HTC One's camera looks fabulous, BUT REAL LIFE photos will determine if indeed the HTC One has a better camera than the Nokia Lumia 920.
I really have to say that I have read every post & I have not been this entertained in a VERY long time. I always love the fan boy wars. I remember being in them myself.
I am an Android fan who has an S-OFF fully rooted HTC Droid DNA with my 5" 1080p HD SLCD3 display, overclocked Qualcomm S4 Pro w/ 2GB of RAM & with my F2.0 aperture camera that has the ability to do Google's cool Photosphere. So I am going to skip the HTC One & wait to see what the Samsung Galaxy Note III is all about.
HTC, & Nokia in my opinion make the best phones around & they both make the best camera phones also. Both are WINS in my opinion.
187. Johnnokia (Posts: 609; Member since: 27 May 2012)
Victor's articles are not nutrals at all. Just search for the his articles about Nokia or Windows and you will see his behavior toward them.
Watch his writing in the future and I will remind you.
Thanks for this nice review.
190. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I have been reading his articles for years. Victor can be a bit hardcore sometimes but I kinda like that. Remember in life you won't agree with everyone. There have been some articles that I don't agree with but those are far & few.
I keep up with Nokia & WP since I came from them. I had the epic BOSS Nokia N90 & had many Windows Mobile Phones. I really never got the feeling he bashes Nokia/WP.
I am going to reread some articles of his to see if I get that feeling of bashing.
Some people want him to be fired, & I do think that is a bit extreme.
Who knows maybe Nokia or Windows hurt Victor H's feelings. lol
194. sbw44 (Posts: 425; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Can you tell why does he moderate only positive Nokia comments? Like one was Nokia FTW!
This guy clearly has a thing against Nokia!