Google Now has me locked in with all Google services, but I'm not sure I'm thankful for that
0. phoneArena 30 Nov 2013, 12:46 posted on
Big companies are always looking to add new features or create new products that will help to "lock you in" to their ecosystems. Apple has been best known for this by controlling the entire line from hardware to software and the integration between those products. No company is innocent when it comes to this, but it is always in how the lock is set that makes the difference. For me, Google Now has been the best lock yet, but I'm not sure I'm happy about it...
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2. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 2846; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
So what point are you trying to make?
3. Commentator (Posts: 2183; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
It's (pretty obviously) that while he loves Google Now, he'd like to see it open to more platforms.
4. Carlitos (Posts: 265; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Great article. It would be great to Google services such as Now on Windows phone.
But honestly Google is hesitant to give some of those features to ios devices. So i doubt we will see this in the near future for windows phone. Although Windows phone has made big strides, its market share still pales in comparison to Android which is almost 80% of the worlds market share.
5. Leo_MC (Posts: 394; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
I red the article very carefully because - as I don't see it myself - I wanted to understand what can Google Now do for me.
It can tell me the route from/to work? I go there everyday - I'm not so dumb as to forget the directions...
Weather? I have it by looking out the window (and I still have to search for other towns I travel because GN doesn't know where and when I travel - which is a good thing).
Events? I already have calendar notifications.
About the ability of a software to dermine what I like (It's not GN related, but it's based on the same principle): since I watched a few sec of a bad song on Youtube, Google keeps showing me that song in suggestions.
Another example: let's say one searches for a name on the internet which happens to also be of a porno star; when one goes home to one's spuse and child and shows them pictures from the delegation, GN gives them all a card with the latest porno movie they can rent from the store across the street...
See, I find Google Now to be rather arrogant; sure I could be wrong but I don't see a valid reason to believe so.
9. FYoung (Posts: 27; Member since: 08 Oct 2013)
"It can tell me the route from/to work? I go there everyday - I'm not so dumb as to forget the directions..."
Yes, but do you know that there's a traffic jam, how best to avoid it and how much earlier you need to leave because of the traffic? Google Now does.
"Weather? I have it by looking out the window (and I still have to search for other towns I travel because GN doesn't know where and when I travel - which is a good thing)."
Yes, but do you know the weather forecast this afternoon? And yes Google Now knows everywhere you will be travelling and the weather there, and when you have to leave, and what route is best, if you have your appointments set in the Google calendar or any other calendar that is synced to it.
"Events? I already have calendar notifications."
Yes, but Google Now can remind you how early to leave due to traffic.
"Another example: let's say one searches for a name on the internet which happens to be of a porno star too; when one goes home to one's spuse and child and shows them pictures from the delegation GN gives them all a card with the latest porno movie they can rent from the store across the street..."
I don't understand how Google Now would do that.
All in all, the advantage of Google Now is its integration of many small things that don't amount to much by themselves (except search, which is huge) but add up to a unique and useful service, like the article says. Google Now is far from perfect, but it reportedly is already better than Siri and will likely get better. And yes, you have to trade quite a bit of privacy to get the most from it. Whether it's worth it is up to you.
18. FYoung (Posts: 27; Member since: 08 Oct 2013)
PS: one other little thing, but I am not sure if it comes from Google Now or another Google service:
Google sends me an email whenever my name or email address pops up on any web page anywhere in the world for the first time. I can set whether I want to be advised immediately, or on a daily or weekly basis. I like that.
28. Leo_MC (Posts: 394; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
I listen to the radio on my way to work; the local stations know where is a traffic jam (also, I live in an european city: we have lots of seccondary streets).
Unless you live in Fukushima you pretty much know how the weather is going to be the entire day...
Well, I don't tell my phone where I'm going to travell - I tell my wife but not my phone - so Google Now can't possibly know.
Maybe a person in my pictures looks like that porno actress... I don't know how GN thinks, it's an effing robot; If this system is smart why on earth would Youtube be suggesting me to listen to Bieber when neither me, nor anyone else ever opened one of his songs?!
29. MartyK (Posts: 669; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Not to mention, Google Now give me the scores of my favorite team.. Lol,
Life is good in G-Land; and Mike H. This is Google product, they don't have to offer it to any platform.
Why do you and Microsoft feels Google need to give their product away?, I can't understand this; force Apple to give away Siri to other platforms
10. caustictoast (Posts: 24; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
It'll give you traffic to work not necessarily directions. You can use voice search for weather and it can tell you if you're taking a flight. When I'm flying to and from my school I do like to know what kind of clothes to bring. And just because you don't want today's weather doesn't mean you don't want the upcoming report. It can tell your upcoming calendar events, generally what's in the next few hours at a glance rather than having to wait for a notification to pop up. Google has safe search. It won't tell you a porn unless you're looking for it.
More than anything it makes everything convenient and in one place. Which many people like
12. Commentator (Posts: 2183; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
"I wanted to understand what can Google Now do for me."
It sounds more like your stretching to find excuses to NOT understand what it can do for you (SMH at the porno example... one of the dumbest things I've ever read here...)
One [actual] example of how GN has helped me: I've used Google quite extensively for news regarding smartphones, tablets, etc. To that extent, Google Now will suggest various articles regarding mobile tech from sources that I would most likely have missed. It's done the same with my taste in movies and sports.
30. Leo_MC (Posts: 394; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
I realy want to understand but I'm not willing to accept that a it is usefull just because one tells me it is.
I like better the Nokia way: locations/business information integrated with camera.
Waze: I want traffic info, I open an app.
Weather: If I travel by plane, I have plenty of time to open the app, if I travel by car, I don't care.
Various articles: have you ever used Twitter? not only you get suggestions, you get tweets with articles.
Siri: i tell it, she follows (not the other way arround).
If GN can predict what you want, what you're going to do, where you're going to go, than your life is way too dull. You should change it in a way a robot would never be able to follow you around ;).
14. Commentator (Posts: 2183; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
(Also, lol at "Weather? I have it by looking out the window." To the same effect: "email? I have it by handing the postman letters.")
33. Pancholo (Posts: 370; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
"...when one goes home to one's spuse and child and shows them pictures from the delegation, GN gives them all a card with the latest porno movie they can rent from the store across the street..."
You might wanna take a look at your filter settings, buddy. Also, it looks like you're trying too hard.
Face it - integration is what everybody wants at some point in their lives. Some people simply take longer to accept change. Anyway, have fun tapping on your apps individually! (Like it's so much work, but hopefully you get my point!)
37. Leo_MC (Posts: 394; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
But if I buy a Windows Phone or an iOS, I still have integration but I don't have to "look at my filter settings"...
6. androiphone20 (Posts: 1118; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
wow this is a longread, better save it to Pocket
7. winter_hat (Posts: 64; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
I'm sick of Google riding a pass as if they are some sort of renegade. They are officially the man, the machine, they have a grasp on you and they won't let go. No longer do I consider them a source of freedom and inspiration and it's funny how they still seem to inspire those thoughts? If you need any indication of how talented and innovative they are, witness the absolute disastrous joke known as YouTube. If any other company did that to one of their prime resources, the stock would've plummeted. They don't care about you, I, freedom, privacy, nothing but money.... at any and all costs.
11. caustictoast (Posts: 24; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
Maybe you should actually try it instead of just assuming. Works perfectly for me
15. winter_hat (Posts: 64; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
I have it on my Nexus. Also had it on my S3, which I traded to my son, for said Nexus, when I went to BB10. They need to work on better battery life, improved antenna technology and reception, security and privacy, and improved UI (just steal BlackBerry 10, the Z30 does all of it.) Things we all need, instead of gimmicks some like, some hate, most don't use.
16. dratomic (Posts: 335; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)
i cant help but feel like google is forcing everybody to use their services. like theyre pushing google plus down peoples throat. user count does not qualify as popularity. for example i have signed up for a lot of services like g+ or instagram just to dip a toe. but never returned.if something is good and useful people will crave it. theres no need to make people use googles less than stellar services.
21. grahaman27 (Posts: 237; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Active users, they always quote active users. Google plus IS STELLAR primarily because its not just a social media platform. I wish google marketed it under another category of services because nobody wants another Facebook. I hate Facebook and I don't post on google plus but I still use it for other features like news, twitter like following, play game sync, online conversation tracking etc...
17. sprockkets (Posts: 939; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
I stopped reading the article after reading this:
"It's why Microsoft got into so much trouble when it was making Internet Explorer the default browser in Windows and bundling Office; and, why it was initially forced to split the company into the operating system and software divisions."
Sorry buddy, but you better re read the history books and see that the simple act of bundling IE wasn't the real issue. And Office was never, ever bundled for free or as a whole.
19. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5639; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
I only use my Google account YouTube/gmail and Google voice search service. Haven't tried GOOGLE DRIVE since I don't use it.
20. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I'm not really sure if I get what you're saying here Michael.isn't Google Now meant to be a one stop shop for all Google products? So why would they want users to use anything else?
as far as I know there is no ability to go into iTunes Store and purchase and Android App. Siri doesn't use Nokia maps for directions. So why Google should make Google Now... non Google?
22. JakeLee (Posts: 372; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
Neither Apple nor Nokia pretended to be open, but Google has done.
Read below :
24. winter_hat (Posts: 64; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Great article, thanks. Articulated what I've been thinking but didn't know how to research/say. Hypocritical frauds.
26. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
What does any of that have to do worn this particular app? It doesn't matter if you're open or not, it seems to me the app is meant to showcase all of Goggle's apps, not everyone else's. This app follows a totally different philosophy from the OS.
27. o0Exia0o (Posts: 275; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Oh where to start....
First off your comment has noting to do with Michael's article. That being said lets get in to the nitty gritty of the article you referenced.
Android (Vanilla Android) is now and has always been, to this point, open source. Any one who wants can install Android and run it on any hardware they want. Google services are not required to run Android. In fact if you don't want to use Google services (and this is the GREAT part of Android) you don't have to, you can side load a different app store from some where else and any other services apps you want to make Android the way that you want. Just about any problem with service apps in the article you mentioned has at least one big fault, and that is if you don't like or want to use Google services you don't have to. ASOP (Android Open Source Program) code can be found on the web and downloaded by any one at any time.
Google's version of Android is actually a forked version of Android. Any apps produced by Google are Google's property. If your mad about Google's decision then that's on you, but before you get your panties in a bind and cry because of what action Google has taken with their apps then you need to channel your anger in the right direction. The OEMs who run Google's Android on their hardware are the reason that Google has moved their apps from ASOP to the app store. OEMs add their own layer on top of Google's Android there by making it harder and more time consuming to update to the newest version of Google's Android and this is the reason that Google has moved their core services to Google play. Google wants everyone to have the latest version of their service apps so that every one can have the same great experience instead of waiting on OEMs to up to the latest version of Google's Android.
Any one can fork a version of Android at any time that they want. Don't believe me? Then just look at Amazon's Kindle OS. It is a forked version of Android. It is not Google's responsibility (if a company decides to fork and make their own version) to provide or make any of their services available to the company who decide to fork android. Google is a business and businesses are around to make money. All of the services provided on Google's Android are free to use by the end user because Google makes their money from the placement of ads in their services.
So in conclusion what I am saying is that the article you reference is complete and utter bull hockey and if you knew anything about Android you would know better. Ill be awaiting your angry response
31. JakeLee (Posts: 372; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
So, Google is still the good guy?
It used to pretend to be one at least, but it's now showing its true face supported by so many brainwashed trolls.
34. Pancholo (Posts: 370; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
I'm legit curious: Which company is a good guy?
35. o0Exia0o (Posts: 275; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
I don't know what you precive that Google has done to wrong you. So I'll let you explain your stance, if you can.
How are Google's business practices any worse than say Apple or Microsoft?
25. JunkCreek (Posts: 379; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
But, now, google stripped google maps features down from the sky high, to the sea level. They aren't Google but Goohell. Bring back my bony to me... Oops... Bring previous Google Maps 6.14 feature back to the user.
36. buccob (Posts: 1046; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
I tried Google Now, but in my country the traffic is so unpredictable that it is kind of useless...
Waze is better for that...
The weather is not something we worry much in this tropical city with basically 2 seasons, dry and rainy.
And I care very little on sport articles or other suggestions I looked in there...
I actually wouldn't mind turning it on if it wasn't such battery hog. In my phone, Google Now wakes my device almost 1000 times a day even without any input. Big chunk of the battery usage