Google filed for patent on Notification Bar in 2009, patent still pending
0. phoneArena 17 Feb 2012, 02:58 posted on
There are many Android fans out there wondering why Google hasn't taken Apple to court for the addition of a slide down notification bar on iOS 5.0; after all, Android smartphones have had such a feature since the very first model was launched...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. 2pe_2pe (Posts: 14; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
i can imagine the guys at Cupertino pissing their pants once this patent's made official. gotta see this one, apple's patent lawsuits backfiring against them. I wonder what nonsense of an excuse would apple make in defense?
6. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)
(I am against Apple for this)
Apple: In our defence, our notification bar is different to the one on Android. It doesn't allow access to settings.
*Apple bribes court*
18. 2pe_2pe (Posts: 14; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
how different? hell, apple sues every other company that has something similar to iOS even if the similarity is only 1%. Now, they are saying the iOS notification bar is different? its like 99% similar to android! if there is one company that needs to be sued for patent violations, it should be Apple..
21. kryptoner (Posts: 3; Member since: 07 Feb 2012)
only way in which it is different than android notification bar is that it is ugly!
36. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)
It is actually an EXACT copy, and even some of my friends who are Apple fanboys admit that it is a copy
22. maier9900 (Posts: 272; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)
Im sure Apple did the notification bar with such careful design that it won't even show up in the patent. WHO THE HELL HAS GUTS TO SUE APPLE???
39. ZayZay (Posts: 564; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)
Ya know, I was wondering about this when they announced it and then laughed when they did. If they are trying to be so different, why have this feature?
2. theindianguy (Posts: 90; Member since: 30 Sep 2011)
and as soon as USPTO makes it official, BAM google is gonna nail em.
23. quakan (Posts: 1199; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
Breaking News: "The USPTO has Denied Google's Request for the Notification Bar" haha
34. JonBjSig (Posts: 176; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
Says who, I can't find anything about that.
Post some proof if you're so sure of it...
37. JonBjSig (Posts: 176; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
Ok, it seemed like mockery when I read it.
60. quakan (Posts: 1199; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
@E.N. yes i was...people on this site kill me with taking everything serious haha. I had some angry android fans ready to bite my head off.
3. yingcong6 (Posts: 22; Member since: 09 Feb 2012)
Why they keep patenting the idea? That's an idea, you think it first so don't let anyone think it at second to touch it? The final lose is our customers if they keep doing so.
25. frydaexiii (Posts: 1236; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Thing is, this is no longer an idea, this has been on almost all versions of Android. Same as Face Unlock for Android, it has been done, it's no longer just an idea.
Now Apple applying for Face Unlock using advanced methods, that's an idea, locking of your iOS device with a stylus using magnets? Another idea. For all we know Apple can't produce all these and so no one can because they are going to own patents to it...
26. McLTE (Posts: 711; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Yingcong is correct though in the context that the big losers here are US, the consumers.
It would be nice (a fairy tale) to see the OEMs work together to move phone tech forward, and bringing it to new heights.. instead of trying to stifle creation and force each other out of the market.
it's not like there's not enough room for both Apple and Google! (and many others)
45. -box- (Posts: 3821; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Apple's not the only one with face unlock... Nokia has had it in beta for a while, and Google showed some prototypes of it at CES 2012 if I remember right
4. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3033; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Wow apple gets slide to unlock even tho they didnt invent it and google is still waiting on this....
5. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Stupid patent so only android can have a notiofication center. If they win a patet case like this apple should sue android for using an application store because they had ine first.
9. paynekiller (Posts: 139; Member since: 24 May 2010)
oh ya, that's the first digital store ever made right..
10. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
And people see why I hate this crap ? The awesome notification bar in ios could be gone if Google gets this patent.
And app stores exited long a ago ,ever heard of vcast? Again they can patent anything can them?
And you seriously want them to add more ammo to this ? If every feature goes like that our phones might..........
32. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
why will it be a problem if iOS doesn't have notification bar? it didn't have, it stole it, and now it's a problem if it doesn't have one? it's not like it's that functional either in iOS..
apple on the other hand, has been patenting broad designs, which some doesn't even exists yet.. i believe patent war won't be this bad if apple had not started it.. the rest of the world is just defending..
so, tell that to apple..
20. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Lol please tell me you joking and don't really believe apple invented the app store...also why shouldn't Google sue over notification if granted,apple are suing over slide to unlock which is even less innovative than the notification system..lol the double standard with apple fans.
24. quakan (Posts: 1199; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
Verizon actually had it first back on its feature phones
28. SleepingOz (unregistered)
So it's ok only when it's apple who files this kind of patent. GFYM dude!
7. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
oh i can't wait to see apple being sued over this, haha.
those patents suck, but apple more than deserves to get a taste of it's own sh!t
8. A.aoudi (Posts: 125; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)
Looks like someone is about to get sued and this time its Apple. Have a taste of your own bitter medicine. Even Symbian Belle has this feature and i wouldn't be surprised if Google plans to sue Nokia.
12. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Well the notification bar is a proven way to perform non intrusive notifications.
11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5867; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
It all depends on what the USPTO allows in the way of claims. If allowed claims cover Apple's notification function, Apple is going to have to prove the Google patent is invalid. If Apple is not able to invalidate Google's claims, they basically have two choices - 1.) write a big check to Google, or 2.) strip out the notifications function of iOS. There is possibly a third option - cut a deal to stop the patent wars.
13. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I don't see a chance of it getting invalid if it gets approved Google had that implementation going on with Android since for ever . Sad everything had to go down to this.
14. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
When I said they should patent it I was joking :s
15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5867; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
@protozeloz - maybe Google's patent on notification function is the magic bullet that ends the patent wars? Then Apple and Google have to compete on features.... And the consumer wins. What a novel concept.
19. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
If it ends with an agreement from both parts and the end of a war then i guess is ok
33. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
yeah, just stop all this crap and make better phones already..
remember, make love, not war, make phones not missiles..
16. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)
I hope Google sues the pants of Apple for this.
40. ZayZay (Posts: 564; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)
You don't have to sue apple to get the pants off of them, just ask Apple customers, they bend over and take it with out an issue.
17. Jericho (Posts: 302; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
I don't want noone to sue anyone.
Its better for the customer.
But then again apple started it.
27. toystore (Posts: 16; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Apple sued a X company for violating their peeee pattern, they peee like apple employee, now x company got to pay a revenue or take back their peeeee… , guys be careful if you in public washr**m make sure no apple employee watching you.
29. TimTebow (Posts: 70; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)
obviously the courts are paid off.
38. joseg81 (Posts: 166; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
funny thing is apple has no limits on their stupidity. they're gonna fight tooth n nail on this.
then they'll take on the bible and say they were here first and they created the world.
57. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5867; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
How about 2011 - 2021, the decade of patent wars? Although I suspect that in a few years (possibly sooner if Google's patent is allowed substantially as filed) there will be a series of patents allowed that define the parameters of a settlement and it will be time to move on and compete on features.
42. nickjjay (Posts: 79; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
This is why I passionately can't stand Apple. They set up rules for everyone else to follw and then they make a totally different set of rules for themselves. The consumer needs to steps up and say "no thank you" to Apple products. Nothing talks in business like money.
44. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Google is not Apple. If and when they get this patent, they wont shut down apple over it (though they most definately could). Google makes money off of apple already through adds. They make money off of everyone. Google doesnt really care if apple makes a mint or not as long as google is sitll the primary search engine.
At the absolute worst, google will use this to get apple to back off and come to some sort of sharing arrangement so the mass litigation against android manufacturers stops. Otherwise, they might take a page from MS and make apple pay them per device. They wont however try to ban Apple.
Then again, they could continue to give their patents to their partners and watch htc/samsung/moto try to shut down apple by proxy.
47. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5867; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Google is not Apple. But Google will not stand idly by and let Apple abuse their manufacturing partners. If the notifications patent is allowed and the claims become problematic for Apple, Google will certainly use the patent to compel Apple to stand down their patent wars.
Something tells me that Apple has seen the notification patent coming and has pursued the patent wars to gain leverage in a future settlement negotiation. The timeline is about right. If the patent was filed in 2009, it was probably published in 2010, which was when Apple went into litigation in a big way.
In any event, it ain't over until it is over. But on the face of it, Apple has got some big problems in Google's notification patent.
46. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Wow the article says... Google.. and it seems is more about Apple.... read some comments ... when Apple files for dumb patents.. everyone gets up in arms.. but now we have Google... but is ok right?... 2 wrongs doesnt make it right
52. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
What makes this a dumb patent? This isn't a patent on unlocking a phone, which is something that every phone needs! It isn't simply a gesture... Its a truly unique feature no other phone had until Android.
54. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5867; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I suspect in gallito's mind, it is dumb because it could give Apple a real bad case of heartburn. Can you imagine iOS without the notification function? Or, the notification function without messaging?
58. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Why you guys even bother? I saw his post...... not worth a dime is just that it's hard for him to admit that apple copies everyone around them and gets away with it while others are forbidden to do the same. Even with snow leopard adding ios features in order to unify the experience is copying from windows 8 being a similar experience for phones tablets and computers
59. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
he just says dumb things to get a rise out of people. he is a feathered version of Miz with a bad william shatner impression going on.
48. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
You guys need to learn a lot about patent law. In order for a company to be found infringing, they have to infringe ALL aspects of the patent. The way this patent is written, Apple's implementation does not violate it. The key difference is that Apple's notification system does not display information in the bar at the top. It only displays it when the 'panel' is exposed.
That's a key difference that will make it very difficult for Google to do anything about it.
And that's ignoring the fact that there's prior art for this type of notification system...
49. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5867; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Where in the first claim for the Google patent does the claim language not cover Apple's notification function? The Apple notification panel displays the notification in the perimeter of the graphical interface (first element of claim 1). The Apple notification responds to the user performing a selection function (swipe of the alert) (second element of claim 1). And the Apple notification function responds to the user's swipe by displaying details about the notifications (third element of claim 1). If the glove fits, you have to convict.
If the Google patent is allowed as filed, Apple will have a serious problem with it.
Lastly, you claim the presence of prior art. Link?
50. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
It doesn't just talk about displaying the notification at the perimeter, it specifically mentions displaying it in a status bar, which iOS does not do. iOS has a pop-over notification that covers the status bar, which is the key difference. Further, Apple allows the user to directly tap the notification as soon as it arrives, or allows them to swipe down to show the collected notifications. Finally, Google's patent also only covers MESSAGING notifications, as they are specifically identified in the patent. The fact that iOS' bar (and Android's now as well) show more than that is another key difference.
The thing with software patents, which no one has mentioned, is that the software being accused of infringing must infringe ALL Aspects of the patent. Because of a few key differences, Google would find it very difficult to get a court or judge to agree that Apple's system is infringing.
Also, reading the patent in question, it is very likely that Google will never see it awarded because it is overly broad and includes some fairly obvious information.
51. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5867; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Droid800, you are mixing copyright and patent law. For example, element 1 of Claim 1 states: "displaying in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface for a mobile device, a notification of a recent alert event..." Status area is not a status bar. Tapping or swiping will meet the test for "receiving a selection in the status area by a user of the mobile device,". Where is the limitation to messaging notifications? The third element of Claim 1 states: "...wherein at least some of the plurality of the alert events correspond to messages received by the mobile device..."
Apple could make the notification function non-infringing by removing the messaging component of notifications, but they would be the laughing stock of the industry. Messaging is a key component to the notification function - if I am on PA responding to your post, and a beep occurs telling me I have a new e-mail, I am back to iOS v. 4. The compelling value proposition to notifications (whether Apple's or Android's) is the ability to see a summary of the e-mail that I just received without having to exit the application that I am presently working in.
Whether Apple is infringing the Google patent as filed is a matter for a court to decide. You have not provided support for your assertions that Google would not be able to convince a jury that Apple's notification function infringes the application as filed.
How is the claim language overly broad? I have given examples using the claim language to show how it covers the Apple notification function. You need to provide an example to support your claim the patent is overly broad.
56. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5867; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Maybe MS too. Although I don't know how WP handles notifications.