Google Now will look at your Gmail in order to remind you of a planned event
0. phoneArena 13 Jun 2014, 01:12 posted on
Google Now is a lot like Santa mixed with the NSA. In a new feature being by rolled out by Google, the virtual personal assistant knows if you've been naughty or nice, while all the time it is monitoring your Gmail account for certain buzz words. Remember, Google Now is supposed to present you information you need, when you need it. By keeping an eye on your Gmail (and other Google services by the way), Google Now knows your schedule, but it is for a good cause...
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1. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
I no longer use Gmail because:
- no push, outside Google's app
- Google can read my mails just because it wants
- Google can forward my mails to 3rd party companies
- Google pushes adds in Gmail interface, adds based on my conversations
Need I have another reason?!
9. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
-I have push on other apps go check again
-so can do every email company
-can you prove that?
-so do other companies
I really dislike selective paranoids
12. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Exactly. I hope that person doesnt use yahoo or Hotmail and think its all squeaky clean there.
16. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
- What other apps, besides Google Gmail app (I mean push mail)?
- No, Apple - for instance - can only read your mail, based on a court order.
- "Information we share
- Outlook doesn't do it, neither does iCloud; what other mail companies matter? Yahoo is dead, AOL too.
17. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
-push service is available on anyone that implements the protocol (I'll post the name of the protocol but I forgot) so to say a few we have the stock email app for other email from (Motorola, Sony, Samsung, LG etc) I know that because I have 3 gmail accounts and the other two are not on Gmail and I can still get push option, there is also Thunderbird for the PC as well as many other email clients, only one not allowing push is outlook Because they don't use the protocol (they refuse to use it)
-how are you so sure? Then why the new email search index on siri? You know that right?
Do you even read half the stuff you posted? Where the hell you came with the Google forwards your emails?
-outlook doesn't do it? Have you heard of the slype/outlook privacy issues on the past? Have you seen all the information MS said will be available on the Xbox one for devices to monetize on users statistics? And what about the iOS open kit that allows app top take data from the users? And open many of its private tools for devs to exploit and monetize.
So yeah like I said a selective paranoid
19. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
- Nobody, except Google's Gmail app implements that protocol. There's NO native mail app that pushes mails< Motorola doesn't do it, Samsung doesn't do it and sure as hell my HTC that sits in the drawer doesn't do it. Maybe you have an old phone that kept it's imap gmail credentials - that is the only way a non-Gmail app will push mails on your device.
I mean push (instant mails), no 1,2, 5 min check.
Siri is a part of iOS; is like asking me "how come there's a email app that has access to your emails"
- "When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (AND THOSE WE WORK WITH) a worldwide license to USE [...] CREATE DERIVATIVE WORK [...] publicly display and DISTRIBUTE such content."
Do you need me to spell it: Google has the right to read every piece of mail you send through it's services, it has the right to give it to others to read it, it has the right to publish it and even make fun of it.
While you have the right to let Google whatch you fart, I don't want to so I won't use Gmail. Can you cope with that?
- I used Outlook 2 or 3 times, none of the times I had adds pushed into the mail interface; so, although MS can look into your mails, Outlook doesn't pushes mails based on users conversations (not yet, anyway). The rest has to do with the fact you don't read so well the sh*t I write.
22. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
So I took my sweet time to reply to you, hopefully you start actually reading and less guessing around.
-IT f**kING DOES, DEAL WITH IT, how do I know? because I have this on my phone (another gmail account setup)
I have also helped friends set up their Motorola, HTC Samsung devices with multiple gmail accounts outside of the gmail app and push email always works so no you should know better.
-oh so they don't?
straight from skydive terms:
"You understand that Microsoft may need, and you hereby grant Microsoft the right, to use, modify, adapt, reproduce, distribute, and display content posted on the service"
and what apple thinks about their icloud products?
"you grant Apple a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available, without any compensation or obligation to you."
you should read your own privacy statements as opposed to others TOS, thank you.
thanks for your time
23. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
also goole uses IMAP witch it a standard protocol read here
30. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
- I must apologize: it seems like Google re(activated) IMAP on free Gmail (which was not available up until at least march-april when I removed all my gmail accounts from my phone's mail apps).
Cudos for Google.
- If you are not talking about iCloud mail, we're not going to get anywhere. You only partialy quoted the terms:
"BY SUBMITTING OR POSTING such Content ON AREAS of the Service that are ACCESSIBLE BY THE PUBLIC or other users with whom you consent to share such Content, you grant Apple..."
So Apple only reads your content IF YOU LET IT READ IT (or if it has a court order).
33. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
-it has been for over a year, I know I used the service so nice try
34. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
- I'm inclined to believe my phone and sites like androidauthority or xda.
Half a year ago, when I bought an iPhone, neither one of default email client on HTC and Samsung, other mail app on Android (like k9), default mail client on iPhone, Mailbox pushed mails so I ditched Gmail and switched to iCloud.
This option is at most 1 month old (as One M8 default mail client is having problems pushing G mails).
- I have red Google, Apple and MS terms and conditions when I switched from Gmail.
There's nowhere to be found what you have said. You automatically opt to allow Google to read your emails.
Please tell me how can I stop Google from sharing my personl information with 3rd party companies, if that is something I do not want it to do:
37. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
- is your phone a windows phone device? if it is then is MS the one not supporting imap. not Google, a quick Google (or bing search) will turn with news dated from 2012 soooooo....
-like I said you selectively read the policy, not only ignoring the fact that they have a unified policy which possess parts from YouTube and other social media services witch are public data you ALREADY SHARE. the rest is ANONIMUS data used for trends
"We may share aggregated, non-personally identifiable information publicly and with our partners – like publishers, advertisers or connected sites. For example, we may share information publicly to show trends about the general use of our services.
also have you actually read iads?
"Precision ad targeting is key not only to the success of your campaign, but also to the experience of our users. Somewhere within our nearly 600 million iTunes accounts is the exact group of people you want to reach. You can use our audience insights to understand what they care about so that your message will resonate. Our targeting is built upon a foundation of registration and media consumption data that's exclusive to iAd. Whether you need specialized insights around their lifestyle, purchase habits, or want to reach your own customers, we’ve got you covered"
so yeah they are basically telling people on their ad network they will know about your tastes and you will get targeted ads base on that, does it sound familiar? YEAH IT DOES it sounds like Google
38. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Up until 2014 I have used BB, iPhone and Android. In 2014 I bought a new iPhone - that's my everyday phone, I put the Android in a drawer (I would have gave it for free but I'm keeping it for tests) and took out the old Nokia E for my business line.
- This is an official Google anouncement called "Google Sync End of Life":
Now, do you still have the audacity to say Google is pushing mails to default mail clients on Android phones?! (IMAP is NOT push email).
- My quote is from "Information we share" chapter of Google Terms. What would you have wanted me to share, the Overview?!
Google has the right to share one's mail contents (one's personal corespondence), get this into you thick skull.
Apple, on the other hand, only read one's mail (the personal corespondence) with a court order.
I quoted from iCloud mail service Terms, you quoted from iAds which is a different service.
39. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
- interesting enough you've morphed your original quote "no push, outside Google's app" to how Google pushes email, Google offers push services via imap for apps outside of Gmail. Is still push email and works.
-so iads gets its information from thin air? Are you so delusional that you read how iads is offering targeted ads based on YOUR INFORMATION. How do they get it? Oh yeah from you.
If you don't understand you're also being cashed on by Apple and MS too then there is no point on continuing
40. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
- Push mail means pushing mail, imap means polling mail.
Unlike you, I have always said the same thing (you had me doubt my info but I was right from the first time): Google doesn't push Gmail outside it's mail app; it suports imap but no push.
Stop arguing with me, go to Google and tell it that it knows sh*t: your phone can push Gmails... although, according to Google itself, there's no server that provides push services for free Gmail accounts.
- I don't give a crap about iAds as I don't send my mail through iAds, I send them through iCloud and iCloud terms says what I have quoted.
Fk, you made me waste a lot of time with your bs bias!
41. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
"Google Sync was designed to allow access to Gmail, Google Calendar, and Contacts via the Microsoft® Exchange ActiveSync® protocol. With the recent launch of *CardDAV*, Google now offers similar access via *IMAP*, *CalDAV*, and *CardDAV*, making it possible to build a seamless sync experience using open protocols" (aka we don't want to pay MS for using active sync) and with the picture above it should be already clear
Google sync was an app they developed and they stopped using it when they started using their new protocols outside for services outside of Gmail then the app became irrelevant, only made available for business to allow them to continue using the experience for a longer period of time (as companies take time to adapt)
Also about the iads iads it's not a mail service, it's an advertisement service created by Apple in order to give devs another solution besides adworks, in order to monetize, for ads to be effective (and make money) they must possess data that they get from users. You don't see iads because you're not a developer interested in monetizing of the service, but Apple indeed gathers data from users just like Google.
But arguing has become kina pointless
42. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Dude, it is not my fault you don't know what are you talking about.
I said Gmail accounts don't support push and I gave you a link where Google confirmed what I have said. And, yet, you continue to say stupid things.
I repeat, maybe you are able to understand: Google only pushed free Gmail account mail on it's mail app.
Apple's terms of services say it clearly: Apple only has access to personal content with a court order. Period.
iAds might be using content shared by users (see what you have quoted) or content made public by users, but nowhere have I found the possibility for Apple to read my mails or to forward them to 3rd parties as I found in Google's terms.
Don't be as stupid as to take side of a bad service; I wouldn't do that mistake.
If tomorrow iCloud would not meet my requirements but Gmail would, I would switch back to Gmail the next second.
43. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
"- I must apologize: it seems like Google re(activated) IMAP on free Gmail (which was not available up until at least march-april when I removed all my gmail accounts from my phone's mail apps).
Cudos for Google."
With your above post you have proven to being quite stubborn not only you claim imap was not supported but now you want to make Sligh changes into your words to make it sound like you meant something different, are you trying to make a fool of me? Not only you gave kudos to Google by saying they "reactivated it" but now you want to change what you meant?
About iCloud I'll let you believe whatever you want, think that your data is safe from other eyes, and think that Google forwards your emails to other companies. Time will show you not to believe what companies tell you to the very word.
I won't reply anymore as I think we will simply not reach an agreement on anything except that we agree to disagree
44. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
It was a simple error - I admit I can have one of those; how is that changing the fact that free Gmail account can't push - and could have never pushed - mails since the end of 2012?!
About iCloud, Gmail, Outlook: I believe what I read in the terms of our agreements.
When I see Apple telling me it doesn't read my emails, I tend to believe it until proven otherwise.
When I see Google telling me it can read and forward my email without my consent, I also tend to believe it.
There's no disagrement, mofo: verba volant, scripta manent and Google has written in it's terms the fact that it can read my mofo mails.
So, fu Google! Go shove your fking Gmail up your as and read protozeloz mails, not mine.
46. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
you know what I tried being nice and ad all, but I have news for you so f**k you icloud also uses Imap for your "non push needs"
using your logic icloud doesn't have push either because it uses imap protocol outside their main app, and Google possesses its gmail app available on most mayor mobile OS's with "real push" whereas you have yo rely on imap for "non push push email" I hope you can read sarcasm over there.
47. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Are you trying to be stupid or it comes natural?!
I now use an iPhone.
I'm sure Gmail account - where you get adds, which can be red by Google and everyone else Google wants to give your mails, which is pushed only in it's app - is good for YOU; I only said why I don't use it anymore.
Is this ok with you?
Because if it's not, I have no choice but to return to Gmail... not.
18. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
You lost all credibility when you said outlook doesnt do it too.
As in the replacement for hotmail, not the stand alone outlook client.
20. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Show me a print screen with Outlook pushing adds in the mail and I will retract everything.
24. sgodsell (Posts: 1446; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
What the hell do you think Cortana on WP is going to be doing? It has to look at a users emails to check for flight information or packages. If you think Microsoft's Cortana is not going to be checking your email for the necessary information. Then where is it suppose to get the information? Out of the authors butt. Bend over Alan F. You are to supply every WP users information out of your butt.
I can't believe the stupidity of some people.
26. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Here you go:
I had 1 with it in the inbox too, but this is in the email itself. Progressive ad. Looks like they still do use pic ads too, shame. I have most ads blocked so I dont even know how this is showing up, I thought I wasnt going to have anything to show.
27. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
And checking both outlook.com and Gmail, you can opt out of/block ads in the emails and change some other things in ad settings.
outlook .com has a setting for personalized ads or generic ads...one or the other. Gmail has the option to block specific ads..
Looks like Google is more for the user in this case.
It would really help to try to be unbiased when info is readily available for anyone to see.
Btw....my Gmail has no ads in the inbox....go figure....
31. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
First of all, let me start by saying I live in EU; things might be a bit different here.
That's called "3rd party content" and it's public information based on your Facebook or Twitter profiles; you can turn it off (or it will never display info if you have not connected your F or T accounts with hotmail).
In Outlook settings I found no option for adds...
35. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
In outlook.com the settings ...its a lil link under the ad...like in Gmail its a lil question mark above the ad.
As for 3rd party content, it says specifically in the outlook ad settings its either personalized or generic ads: one or the other. Personalized would be based on search results and other things.
Just like Gmail ads.
Only major difference is I can outright block every ad in Gmail if I chose to, in outlook I cant.
25. sgodsell (Posts: 1446; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Do you have a WP device? For your other posts. It looks like you do. So brain wave you are going to use WP8.1 and Cortana right. So what do you think Cortana is going to do when it needs say flight information? That's why Microsoft gives users the opt in for Cortana. (Just like Google Now). So Cortana can read your emails for the necessary information. So if you think Microsoft is not reading your emails, then think again.
10. wilsong17 (Posts: 1095; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)
you sir are full of bs
google admid they read the email for virus and for information so it can be display on google now
can you prove your info was sold by google to others company
if you go to google setting there a big check that say opt out of Advertisement
21. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
It has no right to go through my personal conversations; even to check for viruses. That's the law and Google breaks it.
When I see an add that uses an information from my email, would it be safe to say Google sold it through AdSense?
You can opt out only from personalized add.
That doesn't mean Google can't access your personal conversations for other purposes.
28. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Please read thru all the Settings links.
You can severely gimp Google Now by disabling everything.....but it can be disabled. Since the post you was responding to mentioned Google Now...please explain how a virtual assistant is supposed to be good without knowing your information? Compare Google Now to an actual human assistant.
Only difference is you can pick and choose what the human assistant actually knows about. Maybe one day Google Now, Siri, Cortana will have that option.
29. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Pick n choose as in leave out specific emails, texts. etc.
32. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
I have no problem with apps (like Siri, GN) accessing my content in a secure way (so secure that Google, Apple or other company can't store, share, modify it without my express consent; see Touch ID - my prints are mine alone, iCloud - content can be accessed by Apple and by 3rd party persons only by court order or by me allowing that etc).
I, however, have a big problem when a company pushes adds based on my personal conversations.
You can accept live streaming to Google with you taking a dump, if that's both your choice; but don't ask me to do the same and don't act like it's normal for a company to watch me taking my dump.
36. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
As part of our ongoing commitment to respecting your privacy, we won't use your documents, photos or other personal files or what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail to target advertising to you.
The new updates to these will take effect on July 31, 2014. If you continue to use our services after July 31, 2014, you agree to the updated terms or, if you don't agree, you can cancel your service at any time."
As in they did the exact same thing in outlook.com before the changes.. seems like in their other online services too.
Cant always single out 1 company when others do it too.
45. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
2 - 1 against Google.
Who is stupid enough to accept adds inside one's email when one can use a different mail service?!
11. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3762; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
I no longer use Gmail because:
-- I don't support Google's close partnership with the NSA to undermine the Constitution of the United States of America and ultimately to utterly destroy personal liberty and freedom.
14. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
You do realize the NSA had back doors in Windows for years, right? I hope you use OS X or Linux.....although
I suggest you read up on the details of Prism and the other companies involved....and stop trying to always single Google out.
15. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Also....please look at the 2nd screen shot...and read the entire article, specifically the last paragraph, thanks.
2. bayhuy (Posts: 307; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
And I no longer use Gmail because:
Nobody writes me! :-(
4. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3618; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Yo Dawg, I heard you dont like Gmail, so we give you pathetic mail clients like rediffmail and hotmail(LOL), so you can be more productive(?). BTW good luck uploading attachments and finding the send button, not to mention the old HTML UI.
5. DarkStar286 (Posts: 70; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)
Seeing as Hotmail no longer exists (and hasn't done for a while now) I'm guessing you've not used Microsoft's replacement for it, Outlook. I was solely a Gmail user, but the moment I tried the new Outlook service was an instant convert. The design of the website is so much better than Gmail's (in my opinion) and generally I find it much nicer to use.
6. Deaconclgi (Posts: 329; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
I have had my hotmail account since 1997 and still use it. Sure, when signing in, it takes me to the Outlook inbox (much better than the old hotmail inbox) but I am glad I got to keep my hotmail email address. I created my account when hotmail first became available in highschool and "electronic mail is going to mean the end of snail mail" was being taught. Exciting and good times!
8. DarkStar286 (Posts: 70; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)
Yes, I know they allowed people to keep their @hotmail.com accounts within Outlook, but my point was that Hotmail no longer exists as a service and the OP didn't seem to be aware of this. He was right about the old Hotmail web interface being terrible, but the redesigned Outlook site is nothing less than awesome and the integration with their other online services is streets ahead of Google's offering.
13. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Only thing really different is text ads (outlook.com) vs picture ads (hotmail) as far as the email services go.
And its still slower than gmail.
7. joey_sfb (Posts: 3261; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Badly written article. When I check the author. Wow! Surprise! Alan F.