Google seals the deal for Motorola, CEO Sanjay Jha replaced by its own Dennis Woodside
0. phoneArena 22 May 2012, 08:37 posted on
It's over, folks, quickly after receiving the final regulatory approval by the Chinese authorities by promising them Android will remain open, Google just announced officially that "all your Motorolas are belong to us"...
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1. kanagadeepan (Posts: 592; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Please GOOGLE, remove the locked-bootLoader thingy from Moto phones.... Please, PLEASE..... Atleast on non-carrier models...
8. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Screw the "on non carrier models" comment. ON ALL OF THEM. Screw these carriers. If they are going to "stick it" to long time loyal customer(VZW I'm looking at you) and kick us off our unlimited data plans, then give us all unlocked bootloaders, penta band, and non pentile screen phones. I'll buy my new VZW phones right though the play store if they will do that. Anddd, I'll even switch from HTC to moto. Not until those conditions are met though.
2. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)
Good maybe Google can get Android Phone updates back on track at MOTO. Tired of having 3 month old phones that MOTO decides will never get an update.
3. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)
Yeah and speaking of open. How about having Moto release the source code to kernels and bootloaders like they are supposed to in the spirit of OPEN
4. Jericho (Posts: 302; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
Awesome great, so how about now you announce motorola atrix 3 or razr hd.
5. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
A great move by Google. Of course, what nobody is talking about is the firing of US workers who will promptly see their jobs eliminated. People's lives destroyed but who cares, right???
9. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
They shouldn't have made a s**tty product. If they had done what the customers asked for, unlock the da-- bootloader and release the source, then this probably wouldn't have happened to them. And don't give me this "lives destroyed" BS, they have BS unemployment that they can get.
11. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
not only are you clearly stupid but you're also an unsympathetic person as well and that's a mixture that's not going to serve you well in life guy.
15. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Stupid, really? What do you have to base that on? No, I'm not sympathetic, and I have my reason's for being that way. As, unlike most of you here, I came from a very "hard" background and I don't need the government's, or anyone elses pity. And as far as the stupid comment goes, do you have a BSME?
Oh, and tell me where I'm wrong EXACTLY in what I said? Because we have those useless programs, like unemployment, these worthless people will be able to ride the system for two years at 2/3's of their current income. Which they were clearly overpaid or moto would have not needed to sell moto mobility.
16. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
you're blaming the decisions made by the higher ups of this company and other companies on the workers that had nothing to do with those decisions. where is the logic in that?
so you think that makes you better than anybody else that shows any sympathy? well let's just hope you're not ever in any kind of situation where you'll need unemployment. start a Family and become unemployed then talk about how you feel about unemployment because no matter how rough and tough you think you are you wouldn't want to see your family suffer.
17. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol you don't get 2/3 of your income. most states pay you UP TO 1200 a month regardless, or up to 2/3 if its less than the Max amount.
if you were making good money and have family and bills.. unemployment isn't jack.
19. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
I'm not worried about their families. If they planned ahead, which they should have while times were "good" then they wouldn't have to worry about their families either. Then get another job. Just because you're making 50-60 etc k a year, that doesn't mean you need to buy the biggest house you can afford, and the biggest car you can afford. And if you had a "family" before you could afford one, even though the "rough" times, then that isn't anyones fault but your own.
The comment I originally responded to assumed that "lives" would be destroyed. Given the growth of the Tech sector, most of the employees that are good should have no problem landing on their feet within a month. As the majority of them are probably engineers, and there are plenty of engineering jobs out there. I get tired of seeing comments that make any multinational look bad just because they make a decision to try and make themselves profitable (or in MM's case, profitable again.)
Last, Just because the "upper management" signed off on bad design and policy ideas, that doesn't mean that it was "upper managements" ideas. Most of those ideas come from the lower level employees, so yes, they are to be blamed for their companies misfortunes.
20. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
dude, plenty of people had five year plans before the economy crashed but that didn't help them did it? you're being presumptuous and judgmental and not everybody is like that in life. again, i hope nothing bad financially ever happens to you because you're gonna fall hard guy. it's a good thing your job must be pretty solid since you apparently have no idea how hard it is to get a job now. if you don't understand what he meant by that then my original comment about you stands.
21. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Actually, I have changed jobs three times since the crash. All on my own doing. The longest I have gone without a job is 3 weeks, and two of which I took time off for a "vacation", if you will. Jobs are there, but you(the generic usage, not you personally) have to actually leave the house to find them. Network, finding jobs is all about who, not what, you know. Again, as I have stated, I come from a very "hard" background, and that has caused me to be "jaded" on this. If more people would learn to live frugally then their life wouldn't crash down around them within a week of getting walking papers. But people are irrational beings that use up all of their resources at any given time, that's why some 1/3 of the country is currently past due on their mortgages. Those families not living beyond their means will be fine, those that are will be in a world of hurt. So how exactly is that my fault, and how in the he77 does that make me "stupid"? I have yet to see you give a valid reason for that argument. Unsympathetic =/= stupid.
Last, I never said anything about a "5 year plan", because in a five year plan you can still bet the farm on the future. I'm strictly talking about being smart with your money, and not living beyond your means. In accordance with a "5 year plan", I could buy a house that I can barely afford today in the HOPE of in five years being more comfortable financially. That is stupid. That is not something I would do. So explain the stupid remark or take it back.
22. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
you're pretty disgusting guy.
you certainly can but in five year's time you can also do other more financially sound things. what you just said to me was like saying having a slice of pie only means that you can take it and throw it in someone's face.
i already explained why i called you stupid but you didn't try to rebut it or anything so i assumed that there was really nothing you could say for yourself which was understandable considering how illogical your reasoning was for that statement you made.
23. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
What you said makes no sense. And I did rebut it, just not in a reply directly to you.
Basically all your saying is that because you disagree with someone, that alone makes one "stupid". That's a heck of a way to go through life. It shows an inability to look at the world around you objectively. Instead, you, like many people, automatically assume that when bad things happen, that those people caught up in it played no part in it. When typically you're wrong. Good people almost never have trouble landing on their feet when bad things happen. It is prideful, lazy people that do. Because they are the ones ost reluctant to take a pay cut in order to save a job, or do menial that they feel is "beneath" them. So please, be my guest in thinking you are talking the moral high ground, when really all you're doing is hiding from the truth in plain sight.
29. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
lol okay so why are you asking me to explain to you again why i called you stupid? xD
part of being a good person is giving people the value of the doubt and not assuming they're screwing up their lives and assuming they deserved their damnation.
31. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Not even close to the point, or really what I said. The point is that "good people" learn how to get up from their bumps and bruises. Idiots blame everyone else around them for their misfortunes and refuse to pull themselves back up and move on. Also, I didn't say they directly screwed up their lives, but to claim they didn't play a part in it is a fallacy also. This attitude of self pity is what is destroying this country, and the world. At least as far as humans are concerned. Last, you are now equating "stupidity" to being a "bad" or "ungood" person. Which, again, isn't true.
The main reason I keep asking you to explain yourself is because I want to see you keep digging this hole you're in. Being "unemotional" doesn't make one stupid, nor does being a good or "bad" person. But please, continue digging.
32. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
just because you're good doesn't mean you won't need help every now and then. oh so "making a s**tty product" wasn't your idea of them shooting themselves in the foot? the points you are trying to make are inconsistent and illogical and that is what i am equating to stupidity not that you're a terrible human being.
actually it can. all of this hate and cynicism isn't going to pay you know. the more you give, the more you'll receive in return however the original point to me calling you stupid was your logic behind why these workers got laid off. so just tell me how is it that these workers, probably most of them grunt laborers deserved their fate because they didn't "unlock the da-- bootloader and release the source" and while you're at it tell me why that should really matter to the majority of people who don't divulge in installing custom ROMS and Kernels.
34. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
v they didn't "unlock the da-- bootloader and release the source" and while you're at it tell me why that should really matter to the majority of people who don't divulge in installing custom ROMS .
I never said it would. I said if their products were on par with the competition, then sammy wouldn't be raking in the profits and HTC and Moto would have been in the black. But bad decisions have been made all around. I stand by my "shi--y" comment remark. If the market, you know the people that actually buy them, was happy with their product then they wouldn't have stayed in the red. It's a very easy concept, and I am sorry you can't understand that.
I have been plenty consistent with what I have said. You're the one that keeps trying to move the argument to/about me. Not the root reasons for why Moto sold off MM to begin with.
35. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i don't much care about your views on Motorola.
you didn't answer my question. how is it the workers fault?
at first you're insinuating that these people directly screwed up their lives by not making a better product and later you're saying you didn't mean that at all. that sir is inconsistent. i never started an argument about Motorola Mobility. this has always been about that completely terrible thing you said.
36. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Ok, now you are beginng to make me question your reading comprehension.
"I never said it would. I said if their products were on par with the competition, then sammy wouldn't be raking in the profits and HTC and Moto would have been in the black. But bad decisions have been made all around. I stand by my "shi--y" comment remark. If the market, you know the people that actually buy them, was happy with their product then they wouldn't have stayed in the red. It's a very easy concept, and I am sorry you can't understand that. "(this is a direct quote from my previous post to show you what I said and where you clearly misunderstood.)
What do you think "making a product on par with sammy" means? It means they, moto and by moto I mean moto's employees, made a poor product.
WHAT I SAID is it would not have changed anything was moto's policy on unlocking BL's etc. Which it might a little bit, but not enough to actually get them out of the red.
Last, did the workers make/produce/imagine/etc the products that moto introduced to market or not? If the employees didn't, then where did moto get those products from? If the employees did, then how are they NOT responsible? You can't have it both ways. That's like saying that GM's employee's didn't cause their misfortunes. When in reality, if GM had continued to innovate instead of living on a name, then they wouldn't have needed bankruptcy or to steal from the american people to pay their bills. Open your eyes and look at the situation. If a company continually bleeds red ink then there is a reason for it. Also, as I have said NUMEROUS times, if any good employees get laid off, they will find work quickly. It's the bad seeds that might have an issue finding work.
37. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
no, you need to work on making your statements understandable to your readers. when you referred to "they" in your original comment was it the people who are getting laid off or as in Motorola as a collective whole?
i actually really don't care how Motorola is doing compared to the competition. i like them, there's plenty of compelling reasons to buy a Motorola and i'm going to keep buying Motorola Phones & Tablets in the foreseeable future.
oh so you do mean the people themselves. dude, most of those people were just people coming into work to do whatever menial jobs they were supposed to do and go home. they had little to nothing to do with decisions that directed the company to where is is today so i'll ask you again why do these people actually "deserve" to lose their jobs?
maybe you should get all of the facts before you start spreading ill will on people that don't deserve it. Motorola is prepared to unlock the Bootloaders for any Carrier that allows them to. the Carriers are every bit as much to blame as Motorola is if Motorola is to blame at all.
i know that there are people responsible for big decisions made in the company but you know what? there are also people who aren't responsible for them so who are you to decide that every one of these people deserved their ill fate? did the good workers deserve to get laid off because they can find another job pretty quickly? because that's pretty much what you're telling me.
26. Republican (Posts: 99; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
14545 is right!!! As Ayn Rand said, taking care of the lazy and unproductive will only make a society weak.
25. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Why all the hate??? Someone has a lot of beef with the system. I too, came from a real hard background, grew up in the streets of Rio, without a family. But what does that prove??? It has taught me that all people are the same, and that I should always try my best to extend a helping hand to those who are where I once was myself.
You obviously have never been unemployed to no fault of your own, say when your company has to downsize, or move your job to Pakistan. And how dare you call people worthless. Apply that to yourself. Too bad you are probably not geographically closer, or I would extend to you an open invitation to my BJJ Academy for a crash course in humility. I will pray for you, for you obviously need it. And please do spend less time on those extremist right wing websites, for enough hate will eventually make you physically ill.
27. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
And please do spend less time on those extremist right wing websites, for enough hate will eventually make you physically ill.
I don't, but thanks for playing. I don't believe in government at all, much less this stupid left-right paradigm that BS democracy all around the world promotes. This was all that you needed to say to make everything before it completely irrelevant. I never, ever, said that I don't believe in a "helping hand", I said that I don't feel sorry for these people. I also said that those that DIDN"T overextend themselves will have no problem "not losing everything". It the ones that acted irresponsibly that will have a problem keeping their houses, families, etc. It's funny how much people ASSume they know me from a few comments in an article. Unlike most here, I can actually formulate my own opinion on things based on reason and logic. Not something the media tells me. I have no qualms about helping someone who helps themselves, I do have a problem with helping folks that have constantly lived like idiots on the edge. So I should feel sorry for their mistakes and reward them for bad choices in their lives? Why? Maybe, for once, you should take the time to look around and see the world from a POV that isn't the victim. Just a thought.
30. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5484; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well i'm through wasting my words on you. you think you've got it all figured out so there's really nothing i can tell you that you'll listen to.
33. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
You haven't really said anything all along. All you did was call me stupid and tried to back it up by saying that it's because I'm "unsympathetic" and a "bad" person. Thanks for playing.
6. FoneAddict (Posts: 176; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Great news! I can't wait to see what Motorola will be releasing in the next year or so.
7. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Forget that!, hire a few hundred people to go thru your new patents and launch an attack on Apple and MS they have never witness!!.
10. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Hey, I don't get the "attack" MS comment. Apple, go right ahead, as they are actively trying to get your product blocked. But MS has offered generous licensing deals. Keeping in mind, I like Linux and I think that MS is wayyy overpriced and behind times in terms of innovation. Oh, and at least their patents are legit for the most part. Apple would get a patent for a square touchy screen thingy and sue anyone that comes up with anything even close to that.
12. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
MS is suing/attacking Android also.
14. 14545 (Posts: 992; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Yes, but they are just trying to get revenues. Apple is the one trying to get android blocked from sell.
18. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Yes I agree with you, MS isn't as bad.
So hopefully "Go-Moto" teach MS a lesson on bullying.
I think $30.00 per device is suffice enough for MS.
Completely ban of all IOS device or $60.00 per device
13. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
The sad part about MS, when Motorola wins, MS run back to their home turf and get one of those judge they have in the pocket to over turn/prevent Motorla from enforce their patents!!.