Google upset with Samsung for favoring its Tizen powered watches?
0. phoneArena 17 Jul 2014, 22:20 posted on
You knew that it would eventually come to this. Google's Larry Page is supposedly upset with Samsung for putting more time and effort into the latter's Tizen powered smartwatches, than the Samsung Gear Live timepiece. That wearable is driven by Google's Android Wear platform. Page and Samsung Vice Chairman Jay Y. Lee apparently had the kind of meeting where you would want to be a fly on the wall...
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1. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 820; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
Google should know who made Android popular in the 1st place, go outside and simply ask one person what's their 1st android phone i bet 80% of chance them will say Samsung galaxy.
As much as i welcome google announce android one project to boost mediatek sales, but in the same time this act has betrayed your biggest partner.
besides, whats wrong for the tizen smartwatch? give me 10 advantages for having android watch over tizen watch otherwise there's no reason to be upset about, it just a watch in the end
6. sgodsell (Posts: 2591; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Android wear is better then tizen on a watch for a few major reasons. Development being a big one. You can use Android studio and now just recently there is a documented way to use eclipse to develop wear apps now. Also Android wear is bringing something very unique, that no other smart watch has brought to the table. With all other smart watch apps like pebble, Sony smart watch, Galaxy Gear smart watches. Everyone writes standalone apps for their smart watches. Now along comes Android wear. You can still make stand alone apps for Android wear, but it also brought the capabilities to inject wear code into your existing Android phone or tablet apps without the need to make a new app from scratch. Just look at the Camera app from Google on the smart phone. It sends cards to the Android wear watch, so the watch can act as a remote for the camera. There is no camera app on the watch. The same holds true when you are playing music, the wear watch can control your music, and there is no app on the Android wear watch. This is really unique and this means developers can add real function and capabilities to their existing apps with very little code being added to their existing phone or tablet apps. No wonder why we are starting to see a lot of apps take advantage of Android wear.
9. sgodsell (Posts: 2591; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
I should have stated that I have 2 smart watches already. A Gear Neo running tizen and a Gear Live running Android wear. Personally I prefer the Gear Live because it has more potential then the Gear Neo. I like the Gear Neo because I can take phone calls on the Gear Neo, plus it has a built in universal TV remote. The Gear Live has better voice interactions then the tizen Gear Neo. I hope Samsung puts an IR blaster and a speaker on their next Android wear watch. That would make it perfect.
23. AwesomestMaximuss (Posts: 142; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
Well, better apps can be made for Tizen powered Gear than Android wear...as tizen(or android used on first gear) is a full OS while android wear is just a notification delivery system. While i agree with u that possibly most developer ll choose android wear but tizen has more potential. Android wear has no more capability than ur notifications in ur notification panel. On the other hand first Galaxy gear could run even games on it.
32. sgodsell (Posts: 2591; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Wrong, about Android wear being just a notification delivery system. Its is that, but you can also write stand alone apps as.well. With tizen your only choice is just stand alone apps. Also with Android wear developers can just change your existing Android apps and add wear functionality without the need to create a whole new app. This means it will be faster to make apps for Android wear, then it can ever be on tizen. However developers can still make stand alone apps as well for wear. There is a few games already on Android wear.
38. phonetekmek (Posts: 70; Member since: 04 Oct 2013)
While Samsung did help the popularity of Android, I'd tend to think HTC was probably the phone of most early Android adopters. HTC G1 (first android phone) and HTC Evo (First flagship Android) Not to mention the Hero as well. HTC dropped the ball making it easy to forget it's place in Android history. They should be in the position where Samsung is now, but that isn't going to happen.
41. Ashoaib (Posts: 2976; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
why google is upset? it is their watch, they can use whatever they want and if customers like it then whats wrong in tizen?... is it obligatory to use android on everything?
2. i.cent90 (Posts: 26; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Samsung is d backbone n brain of Android success, sony htc, lg, moto, etc ar all Maybe d hands or legs or waist n dey al mak up android to matter what. Luv al android manufacturers
3. joey_sfb (Posts: 4607; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Its OK Samsung. I can choose other brands like Xiao mi phone. Cheap and good.
4. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
This will be good medicine for Google.
Results will take time to show.
5. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
The party is over.
It looks bad for Android for upcoming years for various reasons.
Sammy's chief designer already flew out due to GS5's failure, many of the highest ranking officers will join him next month, probably including the CEO.
And now this.....
10. hurrycanger (Posts: 1536; Member since: 01 Dec 2013)
Tizen started the war.
Now Tizen will fight with the Android.
You should go.
20. Tizen007 (Posts: 575; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
You forgot "War has already begun"
Man I'm pumped for the sequel to that movie.
Anyone else think the navy ship that is supposed to come for help (featured in the trailer) is loaded with apes?
37. William13 (Posts: 27; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)
Lol Tizen is a joke just like TouchWiz. Gee, what's the worst part of Samsung phones? The hardware is definitely top notch but TouchWiz is the 2nd worst UI out there (only Sense is worse), so let's build an OS off that? Sounds brilliant. There are plenty of other device manufacturers ready to fill in if Samsung leaves. They had nothing until Android came around aside from awful Windows phones and basic phones. If Android never came out Samsung would be very far down on the radar and iPhone would be destroying. I'll be happy if Samsung goes Tizen because then Android wouldn't have to deal with an Android branded Apple wanting to control everything. With the US market moving away from carrier-controlling contracts, more competition will force companies like Samsung, HTC, and Apple to quit screwing consumers by releasing the same phones repeatedly with 2 or 3 new features for $700. OnePlus, Oppo, Blu, LG just to name a few are bringing new competition and if they continue improving we can all enjoy better and more affordable phones.
39. phonetekmek (Posts: 70; Member since: 04 Oct 2013)
I hope you realize that your opinion is in the minority. As a sales manager I can assure you Samsung fans love touchwiz. The main complaint I hear is about the build of the phone. Samsung users that go to LG or something running stock Android usually don't like it and go back to Touchwiz. It's the non Samsung users who don't like it.
8. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Basically Larry needed Jay to understand just what would happen if Samsung doesn't get with the program.
Samsung's competitors would gradually learn every single technical and financial secret of Samsung. Courtesy of the NSA.
There would be all sorts of delays in FCC testing for Samsung devices. US carriers would slow down their certification of Samsung devices.
Samsung stock would start having strange volatility.
Google search would show viruses, problems, and "bad" articles when common Samsung/Galaxy/etc terms are searched for.
DNS for Samsung-related sites would get slow and unreliable.
And so on...
Serve or suffer.
13. magnanimus (Posts: 436; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)
First person who gets it. People here are saying google needs Samsung but without google, Samsung wouldn't have gotten to where it is now (remember bada OS lol). Google helped Samsung to the top and Samsung can't live without them.
As soon as people don't find their "usual apps" on tizen and it feels different and inconsistent, they wouldn't recommend Samsung phones to anyone. You can't pick a fight with google and win.
40. phonetekmek (Posts: 70; Member since: 04 Oct 2013)
Ok then what abouth the Samsung Behold or Instinct? Top phones on Sprint and T-Mobile before Android.
14. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Again, as I have said repeatedly, Google NEEDS Samsung. Samsung doesn't require Google or Android anymore. Samsung are now at a stage where even if they sell feature phones branded with the Galaxy name and price it high, people will buy those, in large numbers. Google needs to find another big or reliant partner, so that it itself could stop relying on Samsung to sell most of Android. LG or Sony could be Google's main partner, and could stop Google getting too reliant on Samsung's Galaxy line for the bulk of Android sales.
21. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3683; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Let's kick out samsung away from android, we'll see how much they sell. Samsung=/=nokia. There aren't so many samsung sh€€p, who are stupid enough to switch platform for a brand.
24. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Its pointless arguing with a fanboy like you, but still, I will say this. If you stay or have knowledge about markets like India, Africa, Latin America, China, where Samsung is at the top, people blindly trust the Galaxy brand. Heck, so many people bought the Samsung Wave series of phones here in India, as the interface looked just like Android, and I bet none of them knew which OS it ran. Galaxy is a brand now. People buy a Samsung phone because of three main reasons: 1) Most of their cousins/friends have one, 2) Trust worthy and known brand, 3) And in developing markets, where people don't want to buy local brand's phones, like Micromax or any Chinese OEM, they buy a Samsung Galaxy phone, since the other known brand is Apple, and their products are expensive for most. Samsung has about 35% of Android's installed userbase. That's more than 350 million people using a Samsung Android phone. And I can say with 100% surety that above 75% of them don't know what OS their Galaxy phone is running. Samsung is to Android what Nokia is to WP, albeit with lesser marketshare of the platform, but a larger userbase. Imagine Samsung not selling any more Android phones. How badly would that impact Google and its OS? Google would loose almost 350 million of its userbase. Can Google afford that? NO. Hence, Google is reliant on Samsung for most of its sales. Samsung is not reliant on Google anymore.
26. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3683; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Lol fanboy? You can classify me as a troll, but I'm nowhere near the level of your fanboyism. Regarding the topic I agree. +1
Once I asked a guy has he updated his S2 to jellybean, he gave me a clueless expression, I grabbed his phone and he was rocking 2.3, I left laughing. :)
34. bestmvno (Posts: 246; Member since: 07 Mar 2014)
Not quite. "Samsung has about 35% of Android's installed user base....Google is reliant on Samsung for most of its sales." So 65% of Google's sales are not through Samsung.....
Google is not as reliant on Samsung as you claim. Sure they are an important partner, all manufacturers are. If Samsung were to leave, another partner would replace them. Still, Samsung would take a big risk by ditching Android. A knowledgeable person may recommend to friends not to buy it anymore, because it's not the same, and people won't. The galaxy line got big because of word of mouth. Word of mouth can also destroy it. Also, developers aren't going to spend their time developing for every single platform out there which also creates a problem. Furthermore, a lot of these markets you mention, India, Africa, Latina America and China are where the low end low margin devices are. They're not cash cow's for Samsung. If Samsung were to start replacing it's high end, high margin devices with Tizen SAMSUNG MAY have a problem.
15. Liveitup (Posts: 1797; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
That is why Google should have never sold Motorola. They a promising thing going with Moto. Samsung in the long run wants to be in charge of its own future ultimately controlling everything from software to hardware for their devices much like what MS is doing, BB and Apple. However unlike the latter Microsoft also have multiple OEM's besides being an OEM themselves. MS is dabbling in everything controlling its own hardware/software while having multiple OEM's like Google. Always have a say in all aspect or your business, have a backup plan for worse case scenarios.
16. willard12 (Posts: 1302; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
This notion that it is either Tizen or Android is ridiculous. Samsung sells forklifts, trucks, solar panels, washers, dryers, refrigerators, and vacuums. They can and will manage to sell phones with different operating systems. As long as their are customers willing to buy Android, they will sell android. Afterall, they still sell WP. To say that Samsung has to choose between Tizen or Android is as ridiculous as saying they need to choose between selling processors or TVs. Samsung invests more money in tizen watches because Google controls android wear. How much money can you put into something you have no control over? In developing its own watch, they could add things such as the ability to make and receive phone calls or take pictures. But Samsung will quit making Android devices when people quit buying Android devices. They are in business to make money for shareholders, not prove a point.
17. Liveitup (Posts: 1797; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
Samsung will continue to make Android devices but they wont rely on Google like they do now, that wont be good for Google and Google knows that seeing as to how Samsung is the largest OEM for the platform.
18. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3613; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Both could not have came up without each other. Success is directly proportional to both.
19. jpkelly05 (Posts: 89; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)
My first thought when I think of Android is HTC. And I have a galaxy S4. My first android phone was the Evo 4G. That was the best first Android phone (opinion). It is too bad HTC can't get out of their current situation. But if Sammy keeps going in the direction they are going, I firmly believe HTC or Moto or LG will be the next topdog depending on removable battery and SDcard availability. These 2 thing are very important. Next will be battery power. Next would be upgrades. LG is horrible at upgrades, or has been in the past. They might have recovered from that black cloud now. Moto is my next thought on top dog... But that all depends on Lenovo now...interesting times. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
22. galanoth (Posts: 407; Member since: 26 Nov 2011)
Why does Larry even care if Samsung spends time on Tizen?
Samsung makes everything. Android,Tizen,WP, probably iOS if they could.
Did Larry go to Sony and be like "Why aren't you making an Android Wear watch?"
Sony Smartwatch doesn't run Android Wear.
25. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Google don't see WP as a threat (their utterly wrong when they think that btw), again, that is Microsoft's fault for not trying to vastly expand their mobile OS market. That's a separate topic all together. But Google do see Tizen as a threat, since it has Samsung and it's billions of dollars behind it. Also, they know that people would buy a Samsung handset blindly, since its a brand now, more valuable than the "iBrand" or Apple logo I dare say. And Google don't see Sony or their smartwatch line as a threat (again, their wrong). Google's main partner is Samsung. They cannot afford to loose 350 million Android customers. Hence, they want Samsung to lessen their work on Tizen, and focus more on Android and Android Wear.
28. brasstax (Posts: 206; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Samsung has been delivered a knockout punch in India by xiaomi and It's mi3 and redmi note
29. brasstax (Posts: 206; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Crappy dual core Galaxy Tab 3 costs more than the Snapdragon 800 toting mi3
30. Even4steven (Posts: 38; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)
While my last 3 phones have been Samsung, I wouldn't care if my next one was not. It is Google and and Android ecosystem that are integral to the experience, way more than the manufacturer of my phone.
There is ZERO chance I would switch to Tizen products.
The odds are better than 50-50 I will get a non Samsung phone next time.
You do the math and tell me who is positioned here to emerge as the long term winner...
33. checkmymike (Posts: 141; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
Let samsung abandon android and produces tizen phones instead.
I highly doubt if tizen phones will sell by the millions, just galaxy phones.
Now, who needs who?
31. dawolf (Posts: 23; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)
If the moto 360 was available and was out selling the tizen watches, i bet this meeting would not have happened. google are just bullies. Samsung should be free to pursue whatever business strategy is best for samsung not google.
35. caesantos (Posts: 84; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)
Suppositions, conspiracy theories... Samsung's main plataform is Android, no doubt about it. Samsung has the "Gear Live" because it doesn't lose a bandwagon, a tendency. Samsung also has a Windows Phone handset, but doesn't put a lot of effort on it. I believe if Apple allows, Samsung would have a handset running iOS, LOL! Samsung fires up in all directions, just to have options if something goes wrong with one of those directions. Tizen is just a new direction. That's all. This kind of "supposition" just helps Apple/iOS. I would go further: maybe those "rumours" are created by Apple people, just to destabilize Samsung/Android relationship. A fight between Android and Samsung would be the perfetc scenario for the release of the new iPhone 6, iOS 8 and iPhablet.