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Google buys 1,023 IBM patents for Android protection

0. phoneArena 15 Sep 2011, 08:14 posted on

Google isn't done with its patent purchases in order to protect the Android ecosystem. New reports say that Google has made a deal with IBM to purchase 1,023 patents to bolster its mobile portfolio...

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posted on 15 Sep 2011, 08:43 14

1. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4342; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


It's always a good strategy to protect yourself. Google is being very smart in all of this. Everyday Apple keeps on soiling themselves. Maybe Google can return the favor to Apple & start banning Apple from selling its products. Imagine if that happens, all the iSheep will go crazy & WW III will start! lol

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 08:53 13

3. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


Apple is still afraid to sue google directly. hahaha! Google is on a patent buying spree!! When almost all necessary patents are with Google...

GOOGLE SUES APPLE!
Modu, IBM, Motorola... and it goes on and on and on!!

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 14:14 5

19. NeXoS (Posts: 278; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Screw that, they should go on the OFFENSIVE and start suing Apple back!

The best defense is a GOOD OFFENSE!

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 16:58 1

23. bobnnate (Posts: 25; Member since: 28 Aug 2011)


that'll just make google look just as bad as apple though

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 14:54

42. roscuthiii (Posts: 1865; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


With iOS 5 supposedly resembling Android's notifications, and other interface similarities, that would be the time to play the lawsuit game.
However, as bobnnate pointed out... they may take a PR hit on that one.
Google should just tell Apple to drop their more frivolous lawsuits or be forced to stick with last year's UI for awhile.

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 08:49 7

2. Bluedroid (Posts: 57; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)


All hail mighty google saviour of android !!!

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 08:54 5

4. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


Why does Google not help samsung in their legal battles??

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 10:09 5

8. remixfa (Posts: 14080; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


because Apple isnt suing samsung for anything to do with android, they are suing for "looking similar to an iphone".. ya know.. a touch screen phone in the shape of a rectangle. In all non-lunatic filled courts (cough cough germany), the lawsuits have failed. Its legal bullying and nothing more.

Apple did sue HTC for patent related issues though, which is why google is helping them.

All this bullying is getting very close to biting them in the arse. Google is obviously gearing up for something big with the amount of patents they are buying. Its starting to look less like a defence and more like an army massing for a huge offence.


And I love how the article pokes fun directly at Peter and his "sky is falling" cries about google droping partners.. lol :)

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 10:18 1

9. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


In ITC matters a company will usually choose a country with a court system they feel will be most likely to find in their favor, Once a victory is secured they can enforce it in all countries that sell that product or that product works in, if you follow me.

That is why Apple chose Germany, they went to the Netherlands because the Euopean Distribution Center for Sammy is located there and an injuction there affects all the countries that they would distribute to.

Which is why Uncle Sammy chose France to counter against Apple

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 08:55 3

5. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


"People can cry all they want about how Google is going to implode the Android ecosystem for its own profit with the Motorola deal. But, if you want to make that argument, you're going to have to willfully ignore the fact that Google has not only been purchasing patents to protect Android"
Come on PhoneArena, Eric Schmidt himself has already said "We bough Motorola for more than just patents".
Of course Google will want to use the patents as well, but of course Google will be making their own phones, there is no doubt about that (Samsung, HTC, Acer, Nokia and the korean government already knowss this).

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 12:36 2

12. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Yes, Eric Schmidt said that, but that could easily mean Motorola's set-top boxes as well as phones.

Besides which, there is still absolutely no evidence that Google is going to prefer Motorola over any other manufacturer. It may just mean the end of MotoBlur, and the availability of more stock Android phones, which shouldn't matter much to Samsung or HTC because their phones are still better than Moto phones.

Until we see some sort of proof that Google is going to harm the Android ecosystem with the Motorola purchase, I'm not buying into the doomsaying.

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 13:00 1

14. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I'm not talking about Android doomsday, i'm talking about Google getting more profit.

I'm seeing it like this. If google has 50 % marketshare and give away Android for free, or if they have 15-20 % marketshare and sell their own phones, which will give Google more profit ?

Of course, if other manufacturers are still making Android phone, then Google will be happy for that, but that would not be good for the manufactureres, and they would therefore not do that.

I believe Google therefore will give advantage to it's own Googlerola phones, and try and sell as much of them as they can, to increase their own profit (after all, the more phones Motorola sells, the more money Google makes).

so i believe since other manufacturers will use another OS (samsung will use bada, they have talked alot lately about working hard on software, HTC has been considering purchasing their own OS) while Google sell android with maybe 15-20 % market share.

And i read there was a article here on PA lately that stated that in a law suit Google filed, it said something about giving advantage to their own phones ?

So i believe Google won't kick out the other manufacturers, the other manufacuters will simply leave android (in 1-2 years everyone will see that, since manufacturers have android phones in the pipeline that they have been planning on launching) to make more profit. When google starts giving advantage to motorala, the other manufacturers will not be making as much profit with android.

For me from a business point of wiew, it is kinda of obvious Google will make their own phones.

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 14:13 3

17. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


why would samsung or htc leave android when it is has propelled them to the top...you just have to look at the sale and popularity of the galaxy lines...samsung and htc would be stupid to drop android when it is helping them gain market share and sell millions of device...

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 14:29 3

20. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


As I explained in my last mega column:http://www.phonearena.com/news/A-more-Googley-idea-for-what-to-do-with-Motorola_id21978

You can't just choose the path of most revenue and assume Google will do that. Google has almost never chosen that path, it's not the strategy and never has. You can keep saying Google will make more money by doing these things, but there is absolutely no history to point to that makes those things likely at all. I can pick out plenty of examples to support my theory that Google won't do anything to hurt the Android ecosystem in favor of profits, but you have no support for your theory other than "Google would make more money."

Google isn't a traditional company. It has never designed products to maximize revenue the way Apple or Microsoft would, so why would you continually claim that's the plan now?

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 06:17

27. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


"Google isn't a traditional company. It has never designed products to maximize revenue the way Apple or Microsoft would, so why would you continually claim that's the plan now?"

Because the following.

When Google first launched Android, they made it free for everyone to use, to get a huge market share. When they got the huge market share, they would start giving advantage to themselvses and their own phone that they would be start to manufacture (which is happening now).
google smart plan has been to get a huge market share, then they give advantage to their own phones and they sell more than Samsung or HTC android phones = more profit from Google.

I think this has been the strategy with android since the beginning.

But let's be clear, we should see in 1-2 years time, then we should talk and see what has happened to android.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 08:31 1

28. remixfa (Posts: 14080; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


belief is strong in this one.

You believe strongly in something that has zero evidence, history, or support outside of a couple of crazys. Its almost like believing in creationism.. oh.. wait. :)

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 09:48

30. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I might be using the wrong english word here. What i meant is, i believe that what i have written about Google and android is true, but i do not base this on belief. I base this on business facts (coming from someone who has some business knowledge in this area). I do not believe in anything that has zero evidence, i base this on facts (even Samsunh, HTC, Acer, nokia and the korean government agree with me, and they are VERY EXPERIENCED businesses).

When it comes to creationism...
to be able to believe in evolution requires ALOT more belief than to be able to believe in creation...
about 10 % of the evidence points to evolution, and about 90 % of the evidence points to creation, which one requires the moste belief to be able to "believe" in ???
= Answer should be pretty simple.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:31 1

32. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


To clarify, those 10 % of evidence that points to evolution mostly has to do with Carbon 14 dating, which anyway is proven to be a very inaccurate method of dating objects.
To be able to think that 10 % evidence for evolution vs 90 % evidence for creation makes evolution a fact, then one has some serious believing to do...

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:38

33. remixfa (Posts: 14080; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol, creationism is fake science based on a 2000 year old book written by old men with the education of a 2nd grader that thought the world began and ended in the middle east/northern africa.

And your business "sense" means nothing when you look at the track record, business mission, and the directions that the company has been going. You are ignoring EVERYTHING about Google and giving them some generic company status so it fits your view that android is dying (though the world seems to think the opposite) and bada is going to reign victorious (which is NOT going to happen..lol)

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 13:34

38. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Interesting that evrytime i point out evidence to a evolutionist that proves them wrong, they start to ignore the facts and turn to bashing instead...
Based on what you write, either you have the knowledge as a 1st grader on the bible, or your ignoring facts.
I have tons of evidence i can give you that is purely based on scientific facts, and not on the bible which proves the earth is young. Want me to email that ?

When it comes to google, well...you believe so much that google won't do the obvious that you are totally ignoring facts and common knowledge, just as you are with evolution (evolution simply is 100% impossible scientificly, you really would need a divine miracle to make evolution work, and even then it wouldn't. People who believe evolution has about the same knowlege of science as a 1st grader).

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 13:30

37. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Ignoring all off-topic comments: there is no such thing as "business facts". All businesses run differently and make different choices based on the visions of their leaders. There is often overlap in these choices because many companies aim to maximize revenue, but you can't blindly apply these choices to all businesses.

You are insisting that Google is going to begin making devices to using Motorola to directly compete with other Android manufacturers, and that Google will take actions to maximize profits even if it means pushing away hardware partners. Google has never made a choice like that, and there is absolutely no evidence that Google will make that choice going forward.

Yes, Samsung is focusing more on bada, and HTC is looking to buy a mobile OS to hedge their bets in case Google does take this highly unlikely course of action, but neither has made any indication that they are going to abandon Android completely.

So, one last time, before I give up on this conversation: do you have any proof that Google is planning to implode its ecosystem (not that it can do it, but that it WILL), or that hardware manufacturers are going to completely abandon Android?

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 14:46

39. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I don't have any 110 % percent proof myself that Google will kick out the others (which i believe they won't, but i think they will give advantage to motorola) or that the other manufacturers will leave android completely.

Honestly i think that the manufacturers will focus mainly on other OS now, like bada, and release very few Android phones (at least in 1-2 years after they have released all the phones in their pipeline). And maybe in 2015, stop with android completely.

After all, Samsung will earn more money by having bada in all the 19 million smartphones they soldi n Q2, instead of android.

And to me, what Samsung, HTC, the korean government, Acer and Nokia (Elop) has been saying, os proof enough for me that the other manufactureres will leave android.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 14:53

41. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I don't think there's any indication that Google will give Motorola an advantage, especially if it will push away other manufacturers.

I can imagine other manufacturers trying to do their own thing with their own OSes, and that may hurt Android, but it won't end up being all that great for Samsung, or HTC, because I don't think either can compete with Apple, Microsoft or Google. If manufacturers do leave Android, it'll just end up meaning that iOS and WP7 will be the big two, with Google as a respectable #3, and others like bada, WebOS and BB continuing to languish at the bottom.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 16:13

43. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I'm thinking that Samsung might be talking to maybe LG, SE and HTC about using bada. If they get another manufacturer to use bada, then bada will definitely be in the number 2-3 maybe even number 1 spot. But suppose that only samsung will use bada and only sell bada phones, 19 million bada phones per quarter, would give bada a huge market share at the number 2 spot (at least how it looked like in Q2).
So if samsung ditches android, and pushes bada, then bada can have a market share worthy of the number 2-3 spot i think.

I really think that common sense points to google giving advantage to motoral. After all, if you just purchased a hamburger restaurant. You just came out with a new hamburger, would you give the recipe for free to mcdonalds, or would you use the recipe in the restaurant you just purchased ?

posted on 17 Sep 2011, 09:31

44. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I think your math is a little suspect. Just because Samsung starts pushing bada, doesn't mean people will buy it over Android, WP7, or iOS. 19 million bada phones a quarter is absurd.

posted on 17 Sep 2011, 12:56

45. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I said that Samsung sold 19 million smartphones in Q2.
If all of them would be bada phones, then bada would be number 2-3 in terms of marketshare.


The average consumer buy what they like. Not Android or IOS or WP7, they buy what they like the best. And there is no reason that the consumers would not like bada the best.

posted on 17 Sep 2011, 17:49 1

46. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


People rarely buy what they like the best. They buy what they like the best of what they know, or they buy what their friends have. Or, they buy what has the best marketing or apps. WebOS hasn't been a failure because of the quality of the platform, but because of a host of other issues.

It's very hard to break into a market that has two powerhouses like Apple and Google at the top, even Microsoft is having trouble with it. So, that's an enormous "if" that Samsung could sell that many bada phones.

posted on 18 Sep 2011, 03:57

47. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I don't think you are getting my point Michael.
What i'm saying is that Samsung already is in the top at the market. they are the ones selling the most android phones at the moment. People know what Samsung is, people know that Samsung makes good quality phones.

If samsung would switch to bada in all of their phones, and did as much marketing with bada as they have with android, then samsung wold still be the number 1/2 smartphone manufacturer, people would not start choosing LG over Samsung just because Samsung switch to bada. People would still buy as many samsung phones with bada (except maybe a few geeks, that specifically buy samsung android phones, but those are not the average consumer).

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 14:38 5

21. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


To be clear, I'm not saying Google won't use Motorola for making phones. I'm saying Google will be very careful to not push away other manufacturers from Android in the process. Samsung is far more important to the Android ecosystem than Motorola, and even with the purchase, Google has a closer relationship with Samsung.

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 15:22 5

22. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Oh, and as far as the article you're referencing about Google giving priority to its own phones:http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-document-mentions-lead-device-strategy-names-Motorola-and-Verizon-as-example-partners_id21931

Again, if you read the whole thing, it's absolutely nothing new and nothing that explicitly favors Motorola. It just references partnerships that allow certain devices (Nexus devices and Moto XOOM so far) to have exclusive time with new software updates. So far, Samsung has done it twice, HTC twice, Moto twice, and Verizon has been in on two of them. As always, Google spreads the love.

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 17:02

24. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Everything you said was what I wanted to say but didnt know how to keep it short lol so didnt bother... :)

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 14:47

40. bizwhizzy (Posts: 45; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


You could just as easily say that Apple will start licensing iOS and OSX because it would increase market share, or that Microsoft will use an exclusive hardware provider for WP7 or Windows because it would increase profits but those "predictions" ignore each company history, just like what you're saying about Google and Android.

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 12:38 6

13. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2686; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Besides, everyone can just fall back on bada, right?

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 14:14

18. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


lol bada is going to be the number 1 os soon.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 06:15 1

26. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Probably number 2/3 in a few years.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 08:31

29. remixfa (Posts: 14080; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


3 snaps in Z formation!

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:21

31. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I'm swedish, don't know what your comment means.
Explain ?

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:43

34. remixfa (Posts: 14080; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ever see the show "in living color" ? do they play american shows over there? Its an early 90's skit comedy show. Its where the waynes brothers, jim carrey, and Jennifer Lopez got their starts.. funny stuff.

If you havent seen it, u need to youtube it. for real! :)

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:44

35. remixfa (Posts: 14080; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


and i probably just showed my age. thinking about it, half the people on this site probably arent old enough to get the joke.. lolol

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 09:07 2

6. somebody (unregistered)


Google quickly go sue apple! their NEW ios5 beta copies a lot of technology and patent from android!just give apple a taste of their own medicine!

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 12:01 2

11. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


That would be funny; Google waits for Iphone 5 to be released then bans them from the world because of patent infringements. hahahaha

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 09:26 2

7. Knicknevin (Posts: 138; Member since: 18 Mar 2011)


Google is biding their time for a bigger fight. Just like they gave HTC some patents to fight off Apple, they will assist where it is necessary, but hold off on the big guns until they are ready.
Google is run by nerds and geeks. Let them do what geeks do best, watch some n00b jump around and fire off as many rockets as they can at random targets, all the while waiting for them to get in perfect line for their BFG!!

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 18:34

25. corporateJP (Posts: 1765; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


LOL...good one!

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 10:48 1

10. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)


I will always remember where I was when the Patent Wars began....

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 13:40

16. nofan (unregistered)


WOW...at first I thought it was bad taste and then I figured if we can't laugh we can't move on and that was pretty funny I admit. +1 lol

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 13:28 1

15. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


peter just give it a rest please..and leave the x-files stuff alone

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:45

36. Striker (unregistered)


It' s too late, google dudes...:) Whatever you buy, it's gonna be too late, since you have started Android when you had nothing, now brace yourselves, hehe!

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