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Google finally responds to Apple v Samsung verdict

0. phoneArena 26 Aug 2012, 23:31 posted on

It seemed that everyone had a chance to weigh in on Apple's big win over Samsung a few days ago, everyone except for Google that is. We heard from Apple, we heard from Samsung, and we even heard from Microsoft...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:40 10

1. networkdood (Posts: 6310; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Oh...I known who works for Google and is on here. Android OS will not be hurt by this bogus outcome.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:40 13

18. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


and what about removing searching apps or contacts in the search function? they removed that from Android in US....another from iCompost will come and harms Android because of rotten patent system......and the fact the jury didn't want to "bother" about 100 % evidence against Apple "In fact we skipped that one," Ilagan continued, "so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down."

very very shocking.....Apple needs to be punched to bleed to death

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:46 11

2. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4021; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


People keep forgetting that it's not Android Apple is targeting. It's Samsung. Android does infringe on a few patents which is why Microsoft has a few licenses out to collect royalties but this is about Samsung blatantly copying Apple in many ways. Google warned them about it before.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:49 19

5. wendygarett (unregistered)


And we warned you to stop trolling around too :p

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 10:56 1

47. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4021; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


The truth isn't trolling. ;) Now we could discuss it more you know.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:56 11

6. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)


Samsung is the most obvious and probably easiest to go after since they actually generate direct profit from the phone and Google does not. Samsung is a stepping stone.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:03 18

9. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


So, how does that explain the lawsuits against HTC, and Motorola?

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:17 2

28. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


> So, how does that explain the lawsuits against HTC, and Motorola?

Easy answer -- they too like to steal from Apple, but each is a small fish when compared to Samsung.

Also, Samsung and Motorola suing Apple on FRAND related patents was dumb.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:49 7

30. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


"they too like to steal from Apple"

Sure. Because the Razr type phones Motorola has been putting out for the past year, the Atrix/Bionic phones of the year before, and the Droid/X phones of the year before that were so much like the iPhone.

Same with HTC's devices.

I mean, seriously, Ardent, you are working from such a serious cognitive disconnect that sometimes I wonder about your sanity.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 03:29 3

32. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Sniggly,

Nothing you say can changes the facts.

Questioning my insanity doesn't change the aforementioned facts. Also, since Apple filed its lawsuit against Samsung in April of 2011, you've been WRONG all these months -- you're the insane one if you ask me.

Just remember, if you flame me, I will flame back Mr. "Man who puts foot in mouth."

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 04:25 6

34. joey_sfb (Posts: 3114; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


ardent1, reading your comments is the same as reading apple's press release. Only apple is right 'All The Time!!'

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 08:04 2

44. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Ardent,

You have said nothing to back up your claim that Motorola and HTC's lineups largely indicate they "like to steal from Apple."

Furthermore, what am I wrong about regarding the Samsung/Apple lawsuit, and what does it have to do with when that lawsuit was filed?

You have to actually make sense before you can make a claim that I put my foot in my mouth.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 10:59

49. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4021; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


"you are working from such a serious cognitive disconnect that sometimes I wonder about your sanity."

You constantly cuss in many of your comments and you go on the defensive every time Motorola is brought up and youre questioning someone else's mental state? I find that puzzling.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 12:28

52. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Swearing is a sign of insanity? Is that what they teach you in Sundays school?

Oh I know, masturbating makes me blind, right?

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 06:17 2

38. willard12 (Posts: 865; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Has apple ever copied anything???? I would relax on this ruling. First, the judge didn't allow the F700 to be intorduced as evidence that Samsung had the design prior to iphone. As you know, Apple "coincidently" left the F700 out of their lists of phones prior to the iphone. Second, the foreman for the jury was a patent holder himself. And from my guess, like Apple, he patented some things he didn't invent either. But, he didn't want the jury to get bogged down on prior art.... which invalidates patents.

"We were debating heavily, especially about the patents on bounce-back and pinch-to-zoom. Apple said they owned patents, but we were debating about the prior art [about similar technology that Samsung said existed before the iPhone debuted]. [Velvin] Hogan was jury foreman. He had experience. He owned patents himself...so he took us through his experience. After that it was easier. After we debated that first patent -- what was prior art --because we had a hard time believing there was no prior art."

"In fact we skipped that one," Ilagan continued, "so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down."

What do you really think the appellate court is going to say when Samsung shows them this quote?

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 11:36

50. hengnarath (Posts: 14; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


Plus LG Prada

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 10:57

48. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4021; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


I don't see any lawsuits against Sony, Huwaei, LG, and some more oems.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:46 5

19. Dr.Phil (Posts: 924; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


I have to disagree, Steve Jobs even said that he wanted to see Google go down for "copying" his creation. This was just a trial run for Apple to see how well they can sell to a jury that another company has copied it's patents. Don't forget that Apple snuck in some software patent challenges into this case. Now, why would Apple sneak in software patents into a case they said was mainly about Samsung copying Apple's hardware? My guess is that they did this because they knew they had a good chance of winning the hardware patent challenges but were unsure of the software patent challenges. Since this is the business world, it is all about brand image. Apple knew that the press would give them good coverage and declare them as winners even if they lost a few patent challenges. So, if for instance, there were 7 hardware patent challenges and 3 software patent challenges, even if they lost the 3 software patent challenges they would still be considered as winning the majority of their case. Which in the press' eyes, that is just as good as winning the entire thing. Now that they won those software challenges, it will give them the boost they need to go after Google more directly. I can see the Motorola vs Apple lawsuit being the case that we should really be eyeing.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Apple and Google both release their version of the Google Project Glass.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:47

3. dangchitrung (Posts: 57; Member since: 04 Apr 2012)


oh crap!

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:47 4

4. wendygarett (unregistered)


See guys, I told you that this won't hurt android as whole :)

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 04:38 1

35. sid07desai (Posts: 268; Member since: 03 May 2012)


you don't say?

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:57 6

7. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


If one were to compare this patent war to The Dark Knight Rises.. Warning.. This might come off as extremely nerdy

Apple is like Bane, Samsung is like Batman.. Round 1 is over.. and it went as expected.. Samsung is climbing the cave walls -- This OEM will RISE

0__o

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:03 2

10. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)


I disagree. (This does not reflect my opinion of the case.) Samsung is more like Bane coming from lower foreign parts and working under a bigger entity to help with their rise. Apple is more like Batman in that it rose to glory, took a hard fall and almost became bankrupt but made a comeback. Also, the holding designs thing like WayneTech. But there are some parts that don't line up with either comparison.

Ahh damn. I think I might have come off as nerdy too.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:19 1

11. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


I was hoping to see someone would correct me on that !

Of course it wasn't through and through haha, the only way that my analogy can parallel the patent war is through my subjective view of Samsung being the "good guy" and Apple being the "bad guy", so to speak.

Nevertheless, the story-line can never completely mirror the Patent war because neither Samsung nor Apple completely embody the complete elemental characteristics of either Batman or Bane -- there are shreds of each archetype within the intentions/backgrounds of the respective companies.

I would go more but my Batman juices are flowing 0__o

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:23 7

12. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


No, Apple is still like Bane and Tim Cook is like Talia Al Ghul (talked nice but put a knife in someone's back at first opportunity). Samsung is like Gordon; good overall, but has made some fatally flawed decisions which could be his undoing. Motorola is like Catwoman; it's unknown until the eleventh hour what kind of impact she'll have. Batman is like Google, constantly overcoming adversity. Microsoft is an amalgamation of pretty much every other official in Gotham.

I've just outnerded the f**k out of all of you.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:35

16. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


Bane isn't so much like Apple because, whearas the strength of Apple's devices are not so raw in power as they are effective in implementation and visual trickery, Bane's strength is absolute, undeniable and nearly unstoppable by raw means. Mano y mano, AN S3 will beat an iPhone, but no one will ever beat Bane one on one(excluding the mask)

Samsung isn't much like Gordon becuase Gordon's "mistakes" were instigated by Batman, at Batman's own risk. Whearas there are no percieveable connections between the Samsung and Android in terms of the infrigment of the S1.

Lemme me analyze the rest hehe

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 01:00

22. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Catwoman beat Bane and she didn't do a single thing to his mask. :D

Like Apple, Bane does a lot of moralizing about the righteousness of what he does, but it's easy to see beneath the veneer of his bulls**t. Like Samsung, Gordon's mistakes may end up hurting Batman (Google, and because of legal precedent now) with only temporary gain. :)

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 08:03 1

43. remixfa (Posts: 14060; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Nah, Apple is more like Natalia Al'Guhl.

She parades as a normal person and gets positive spin. However, her real personality is very dark and destructive. Much like Apple. :)

Gawd, I hope everyone has seen the new Batman.

And if not.. why the hell not!?!? lol, that movie was fantastic... even though Bane never properly juiced up the entire movie. I guess he didnt want to be called to the senate for a hearing on steroid abuse, lol.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:27

14. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


I also just realized that your(Manjaro) analogy holds up even further when you see the parallels between Batman and Apple - Both very idealistic, altruistic(perhaps for their own good), and working within a narrow, defined set of parameters. Whereas Samsung, like Bane, is not defined by a single or even a few ideals, but whose capabilities are much more well rounded, and whose intentions are to carry out the objective of a greater entity, as you pointed out..

Someone could actually write a very engaging book on the similarities/differences lmao.. =0

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:38

17. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)


And... I'll bow out right here.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 04:14

33. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


"holy f*cking patents batman"!!!

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:31 5

15. wendygarett (unregistered)


Apple is not Bane but a Joker
Who love to bash around as a patent troll :)

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:55

21. snowgator (Posts: 3275; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


This could go on for a while......

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:24 3

13. Sniggly (Posts: 7177; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I like how Google took a more reasoned response to the outcome. I look forward to seeing the legal entanglements that follow, and the kinds of solutions Google comes up with to negate their result.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:09 2

26. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Google appears to have decided to directly mix it up with Apple. Previously, they 'loaned' some of their patents to manufacturing partners who were being sued by Apple (example is HTC). That didn't work out so well, so Plan B is to go after Apple directly. This is happening in the ITC case that was recently filed by Moto vs. Apple. As Google is awarded patents that Apple is infringing (Notification function for example), Google will go after Apple as well. Over time (next 24 to 36 months), Apple will find itself hamstrung by awards against it and the resulting sales bans will compel Apple to negotiate a global settlement and the focus will then shift to innovation.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:46 3

20. snowgator (Posts: 3275; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Okay, here we are, up to date. Feel free to correct me if my scorecard is wrong:
1) Apple came out the overall winner as far as the big trial in the US, but only in cash compensation. The Samsung Tablets and recent devices (Galaxy series) are in the clear. So it hurts to the tune of a Billion (ouch), but their current bread and bitter devices are fine.
2) South Korean court has ruled in favor of Samsung, and lawsuits in Germany, Australia, and maybe Japan (?) are still pending.
3) HTC has fixed the main problem from their loss to Apple with a software update, and appeals are still pending.
4) Motorola has one patent case pending against Apple after having 3 thrown out, as they are seeking a ban on Apple sales.

So, for all this legal equivalent of a peeing contest, really nothing is being affected as far as actual sales of devices. In other words, Apple hasn't stopped or slowed down Android and no one has outright proven Apple wrong. So really this is all worthless and a huge waste of resources.

This is why God gave us beer.......

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:13 1

27. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


And, just because a jury awarded Apple a $1 billion, doesn't mean that Apple's cash account balance just grew by the amount of the award. No $ has changed hands yet. Even if Sammy has to file an appeal bond. If an appeal bond is required, it will sit in an escrow account controlled by the U.S. 9th District Court.

Expect the ultimate damage amount to be reduced.

As I said in an earlier thread, Apple got a PR win. Nothing more.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 01:21

24. samirsshah (Posts: 61; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)


"Really, this is just standard damage control of course."

This one statement says everything.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 01:45 2

25. rudlie (Posts: 182; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


See guys, what google said about his biggest vendor lost? Nothing. There's no objections, no argumentations because google know what the punishment for a copycater.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:27 2

29. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 411; Member since: 04 May 2012)


Apple has copied from Android too, Vengeance will be soon, hopefully...

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:55 1

31. AndroidShiz (Posts: 145; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)


What are you guys talking about? Apple is like Luthor Corp and Samsung is like Clark Kent on red kryptonite, meaning sometimes they make mistakes but for the most part they're pretty good company when they get rid of the red kryptonite. While Apple is just evil to the core 24/7.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 11:59 1

51. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1119; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


the real outcome of this trial is Apple will get richer because Android OEM's will have to Pay royalties to use Apple patents. the fall out effect is People who want Android smart phones will pay much more for their smart phones unless Apple says Android smart phones cannot use Apple Patents. Then Google and Android OEMS could sue Apple over favoritism since Microsoft pays Apple royalties on their patents used in Windows smart phones. maybe the court would favor Android/Google.

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