HP calls it quits with webOS
0. phoneArena 18 Aug 2011, 15:30 posted on
After lowering its estimates on 2011 revenue, HP dropped the hammer by announcing that it "discontinue operations for webOS devices"; the company will try to optimize the value of webOS, which was the key behind its purchase of Pam last year for $1.2 billion...
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1. bossmt_2 (Posts: 445; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Crazy, I think webOS is great for tablets and netbooks.
16. quakan (Posts: 1313; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
It was but it lacked in marketing. I bet a lot of consumers have seen the ads but I bet few knew much about it so they either went ahead and bought an iPad or an Android tablet. Apple or Google should buy the OS from HP and just incorporate the best features of it imo.
27. MATOZ (Posts: 73; Member since: 10 Aug 2011)
They realize that Andriod sells more than webOS, im just saying...
That's the point!
2. protozeloz (Posts: 5392; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I would love If the G company hires some more webOS devs they could help the OS grow a lot
3. rwolf1984 (Posts: 525; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
FINALLY!!!!! Tired of customers asking for Palms and Pres...Sux to be HP they wasted a lot of time, money and market share trying to be Apple...
4. IEatApples (Posts: 66; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)
About time. Webos might of had a shot if there marketing had been stepped up. Rim is next, then we have a 3 horse race. I really hope wp7 can compete because I really don't want to see an apple android only market.
32. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
MS is going to have to step up its game if it hopes to play in the smartphone OS market. 600K units in a quarter is not the stuff of market success. It has been what - 2 successive quarters in a row with 600+K unit sales? If the quarter ending 9/30 posts the same 600+K unit sales numbers, start writing off WP7.
Right now, MS is making more revenues licensing their patents than from sales of WP7. Maybe they should start beating the drums on WP8 to distract from the sales failure of WP7.
35. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
First off, I believe you had your numbers wrong, or you are not taking Europe into account--wp sells a lot better there... and have u even seen wp7? the mango os is basically the competitive one--it seems like until now it has been a large beta...
And how can you say wp7 is a failure when it has more apps than either android or iOS at the time and has more market share than webos.. microsoft is just getting started... they have shown their commitment to wp7 unlike hp and hopefully they will succeed
5. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
Android and iOS are top dogs and Windows is a top cat.
33. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Er, I am thinking that WP7 is a top mouse.
7. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Google should totally buy them up and take some of the bright points of WebOS and add it into android. That would differentiate android and iOS even further (with android waaaaay ahead in features and usabilty just like it is now :) ) Im sure whatever patents Palm had would be useful in that anti apple litigation thats going on as well since palm has been around forever.
13. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
It'd be Google doing what they do best - cashing in off someone else's property.
21. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no no.. miz.. we call that "apple". suing everyone else because they are more successful or are taking away your customers because they have a better product. lol.
25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
How's android OS "way" ahead of iOS? Considered their OS is basically a copy of iOS. I guess the constant force closes differentiate it so consumers don't get mixed up.
30. zuno gyakusatsu (Posts: 257; Member since: 16 Mar 2010)
Force close errors are a feature of android devices. Just like constant power cycling, "possessed" home screens, and lag.
36. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Exactly. I completely agree with remixfa. WebOS had the best multi-tasking GUI ever invented until now. That, coupled with it's smooth curves in it's GUI could benefit Android greatly.
Perhaps Google will buy just what's left of Palm. I mean, why would HP need the Palm employees now anyway?
Oh and zuno and taco are idiots. Or blind. Or both.
34. droidnator (Posts: 87; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)
Thumbing up your own posts, taco? Pathetic. But to answer your question (How's android OS "way" ahead of iOS?) - Android is ahead of iOS... in EVERY WAY. That's how.
And no, burrito, it's the other way around - iOS is copying Android. See iOS 5.
8. I am Right (unregistered)
People are MISREADING this! It says only that hardware is going away. They might keep webOS and license it out like Microsoft with WP7.
19. WP7Fan (unregistered)
You are correct but the problem is who is going to buy it. I dont see any major company except maybe samsung even attempting to pull through with it. Even if a smaller company picks it up it wont be probably state side for a very long time.
Its sad cause I honestly like webOS. Homebrew was fun and it by far was the best multitasking os of all the smartphones. I think the Pre 3 could have made a splash in at least having it be looked at seriously.
But let that be a lesson hopefully to others. Bad marketing and lackluster hardware will be the downfall in the smartphone industry.
22. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
my guess is one of the big 3 OS's buy it.. for whatever patents that Palm has + the ability to integrate the good parts of WebOS into their OS.
28. MATOZ (Posts: 73; Member since: 10 Aug 2011)
Patents are now useless for HP using Palm things!
37. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
My guess is HTC will buy WebOS, now that Google is killing their market by making their own Motogoogle phone
39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
whats your source for that peter?
google isnt doing anything thats going to hurt thier market... especially by pissing off their big suppliers.
google makes money by adds, not by hardware sales, they would only screw themselves by trying that. geesh.
41. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)
Google may be trying a new approach with the acquisition, Everyone hates ads, and Google must know this. Hardware sales may be the next step.
38. lp_522 (Posts: 25; Member since: 31 May 2011)
No one is going to want to touch it. Great OS but it was poorly marketed.
10. Jay (unregistered)
All they needed was AMAZING hardware. HP is known for there Computers. And they are the dominant ones in the Windows PC realm. They could have easily created hardware to blow the others away even APPLE! HP & APPLE are at the same level when it comes to the shear size and production. Come on HP don't give up yet. The Touchpad hardware sucks, so does PRE 3 and VEER. You released last years tech this year. NOT GOOD! They gave up way to quick. Web Os has alot of potential.
11. Man2006 (unregistered)
I hope they embark onto Windows Phone 7!
12. M0nkeyBr (Posts: 77; Member since: 13 Jul 2011)
I think Rim should try to get it and put it on blackberries with a update
14. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1183; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)
This is pretty sad. I don't have or really care about WebOS but just the idea of losing a ambitious competitor in the smartphone world is pretty disappointing. I want more options that just Droid or iPhone.
15. ArmageddonX (Posts: 96; Member since: 11 May 2011)
This is what HP/Palm gets for lying to it's legacy device customers about webOS 2.0. Good riddance. We tried to warn them...
17. christianqwerty (Posts: 467; Member since: 05 May 2011)
WEBos is a great os :(. they should have made a Palm Centro 2 or a Palm Treo pro with WEBos on it. would have been killer since treos and centros were the main smartphones in the begining
18. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)
Palm had its day... and that was back in black and white PDAs... Even then they couldn't compete with MS 6.5 and BB.
They had a shot when they first released it, MAYBE had a shot right when HP bought them out (I personally think they were dead then).
HP waited to long, and honestly I don't think HP had the proper experience to release a big consumer phone/device OS.
They can do some server software, some desktop hardware.... They didn't stand a chance against MS, Apple, Google, RIM. EVEN if they had the BEST OS in the world.
20. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 968; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
old legacy hard ware killed palm....that little ass screen, and that stupid portrairt slider killed it before it was even sold.....I tried the web os Pre and had there been better hard ware it would have made it......old legacy out dated hard ware failed it just like the BB is failing today because of legacy hard ware
23. snowgator (Posts: 3462; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
i 've got nothing. This shocks me. Thouvht for sure HP would just drop phones and go headfirst into tablets. I do hope someone who needs the platform goes for it. I just do not think most companies can do both software and hardware anymore. What a sad ending for WeBOS.
24. GeckoHA559 (Posts: 47; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
The reason for letting it go has nothing to do with webOS. The release date's are always delayed. They haven't even released the veer and pre3 in all countries they were expecting to release and already they have given up, its their own doing. I would have liked to see another bar/slab factor webOS phone but it looks like this isn't going to happen now.
26. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)
everything started out as OS wars...now its coming down to patent wars? smh...this is becoming as senseless as 3D smartphones.
29. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
A sadly ignominious end for a great OS. I want to see it survive somehow. It deserved way better than HP.
42. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)
HP was in as good a spot as any to make something out of it, no?
31. lalalalal (unregistered)
so the pre 3 wont come????
43. rex1213 (Posts: 77; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)
Now this is the danger being brought by hiring ex-Microsoft employees. Companies such as Nokia and HP (and in the past up until now - Yahoo, Novell and VMWare) already are suffering the consequences of hiring staff from the evil empire.
For instance, Nokia's current CEO Stephen Elop (a former Microsoft head of Microsoft Office line of products) has already killed MeeGo OS which is based on Linux. And now it is HP's turn. WebOS, as we know it, is also based on Linux. And no doubt, Microsoft did such thing as "Entryism" at HP to kill WebOS. Yes, Microsoft is evil. They will kill every competitor supporting Linux.
Let's all hope Samsung doesn't get targetted for their Bada OS (which is based on Linux kernel) or Intel for holding on with MeeGo. And also Google, which HAS and WILL ALWAYS BE Microsoft's biggest challenge because of its Android OS based on Linux, too.
Hope Nokia and HP will survive and their board understand the dangers of appointing executives from Microsoft.
In short, Microsoft is currently doing an INDUSTRY-WIDE HIJACK.
44. AlwaysHonorLegacy (unregistered)
Palm had a bizzilion loyal legacy users that could have and wanted to move to WebOS but were purposely frozen out of WebOS simply because palm didn't let them sync up easily with ten years worth of data. Rather they forced them to the cloud which was a half-assed transition. How in hell did they decide to orphan all the user base for some half assed attempt to emulate iOS. Dumbs**t move by underemployed MBA bean counters. Meanwhile folks like me are buying up Treos on ebay because theres nothing like a Treo for daily business use.