Google Nexus One not getting ICS, but Nexus S will in a few weeks
0. phoneArena 26 Oct 2011, 12:08 posted on
Google has confirmed that the Nexus S will be getting the update to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich in the next few weeks, but that the Nexus One will never get the official update because it simply isn't powerful enough...
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48. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
i agree that smartphones should be supported for up to 2yrs but I'm pretty sure the nexus one is under 2years old..
but I wonder how XDA manages to keep a better experince with updated softwares that carriers and manufacturers didnt provide.
i know all the logics you're giving me are reasonable, it's just that this business arent suppose to run that way..
i currently own a desire hd, i don't expect to get an official ICS but I'm sure XDA will have it pretty soon..
52. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
The Nexus One was released in January 2009, so it's close enough to 2 years old.
XDA makes it work often by pulling features. Obviously, not having the Sense UI packed in helps a lot for performance and storage concerns.
Why aren't businesses supposed to favor innovation over supporting legacy devices? I'd say that innovation is better for everyone, including consumers.
54. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
nope, Nexus one was released January 2010. If it's released 2009 i could understand if it wont get ICS.
Well i dont think innovation will be altered if they will support devices such as the nexus one, it will just make consumers who arent ready to get a new device a happy camper and will most likely get a new device from the same company..
and after market support is always a huge factor which i think is a sign of a good business..
57. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Sorry, you're right, January 2010, still close enough to 2 years ago, and all other points stand.
65. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
but the 3GS is more than 2years old now.. it clearly shows that Apple outdoes Google as far as software updates go.
I don't know man, if I own a nexus one or a similar model who wont get ICS and I'm not into rooting, I'd be pissed.
I'm sure my Desire HD will get ICS over XDA, but unfortunately I'll be getting a new phone Q1 next year.
75. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I'd rather not keep having this debate in this comment thread where no one can see the ideas. I'm in the process of writing up a new column expressing my ideas on the innovate vs legacy debate. I hope to see you there. You've been great at getting me to coalesce my thoughts on the topic, so I'm hoping your comments will be able to make the new column better.
44. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3087; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Agreed Remix, you know how many people would still own the original Droid and Droid X if they were running Android 2.0 and 2.1? Lol this guy right here
46. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
well I don't think so. I normally switch phones once or twice every year. I just feel sorry about non root users not getting the latest softwares as they're supposed to.
39. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3087; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Exactly! People were pissed that the original Droid didn't get gingerbread. It had issues running 2.1 even. It worked good at the time on the stock 2.0 but it went down hill from there. Yet amazingly enough people were easily able to get gingerbread by rooting and putting a gingerbread rom on it.
56. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
that's what I'm saying, and the most amazing part about it is, those dev geniuses are working for those ROMs for free.. imagine what kind of resources these people have compared to the carriers and manufacturers.. and another thing, the gingerbreads from XDA worked flawlessly on those devices.. I'm sure these carriers and manufacturers can do better.
68. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i bet money its the size of the upgrade thats killing it, not the phone itself. older phones have next to no internal storage. how are you going to fit a huge completely new OS on a device with no storage?
72. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
yeah that's what I'm saying.. Google could've made a "LITE" version of ICS intended for old devices(2years and below). A stock Android Gingerbread OS usually run around 100MB-150MB. If Nexus One has around 512MB of internal memory, I'm thinking its more than enough.
81. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no.. let apple screw customers with "lite" versions of their OS upgrades. Keep it all or nothing.
People get too up and arms over updates.
You buy the phone for what it does ON THE DAY YOU BUY IT, not for what it COULD do in the future. This whole update madness is a recent phenomenon.
82. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5690; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i do think about the big picture when i get a phone but when i get a phone it's gonna be pretty powerful so the updates are pretty much guaranteed to happen at some point but when i think about getting a Samsung handset their far from prompt updates do come to mind and is marked as a pretty serious con against them.
83. gallitoking (Posts: 4717; Member since: 17 May 2011)
"You buy the phone for what it does ON THE DAY YOU BUY IT, not for what it COULD do in the future."
they why you root then,... why customized.. put roms on it,?... dont upgrade to ICS.. then.... hmmm right do as I say not as i do.... that only only works for little kids,..
77. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3087; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
The thing is, I owned a rooted gingerbread OG Droid. Even after overclocking it, it still didn't run as good as it did on stock 2.0. Its processor and extremely low amount of RAM were not made to run anything else. Even IOS as Michael pointed out suffered the same issues through updating new software on older devices as well. ICS is based off of honeycomb and we all know most honeycomb tablets have a dual core processor and 1GB of RAM. So it shouldn't be a surprised that they don't want to ruin your phone by giving it an update it can't handle.
24. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
You must buy new precious androphone to get the latest and greatest from uncle google.
The same was with desire.
And people still complain about Nokia or SE. SE learned sth from the past.
Nokia is still supporting, even oldies like 5800.
Andro is so defragmenting...and so unfair when it comes to updates.
...and HTC as always has cheap excuse.
25. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
"Nokia is still supporting, even oldies like 5800". Yet, Nokia is also abandoning the Symbian system completely in order to support Windows Phone. And, you can be sure that Windows Phone will make old hardware obsolete just like any other OS that wants to keep growing.
35. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if you want the latest features to run well, you need to have the horsepower to run them.
whats worse? not having the features.. or having them and the phone runs like crap 24/7 because it cant handle it?
41. snowgator (Posts: 3448; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Don't lose sight of the fact that it was the software side of Nokia's buisness that was making them bleed profits. They could pump out some great, dependable hardware quickly. But all the groups of engineers and programers trying to keep up with all the versions of the software while also trying to promote new software to compete was killing their bottom line.
Now, HTC uses WP and Android, so of course that doesn't apply here. Basically, it seems you should be able to bet on a top tier device getting the next software upgrade after you buy it. After that, it is either enjoy what you are on, or upgrade, or purchase outright.
31. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Maybe. But that is normal in our tech world, right?
My point is, that they still supporting it. Yes, they want to earn money, but they still supporting this system to 2016.
Abandoning Maemo, now MeeGo is obviously flop. Huge flop.
It's like a very bad joke in mobile phones world.
And Nokia did it. Twice.
I'm saying that tech race is to quick. End user don't even have a time to get familiar to his new toy, and WOW! HEY! I see another.
HTC behaves like his old phones wouldn't exist. No upgrade, buy new ones.
33. protozeloz (Posts: 5392; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
The thing I personally agree with is the lack of internal storage on the device, causing it to be super hard to push a new OS update inside that without removing the new looks and features of the OS. Like it or not Gingerbread barely fit there already
43. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
This is why I don't go out and rush to buy anything that comes out first. The hardware will be outdated and don't get the software upgrade support it needs. Just glad I waited this long to get my Motorola Atrix. After that I'll be getting the GOOGLE NEXUS