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HTC One selling well, but not as well as the Samsung Galaxy S4

0. phoneArena 05 May 2013, 01:55 posted on

A survey of 20 AT&T and Sprint stores in Los Angeles reveals that the HTC One is selling well, but not as well as the Samsung Galaxy S4; despite a nearly two week head start for HTC's new Android flagship model, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has out sold its aluminum clad rival and has been returned fewer times than the HTC One has...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:03 1

122. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


ok was staying out of it but as people know i cant stand arrogant muppets like you who with your fellow fanboys gang up on someone just to feel big, you talk about growing up yet you write crap like

''Hey kid is crying.....go to ur Mommy :P''

you seem pretty insecure maybe your the one with mother issues. plus the fact you go on about knowledge yet all you do is repeat the same as the others. he provided a link and in general just stated the fact samsung are notorious for copying yet you defend samsung like its your family. every company copys was one of your fellow fanboys defense. if thats the case you lot will have to get off your highhorse next time apple does the same......ofcourse you wont you will do the usual crap. you defend actions samsung do that you slate apple for its all double standards with your kind

so kid you can go cry but no one will care, i will wait for you to gather your fellow fanboys to come back with a reply

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:18 2

131. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 765; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)


Nyee the mother of xperiaDroid was hurt haha..
Cmon, d problm is d link doesnt provide any valid evidence. Cmon grow up people.

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:07 1

150. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


You're the one who are still a baby,

1. You have bad manners.

2. You have bad grammar and spelling.

3. I gave the link on my comment is because I don't want everyone thinks LG copy Samsung.

4. "The problem is the link doesn't provide any valid evidence?" Come on, have you read it properly?

5. You are a troll that wants to harm the others to become a troll like you.

6. Go poop yourself!

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:36 3

161. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 765; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)


Bad manners? Lol look at ur comment #5, who wants to bash and bash, aftr ur XZ came out from d great battle of flagships, now u want htc to beat samsung for troll reasons.. i am a person who is open to great flow of technology, i want htc one, gs4, upcoming sony honami and note3 but theres no reason for me to make invalid arguments :) if htc one outsells gs4 then i dont care,. U must learn

Spelling well i love shortcuts.. grammar ok english is not my native language can i ask the errors uve notced so i can learn pls hehe

Gave d link bcoz u dont want everyone to think that LG copies samsung? Or u want people to think that samsung copies haha

Valid evidence? Where in d artcle? Hidden? Haha

Sometimes ur amazed w/ samsung, and another artcle u keep talking w/ "samdung,....."" cheap plastics"

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:49 1

166. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Hahaha.......NO! I don't hate Samsung, like I've said earlier, I love every smartphone manufacturers.

I gave the link is because I know many people will misunderstood that LG copy Samsung, but you know, LG have been bashed a lot of times by the commenters in PA, I want everyone to be clear that LG is not a copier.

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:34

184. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 765; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)


U dont hate samsung then why some of ur comments in PA has "Samdung, Cheap Plastic etc"

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:45 1

193. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Those are for replying to the unfair Samsung fanboys, when Samsung fanboys bash other manufacturers, I will call them 'SamDUNG fanboy'.

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:40 2

190. ashisharbola (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


Now ur trying to be Moderate......and we didn't bash LG. I like LG device LG optimus pro Specificly

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:47 1

195. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


I didn't said you two bash LG, I didn't said that before!

I have a good idea, let's stop the arguing, we will be in trouble if we keep arguing like this.

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:19 3

173. darkkjedii (Posts: 12620; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Dang Xperia went hard on him with that one lol

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:27 3

137. ashisharbola (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


Have u read his comments? what he his saying that LG and Samsung will not sue each other cauz they come from same country......Seriously and am not any companie fanboy and please STATE what I have repeated

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:57 2

144. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


chaoticrazor, you're the best! Thanks man! Well done! :)

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:38 2

162. ashisharbola (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


And he is not nice to u just giving u shoulder so u can cry hahaha..... SYMPATHY. I feel sorry for u, LG has BRAINWASHED u man.

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:04 3

171. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Poor butthurt fanboy, go take a chill pill.

posted on 05 May 2013, 06:23 2

87. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 765; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)


Lol did d artcle contain a valid evidence.. if so then ill believe u..

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-trademarks-eye-scroll-and-eye-pause-are-they-smart-stay-2-0/
jan 2013 ^^^^^
feb 2013 g pro announcmnt

Abt dual shot mode, i cant say anything coz i dont have a valid proof(not a news quoting what LG said or samsung said)

posted on 05 May 2013, 06:34 3

91. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Even though Samsung copy or LG copy, no sue needed, cuz they're KOREAN.

posted on 05 May 2013, 06:41 2

93. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 765; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)


Huh?? LG said that when the gs4 is already on d market they will investgate such matters and make proper actions.. lets just wait and speak gunning words after that and not at this moment kid..
If LG wins, then sammy is crap, if not then everything will b sttled peacefully :)

posted on 05 May 2013, 06:51 3

98. ashisharbola (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


The Most common problem with the people is, that they think which device they own is the best in the world without giving a try to next thing......Everydevice has something for someone......

posted on 05 May 2013, 07:31 3

108. ashisharbola (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


Did ur teacher give u a punishment to write it several times that 'They will not sue each other. Coz they're KOREAN'.

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:14 2

153. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Stop the arguing man! God, you're freaking annoying!

This article is full-loaded with your arguments!

(sigh) Another butthurt fanboy!

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:33 4

159. ashisharbola (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


Woohooo.....it's clearly seeing who's a fanboy.......hey man do u now anything else abt LG and Samsung other than THEY WILL NOT SUE EACH OTHER CAUZ THEY R FROM KOREA. Have some manners and don't be CHEAP.

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:45 3

164. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 765; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)


Hes getting hot coz he cant say anything acceptble :)

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:57 2

168. ashisharbola (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


I don't know what's his problem why can't people accept nothing can't be perfect....I don't like people who misleads.....If u don't know something sit quiet rather than making FOOL of urself.

posted on 05 May 2013, 06:46

97. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Nokia Wp8 and BB10 will sell like cakes to™

posted on 05 May 2013, 06:56 12

100. rizevnarastek (Posts: 332; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


HTC One is everything your phone isn't:

* Aluminium unibody with zerogap molding
* Ergonomic curved back to fit your palm
* Stereo front speakers Beats audio
* Dedicated amplifiers for headphones and loudspeakers
* Ultrapixel camera that lets in 300% more light
* Recessed camera to reduce the chance of damage
* 88° Wide-angle 1080p HDR front facing camera
* ZOE photo-manipulation and picture taking
* A gallery brought to life with highlight reel and ZOE
* BlinkFeed keeps you updated with the world glancing your home screen in a blink of an eye.
* IR blaster to control your TV and provide you a guide with recomendations and reminders
* Intuitive, fresh and easy to use Sense 5 to make your phone look stylish, young and professional.

posted on 05 May 2013, 07:50 8

114. SleepingOz (unregistered)


LMAO!

* Aluminium unibody with zerogap molding
Again the aluminium argument, prone to signals drop, scratch, dent, bending and doesn't deal with physical stress well.

* Ergonomic curved back to fit your palm
GSIV also has a curved back, moreover, it's smaller and lighter making it more comfortable to hold.

* Stereo front speakers Beats audio
+1 for that but nobody actually listen to music from their phone speakers and beats audio is just a commercial gimmick. Still a plus though!

* Stereo front speakers Beats audio
Still cannot be compared to the WOLFSON DAC of the GSIV

* Ultrapixel camera that lets in 300% more light
Still, according to ALL comparisons between the One and GSIV camera, the GSIV has better camera sensor.

* ZOE photo-manipulation and picture taking
* A gallery brought to life with highlight reel and ZOE
I haven't used ZOE yet, but the GSIV has some pretty sick camera tricks too. Not to mention that the GSIV takes better picture.

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:12 6

129. WakaFlakaD (Posts: 371; Member since: 30 Apr 2011)


So did you get your GS4 yet?

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:34 14

140. ksenia (Posts: 25; Member since: 29 Apr 2013)


this guy SleepingOz works for Samsung everyone knows this about him on this site he is 24 hours trolling keep saying Samsung Samsung even thought he doesn't know what he is talking about he is like apple fanboys. Samsung fan boys are becoming worst than apple fanboys they are stupid

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:18 5

154. HouTexan (Posts: 316; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)


So, what about all of the HTC fanboys who come here and spew hate against Samsung? Are they paid by HTC? If an HTC fan says something negative about Samsung it's okay, right? Get real.

posted on 05 May 2013, 11:09 2

199. amats69 (Posts: 1129; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


oh wait youre talking about PAID FANBOYS? SAMSUNG do that! LMAO

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:49

165. WakaFlakaD (Posts: 371; Member since: 30 Apr 2011)


lol wtf

posted on 05 May 2013, 16:38 1

242. SleepingOz (unregistered)


So providing valid arguments is considered as trolling now.. Haha butthurt fanboys logic! Next time, if you want to argue, at least come with something that make sense!

posted on 05 May 2013, 13:15 6

220. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5647; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


ah, SleepingOz, only a Samsung Fanboy like yourself would see the stand out features of the One as an amusing prospect. :P

there's been no evidence to support that the One is prone to signal drops anymore than the S4 is. plastic has it's disadvantages too while it doesn't feel as good and substantial as aluminum. plastic scuffs up very easily and takes fine scratches from just every day use and plastic melts. i've seen it after living in FL.

the ergonomics of either device is really a subjective matter but i know that the S4's plastic build isn't doing it any favors.

i have a couple of very good pairs of headphones for my devices but i don't pull them out every time i'm about to listen to something on my phone and Beats audio is actually a positive thing. sounds that come from my DNA sound much duller when the Beats is turned off.

only the Exynos versions will use the Wolfson, the S600 version uses Qualcomm's sound processor same as every other Qualcomm powered device.

not all actually. the UM sensor has it's trade offs. not everyone needs the larger sized 13MP shots all the time. most people will just use their phone's camera to upload to Facebook or Instagram both of which would compress 13MP photos anyway whereas the UP camera still takes 4MP shots. very good ones that are at least a little comparable to ones from the top smartphone sensors at that.

ZOE and the S4's camera tricks are all just gimmicks that hardly anyone will even think to use when the time comes, especially with Samsung since they have such an overwhelming amount of them.

posted on 05 May 2013, 18:58 4

246. SleepingOz (unregistered)


"there's been no evidence to support that the One is prone to signal drops"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4uDtbhGk2Js

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2256555&page=2

"plastic has it's disadvantages too while it doesn't feel as good and substantial as aluminum. plastic scuffs up very easily and takes fine scratches from just every day use...
the ergonomics of either device is really a subjective matter but i know that the S4's plastic build isn't doing it any favors."

The glossy polycarbonate body of the GSIV might not be immune against scratches but it will never be as bad as the aluminium body of the One. And you can always replace the back cover for like $3.
"Substantial" feel in hands is subjective but ergonomics ain't! And ergonomically speaking, lighter, more compact body is definitely a win.

"and plastic melts"

Polycarbonate ain't that cheap thin plastic that's used for plastic bags! In fact, polycarbonate is well known for having heat resistant and flame retardant properties.

"Beats audio is actually a positive thing. sounds that come from my DNA sound much duller when the Beats is turned off."

Beats Audio is just a gimmicky equalizer software, DSP is much better. I'm pretty sure HTC puposely reduce the quality of its sound on default settings to give Beats Audio some importance to audio-noobs hipsters. Like Sony with its Bravia Engine. These are well known commercial tricks.

"only the Exynos versions will use the Wolfson, the S600 version uses Qualcomm's sound processor same as every other Qualcomm powered device."

Well, idk about the qualcomm chip but I'm talking about the Wolfson DAC found in the i9500 model. It'll drive any headphones better than the One. I suspect the One to provide a louder sound but the Wolfson DAC will provide a fuller, richer, more balanced sound. No wonder why Wolfson DAC are so popular among audiophiles.

"not all actually. the UM sensor has it's trade offs. not everyone needs the larger sized 13MP shots all the time."

Again, how does this change the fact, proven by ALL comparisons, that the GSIV takes better photos(even against the recent camera update of the One, Seehttp://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-and-galaxy-s4s-cameras-go-head-to-head-after-software-intervention-check-out-the-samples/)? And I'm not talking about the MP count here! Some reviewers even go as far as to say that it's has the best camera in the android realm.
The only category where the One managed to win, is in low light environments.

posted on 05 May 2013, 20:16 1

250. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 765; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)


Bang! SleepingOZ theyr still researching their valid arguments haha

posted on 05 May 2013, 21:14 1

254. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5647; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


Sprint phones aren't great at keeping a signal in general. Sprint's network uses a higher pitched signal that makes it difficult to pass through dense surfaces so yeah, i guess that's a factor when you're shopping for a phone on Sprint unfortunately. if you'll notice everybody with issues to report in that thread had a Sprint One.

based on what? i've owned plastic and aluminum phones alike and it's always the plastic ones that look crappier and crappier over time. both are really subjective but most people aren't going to mind the extra heft in exchange for something that feels more premium in the hand. even Samsung realizes this and are trying to shift to the use of aluminum or something of the like for their future handsets. i prefer the heftier, tank feel myself.

i don't buy it.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-melts/

my mom had a Droid Charge with a melted corner because she had it up in it's car dock too long with the FL sun out. i wouldn't take a chance with doing that with another Samsung.

i have DSP on my MAXX HD now because i'm running Pac Man. it doesn't sound any better than Beats Audio at all. you're pretty sure HTC purposely reduced the quality of its sound on default settings to give Beats Audio some importance to audio-noobs hipsters...yeah, you're gonna have to do better than that. you're just trying to knock Beats Audio for no good reason.

i know that but the majority of S4's are not powered by the Exynos 5. Exynos 5 powered S4's are even slightly more powerful than the One but these things aren't going to be a factor for most people.

again, not all. there's some comparisons i've seen that see it more like i do and that the One is the more balanced performer. yeah, the S4 takes better looking pictures when there's enough light but my original point still stands.

posted on 06 May 2013, 10:53 1

265. SleepingOz (unregistered)


jeff mallari 4 days ago

"just tested my ROJERS Note 2 beside my ROJERS HTC One. My Note 2 was getting -97dBm and my HTC One was getting -106dBm. this was with both phones down on the table. when I picked up my HTC One it went to -111dBm so even with out blocking the white plastic on the lower left, the ONE already has weaker signal than the Note 2 and holding it in my left had does make it worse. I guess that's the reason Samsung sticks to using cheap plastic."

BrianBaker 1st May 2013, 03:44 AM

"Bars or no bars.. For me it was simple.. I didn't have 4G in areas with the One that I did with my other phone.. So it went back."

You asked for evidence, I provided evidence.. =]

I've also owned plastic and metal phones.
The stainless steel of my X1 was a scratch/dent magnet.. So was the aluminium unibody of my N8. My black GSII on the other hand, is still intact.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/melted-samsung-galaxy-s3-was-a-hoax

The owner of this GSIII(dilo2k10), admitted that his phone was microwaved by one of his friend. Try to put aluminium in a microwave for 30secs and see what happens. LMAO!

I'm pretty sure the Droid Charge isn't made from polycarbonate, dude. Polycarbonate's melting temp is about 230~260°C. Unless you live inside an active volcano, you will never encounter temperature this high!

Really, I'd really like to see those comparisons. Any link?

posted on 06 May 2013, 12:01

266. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5647; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/667722-new-galaxy-s3-poor-signal-reception.html

http://forums.androidcentral.com/verizon-galaxy-s-iii/210167-gs3-signal-reception-joke-should-have-known-its-samsung.html

we can keep swapping stories of isolated incidents all you want to but that's all they're going to be, isolated incidents, not evidence of a design flaw. i've yet to see a review that indicates poor signal performance from the One.

well i guess it's just your word against mine but the reality is the majority is sick of the plastic.

i may just do some testing on that with an SIII backplate i have around here and get back to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIV1TRt0Bqk

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/04/23/samsung-galaxy-s4-review/

there was one more that specifically specified the One being the more balanced performer but i can't remember what it was...

posted on 05 May 2013, 21:47

256. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Well said OZ, but surely Kingkurogii has knowledge on that,and so do i™

Who ever comes on PA or GsmArena is informed®

posted on 05 May 2013, 19:25 4

247. SleepingOz (unregistered)


Btw I might be a Samsung fanboy but I always come with valid arguments to back up my comments.
And that's the main reason why they seem to annoy you.. lol

posted on 05 May 2013, 21:15 2

255. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5647; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


and you're saying mine aren't?
no, not really. i just saw a lot of one sided Samsung bull that annoyed me.

posted on 05 May 2013, 07:55 7

117. voxmarc (Posts: 319; Member since: 22 Aug 2012)


-its not unibody you idiot,unibody is like lumia front and back no gap...htc one has a plastic gap its like aluminum back panel and front speaker cover and plastic gap all around.
-ergonomic as far as i know all of our customers find the s4 mo ergonomically sound than your beauty queen.
-shut up with your over rated beats audio have you check both audios? well not...i did and its not as loud and hard as you might think.check GSMArena audio comparison.
-answer to that wolfson ask beats if they are better.
-yeah coz 4 mega pixel or ultra pixel as you call it gets in more light because of lower pixels.Google that.
-recessed camera yeah because the module is thinner because its 4 ultra pixel...but not as thin as S4 with 13 mega module on it...do the math.
-they both have the same FOV but s4 has more detail on it.
-ZOE vs Story Album better.
-S3 have it S4 do have it and better..
-its like flipboard but flipboard on s4 is better because of airview.
-same.
-easiest is touchwiz period.
-and Finally all those features you call Gimmicks,which i think is what people do when their phone doesnt have those ability/features.
-not bragging but i own a mobile small shop that sells mobile phones here in hk honestly HTC ONE hardly sells and the S4 i am out of stock,re supplies tommorow.
-FACT S4 is wayyyyyyy betterrrrr.....

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:16 4

130. WakaFlakaD (Posts: 371; Member since: 30 Apr 2011)


Well, in overall performance and based on previous success, GS4 have a huge lead. HTC one is in no need a bad device, indeed it is very capable on its own, but its no Samsung just yet. Galaxy series had been a success since the first one and it just works very well since. Where's your store in HK?

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:19 1

132. voxmarc (Posts: 319; Member since: 22 Aug 2012)


wanchai and mongkok...

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:22 1

134. WakaFlakaD (Posts: 371; Member since: 30 Apr 2011)


Uh ok. So when you guys have it in stock tomorrow, how many phones do you get usually? I am just curious. I was born in HK haha

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:57 1

196. voxmarc (Posts: 319; Member since: 22 Aug 2012)


from 50 to max 100 hard to get more,the high demand in all of asia is huge higher than the s3 so it takes time...btw this order is 2 weeks old....so you know the demand.

posted on 05 May 2013, 07:38 3

111. voxmarc (Posts: 319; Member since: 22 Aug 2012)


you guys want to buy HTC ONE go here in hk its alot...but if you want S4 you gotta wait...it is selling like hotcake i know coz i have a store here in hk the demand is way too high.

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:24

135. rgxVOiD (Posts: 435; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


oh! havent seen you in a while. How are you?

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:28 1

180. rgxVOiD (Posts: 435; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


What's with the thumb down? I was just saying hi to mah best frienz

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:59 3

197. voxmarc (Posts: 319; Member since: 22 Aug 2012)


i'm fine...red thumb from butthurt htc fans...reality bites and it bites HARD!

posted on 05 May 2013, 11:11 3

201. amats69 (Posts: 1129; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


LOL! youre a victim of Fanboys! so next time just send a private message to your friend instead of posting your "hi" here. LOL

posted on 05 May 2013, 12:21 3

206. rgxVOiD (Posts: 435; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


People on PA needs to update their Joke-o-Meter detector

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:11 2

125. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


hahah @ all the people saying HTC one was doing better then the gs4

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:12 1

126. amalchummar (Posts: 6; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


but as the markets show samsung beatn htc...well thats bec their a big company leadin in the andriod world for some years now, so most people(NOT GEEKS) will prefer samsung over htc...people luvn build go with htc and people luvn features go with samsung!!! =D

posted on 05 May 2013, 08:40 8

141. app_droid_soft (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Sep 2012)


s4's gimmicky features are helping it outsell the one....samsung are the best at marketing

posted on 05 May 2013, 12:48 1

212. Taters (Posts: 3598; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


It is outselling the One because it doesn't have flaws that make you pull your hair out. Samsung flaws you can turn off or just ignore. HTC flaws you need an update that is 3 months, at least, away. Or can never be fixed, stupid button layout. You do the math.

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:08 3

151. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 850; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


R.I.P Htc One and Xperia Z.

posted on 05 May 2013, 09:09 1

152. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 850; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


R.I.P Htc One and Xperia Z.

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:26 5

176. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


But they both run on Android, why the hate?

BB10 &Nokia Wp8 should be on the RIP™

posted on 05 May 2013, 10:26 7

178. rgxVOiD (Posts: 435; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


Troll meets troll

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