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Google Now's intelligent push shows Siri the future

0. phoneArena 06 Jul 2012, 20:34 posted on

Last week, Google unveiled its upcoming Android update 4.1, Jelly Bean, which added a number of improvements to the system, but none caught our eye more than Google Now, which is the product we have been anticipating...

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posted on 06 Jul 2012, 20:39 11

1. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Uh oh, they are attempting to become self-aware. Can't wait to see how it operates.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 02:10 5

29. Otterbox (banned) (Posts: 71; Member since: 27 Jun 2012)


Google forcing more controversial changes.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 02:29 13

30. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


You are safe - as Michael comments, Apple won't release something until they can make it Appley. Siri will remain more gimmicky than truly useful for probably around 2 more years, when iOS 7 is released.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 08:11 6

34. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)


Good point Doug! (But, more like iOS 8.1.0.002)
I must be missing something in the article, Michael states, "Siri is marketed as a personal assistant because of hooks into your calendar and such, but more than anything else, Siri is a voice-powered search platform;" I thought, based on the commercials, Siri was someone to talk to in desparate iSolation.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 10:02 1

40. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


how are they forcing anyone? its an opt in service

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 12:26

42. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1728; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


You can CHOOSE not to use it therefore not FORCING anything. Silly otter using your tummy as a table

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 20:55 8

2. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Great article, Michael. As you stated, the challenge for Google will be to get the universe of Android handsets migrated to JB. That will involve a delay that may give Apple time to catch up to Google in the search knowledge archive. However, Maps is still not fully baked. And, and, and.

Net-net, life in technology land is never boring....

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 21:31 4

7. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


well google developed a tool so compnies can speed up updates, will see how that works out

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 22:20 1

17. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Yes, I personally have my fingers crossed waiting for JB on my RAZR. If the rumors are true and JB is going to be released for the G-Nexus in approx. 10-ish days, it would seem to argue for a similar rapid release on the RAZR. The stars certainly would seem to be in alignment - Moto is owned by Google, the RAZR and G-Nexus are distributed on the same carrier (VZW) in the U.S. I am cautiously hopeful....

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 22:34 3

19. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


The HSPA+ GNex will get JB in 10-ish days, not the Verizon Nexus. Verizon will delay that for sure

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 23:44

23. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Arrrgh :-( Although I didn't expect a JB upgrade for my RAZR in 10 days. 3 months would be a fabulous outcome. Although realistically, I have higher expectations that a RAZR HD would come with JB out-of-the-box before my RAZR gets a JB upgrade.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 04:29 2

32. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


rooted running now, i feel sorry for other verizon peeps

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 21:00 2

3. Synack (Posts: 677; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Not on JB? Buy a Nexus. Problem solved...... forever.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 22:21 2

18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Unless you are half-way through a 2 year contract....

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 07:09 1

33. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


Its only $350 off contract...

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 21:23 11

4. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)


Great read Michael. This also has a direct bearing on the current patent giving Samsung so much trouble, the '604 universal search patent. Why? Because intelligent push is based entirely on information contained on an external server.

The '604 patent seems like an obvious invention, but even if it's upheld it's basically guarding the past rather than the way forward.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 21:27 15

5. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


And that's exactly why I hate patent law. By default, it protects the past rather than fostering innovation, which of course was the original intent.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 22:16 1

16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Out of curiosity Michael, how would you encourage innovation in the absence of patents? One argument for patents is that the ability to exercise exclusive control over an invention promotes investment in research and development, which tends to result in patentable inventions. That certainly seems to be a motivating factor in whether a pharmaceutical company drops $5+ billion into developing a new drug.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 22:45 14

20. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Admittedly, I should have specified software patents. Patent law does work relatively well in some areas, like pharmaceuticals where patents push development, but have time limits to lead to cheaper generics eventually.

My issue is that patents were designed to force inventors to publish their work, so everyone could see how it was done and build on it, not to protect investment and creations. Given that spirit, in software the easiest path away from patents would be with open source. Show your work, have functional software, not just descriptions of theoretical systems, and above all else, keep in mind that this s**t isn't being "invented", it's being built on previous works, like art.

I mean, let's just use some damn common sense every once in a while. Does it really benefit anyone to consider the idea of making data like phone numbers or addresses linkable as a patentable idea? Does it really spur innovation to say that only one company can make a digital latch (slide to unlock)? Let's be more discerning with these things.

At the very least, let's crowd-source patent reviews to help out the obviously overworked USPTO.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 23:53 2

24. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


You have some totally valid points about software patents that are at best questionable as regards innovation (I would argue that a scrolling bounce at the top/bottom of a window is not patentable, but that is only my opinion). A number of thought-leaders in the patent prosecution space have advocated for crowd-sourcing reviews. Crowd-sourcing reviews can be a way to help examiners who may or may not understand the subject matter being disclosed in a particular application. Unfortunately, the PTO doesn't seem to be one of the subscribers to the crowd-sourcing concept.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 00:19 3

25. remixfa (Posts: 14261; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Here is one of the only areas I wish we would see some government intervention. Have a Congressional hearing on the whole tech patent matter. Have Google, Apple, MS, and the rest all come in, sit down, and hash out "common" features that can not be sued over.. such as universal search, contacts, grids,slide to unlock, rectangles, and more That way the base pieces of a smartphone are off limits and the more OS specific pieces such as how Siri works or GooNow works can stay protected.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 00:41 5

26. firelightx (Posts: 71; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


such as universal search, contacts, grids,slide to unlock, rectangles, and more

First off, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Some government intervention is necessary. However... a pow-wow between the heavy hitters will go absolutely nowhere. Why? Simply put... every single patented idea you just mentioned? Owned by Apple.

Apple stands nothing to gain and everything to lose by sitting down in such a meeting. They are given only two choices: concede defeat and stop suing everyone, or fight tooth and nail against it and continue suing. Which do you think they'll choose?

No, what needs to happen is what XDA is pushing for. There need to be a united force against Apple, comprised of every major android manufacturer, perhaps pooled together by Google's efforts, and they need to bring the unholy legal smackdown upon Apple. If Apple can get the Nexus banned in the U.S. for slide to unlock, surely one of the dozen some odd Android manufacturers has a patent that can bury the iPhone for a little while.

And unlike Samsung, who has a hundred different models across a hundred different carriers... the iPhone is just 1 phone. And America is it's best selling market. Get it banned here... and watch Apple's stock just plummet like a rock.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 11:22

41. MartyK (Posts: 852; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


I Agree 100% with you FIRE!, bring the heat!

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 15:28

44. remixfa (Posts: 14261; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


while that would be a hillarious and completely needed ironic twist of fate, if that was going to happen, i think it would have happened by now since both HTC and Samsung have run into shipment issues due to Apples BS.

Also, that does nothing to solve the problem which is how patents are awarded in the first place for tech. Having them "hash it out" would be the nice step before full on government intervention declaring everything FRAND and overhauling the patent system so generic crap and paper napkin drawings can no longer be qualified for patents.

Of course Apple has the most to lose. They are by far the biggest patent troll in the industry. They are doing it legally, though, so the problem isnt with them (they are just abusive assholes), the problem is with the system.

posted on 07 Jul 2012, 08:33 1

35. roscuthiii (Posts: 2227; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Michael Heller for Secretary of the USPTO! 2012!

(Or Judge Posner)

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 21:34 3

8. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


i have a feeling will see '604 disabled by the end of the battle or better...

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 21:27

6. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


I always love reading with MIchael writes.

If you are reading this, I have a (few) question(s): do you actually know or contact other PA writers/editors/whatever you guys call yourselves?
Do you guys just work at home, or do you have a PA office?

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 21:35

9. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


you can I have jJV on twitter and michael on G+

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 22:02

14. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Sorry... I don't quite understand your comment.

posted on 06 Jul 2012, 22:50 3

21. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I think he misunderstood your question. He thought you were asking how to get to know/contact us (which would be via Twitter for John V or G+ for me).

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