Google Nexus One not getting ICS, but Nexus S will in a few weeks
0. phoneArena 26 Oct 2011, 12:08 posted on
Google has confirmed that the Nexus S will be getting the update to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich in the next few weeks, but that the Nexus One will never get the official update because it simply isn't powerful enough...
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1. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
the same story as with desire and gingerbread.
HTC - pure magic and software updates on demand:]
3. JordanCox (Posts: 21; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
What about the Atrix? Who thinks the first Atrix and the Atrix 2 will get ICS?
5. terabyteRouser (Posts: 397; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
This is precisely why I'm getting the Nexus over the HTC Rezound and the Motorola Droid RAZR. The uncertainty of Android updates with these other manufacturers is maddening. Although, a true RGB 720p screen from HTC and the sleek design of the RAZR is tempting, I need my timely updates.
14. ygswagg11 (Posts: 8; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
i agree with you100% you aint never lied razr looks nice and htc rezound but all in all GALAXY neXus will be the better option updates is a big must. whoever dont go with pure google devices needs to be aware that dont get mad when it takes forever for u too to get this recent updates do to manufactuer's if u have a upgrade go nexus u wont regret f**k the design and looks go with nexus for timely updates......and this phone is properly tuned for ICS the htc sense and moto skin slows the entire os down
17. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
the Razr is "properly tuned" as well being that they both use the same processor and i'm willing to bet that Motorola is going with the approach they're making with their Honeycomb customization with ICS on their devices.
47. drodro (Posts: 4; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I think the Razr uses the slightly older and weaker CPU - OMAP4430. The Galaxy Nexus has the 4460. Not sure if this will make a difference in performance.
15. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Motorola is actually really good about software updates. i don't doubt that the Razr will get ICS before the year is over.
18. terabyteRouser (Posts: 397; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
They already announced that it would be released Q1 2012.
19. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
i agree but if you are a root user and prefers custom roms, it doesnt matter.. any of the 3 phones you mentioned are more than welcome..
78. cheeseycheeser (Posts: 294; Member since: 24 Mar 2011)
Since Google is buying Motorola AND the RAZR and Galaxy Nexus share extremely similar processors, I'm not too worried about updates :)
6. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
so i guess phones that are similar to Nexus One won't be getting it huh.. hopefully not..
but i guess as long as xda is here, up to date softwares are here to stay.. =)
7. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
In Google I/O 2011, Google said that they would support updates for every Android device up until 16 months after their release.
8. networkdood (Posts: 5248; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Crap, I guess that will exclude the captivate, so I guess I really do need to get SGS2.
11. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2604; Member since: 26 May 2011)
That's not quite right. Google said at I/O that it was making it part of the Open Handset Alliance agreement that manufacturers push software updates within 18 months of its release. That clause just recently went into effect.
30. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the clause is for devices going forward, not retro compatable.
Samsung said that all 9xxx devices will be getting ICS, including the original SGS1 phones. Just dont hold your breath that its coming soon officially.. hopefully samsung leaks out the builds for ICS like they did for gingerbread to get around carrier slowdown.
49. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2604; Member since: 26 May 2011)
If the Nexus S is getting ICS, it seems obvious that the Galaxy S would get it, since they are relatively the same device.
60. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
there are minor differences, but not many. hopefully XDA will work on a port shortly after the nexusS gets it. :)
9. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2842; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I can't say I'm surprised this isn't getting ICS. It got gingerbread at least and most people who bought the original nexus can now upgrade to the galaxy nexus
26. Goldeneye (Posts: 344; Member since: 22 Jan 2011)
Exactly! Just because you got a Nexus device don't expect Google to support it forever come on! Is reasonable to get a new device
67. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
come on the device is under 2 years old, and not everyone got it on its exact release date.. it's unfair for Google not to update it.
50. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
I am considering the iPhone 3GS got iOS5. I don't really see any excuse for Google not to push ICS on the Nexus One.
55. protozeloz (Posts: 5285; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
The main argument is about storage, the nexus has a puny 512Rom to hold your new OS, gingerbread already make that space really small so ICS might just simply not fit on the storage.
Now when you see the number of updates both the iPhone 3SG and the Nexus Got you see this
-Still On Sale
58. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
i dont think this matters because the Nexus One is still under 2 years of age.. and 3GS is like half a year older than Nexus One..
63. protozeloz (Posts: 5285; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
1)the 3GS has more storage so it can fit a huge OS on its internal memory.
2) Google had a faster update rate, now it seems to be calmed down a bit. so if instead you got One huge OS update a year you will see the nexus one getting one more update
71. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
Apple knows that if they run the full blown iOS 5 like what you see on iP4s on iP4 and 3GS, it wont work as flawless as it should. What Apple did was they cut down the features and stuff on iP4 and 3GS so the new OS will run smooth. Google could've done better.
70. protozeloz (Posts: 5285; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
also how does this does not matter? if they need to remove the new look, and the new features to fit the OS in what you have left?
62. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
name all the feature differences between iOS3 and iOS5.
name all the feature differences between cupcake and ICS.
That is your reason.
It could be an internal storage issue (not enough for the update), it could be a ram issue, it could be a "not strong enough" issue.. it could be a combination of issues.
Remember, android phones from 2 years (and even a year) ago by and large had very little internal storage and were memory card only for everything. How many HTC and Moto phones have been left behind already because they skimped on internal storage and didnt have enough for the update to 2.2 or 2.3.
There is more to it than "we want to force an upgrade".
Thats an apple trick, not a google trick.
61. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
because the difference in iOS4 to iOS5 is minimal.. you added notifications from andriod.
And Apple isnt giving full iOS5 to anyone that doesnt have an i4s. its only a 3/4th upgrade. Siri being the most notable selling point of iOS5 that is missing.
The difference between gingerbread to ICS is quite large. And I would rather have the full update, not some half assed one.
69. Sniggly (Posts: 6404; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
For the most part, Android updates are the full monty; very rarely are certain features withheld for devices. If a phone gets Froyo or Gingerbread, it gets EVERY FEATURE that the update has to offer for every other device. It also runs just as well as on other devices, except in rare instances.
On the other hand, the 3GS is not getting everything that iOS 5 has to offer to the 4S or even the 4. Even then, it's well known that iOS updates will run great on the latest hardware, pretty good on the last generation hardware, okay but not great on the generation before that, and not at all on the previous generation. And that's not even touching on the fact that the major updates Apple puts out tend to brick a high amount of the older phones.
73. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Sniggly once again sums up everything very neatly :D
In addition - just like the G1 got 2.3 eventually - and judging from YouTube - it ran fairly well - so I'm almost certain that such a relatively strong device like the N1 can get ICS via a custom rom, or such.
Hell we might even see some crazy guy running ICS on the G1\Magic\Original Droid. :P
79. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, they had to rip 2.3 to shreds to get it small enough to fit on the G1. they had to do the same with 2.2 They got it to run, but it wasnt full featured.
Like sniggs said. android does all or nothing, not half baked like apple's retro updates.
10. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
is it true that ICS will only support multi core phones?
12. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2604; Member since: 26 May 2011)
The Nexus S is single core, so no that's not true. But a single core phone will need a good enough GPU to be able to run ICS well.
20. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i'm thinking most HTC phones with S1s won't see ICS but phones with OMAP3s, Hummingbirds & S2s could get ICS if manufacturers decide to update them. i could see them saying something like "for the best combined hardware and software experience we have decided not to upgrade this phone past Android 2.3" or something like that.
32. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
This doesnt bode well for the bulk of the single core phones as most use the same setup as the nexus.. the S1 snapdragon chip. If the untouched nexus isnt getting it, that might spell end of the line for other major sets with similar specs like the evo, droid, mytouch4g, ect ect... which concidering the age of some of those sets, isnt completely unheard of.
So if the S1 doesnt make the cut, does the S2 packing phones.. like the G2? hmm.
At least we know the humming bird is supported.. as it is the best of the best of single core chips. :)
36. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2842; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Exactly. Both devices night seem similar the fact that they both have a single core processor but if you get all geek techy the nexus s has better hardware and since it was also made by Samsung they have even more ability.
The original nexus came out back in early 2010 I believe and had a great run. You can't blame or be upset that it isn't getting upgraded. If you passed on the nexus s and have the original nexus, the galaxy nexus will be a huge upgrade.
Wow I hope nobody takes a shot every time I said nexus, they'd be dead!
64. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the nexusS has
way more horsepower
vastly more internal memory for system updates (and thats why i think the nexus1 isnt getting the update)
ICS is basically rewriting the phone. its doing even more. that system update that is coming down is probably huge. I bet money that any phone that lacks a decent amount of internal (not memory card) storage is going to be left out in the cold. Dont blame google for that, blame the manufacturers that took their time putting real memory into the device.. **ahem HTC and Moto**
76. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2842; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Exactly and if you are a tech geek you'll more than likely root and put a custom rom on it anyway then the possibilities are endless.
16. ygswagg11 (Posts: 8; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
and again people need to understand dont everybody root there phones just to get the recent updates i would tell you all to go nexus if u want timely updates and what ever new features google adds down the line kinda like gtalk with video so make your decision wise if not you will regret it later on
66. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i dont know if its quite that fun.. but it is fun none the less :)
74. ilia1986 (unregistered)
"and again people need to understand dont everybody root there phones just to get the recent updates "
Not rooting an Android phone, is like ordering a McDonald's meal - and eating only the fries. You don't even get to the main course.
- Explained in terms most people - especially in America - would understand :)
22. mio15 (Posts: 26; Member since: 21 Mar 2011)
talking about broken promises...
"hardware is simply too old" -> cheap excuse!
Don´t get me wrong, but something doesn´t fit in our lovely Anrdoid Ecosystem.
Every manufactor can code it´s own unique "Android" which is more or less great. But to let the manufactors handle the upgrades for their handsets is just worse. All of the past great devices a struggeling to get even 2.3.x .
What´s the deal? Programming is not often an easy task but look at cyanogen (and they don´t get paid for what they bring to the people).
There is simply one answer... profit!
See HTC (don´t take this too bad, i think HTC is great) don´t push a software update to everyone, no sell the Update Version of a device with 2.3.x and make it "S" for fast.
Wildfire S vs. Wildfire (both CPU < 1Ghz)
2.3.x vs. 2.3.x by Cyanogen
So tell me again that 4.0 would´nt work on a Nexus One
Of course! Not all features can be on board but at least get an updated UI would be great and in my opinion realizable.
"People you won´t geht ICS" = "People spend money for a new device"
23. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2604; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's probably just too hard to divorce the updated UI with all of the other features in ICS. There are basic tradeoffs that need to be made, and to give the Android OS the wow-factor that people have been asking for, rather than a simple utilitarian, but malleable UI, requires horsepower.
I'm sure the Nexus One will be able to run ICS eventually, but we'll have to see how smoothly it will work. Remember the Nexus One also has fairly limited internal storage, so if too much is put into ICS, it just won't run well.
Besides which, the as we've talked about, everyone in the industry is working to fit into the 2 year contract cycle that exists in the US. A 2+ year old phone will still work, but to work to support those devices is just silly. I'd rather see more software improvements that keep up with hardware than to see software lagging behind because it has to support older hardware.
If you really want the new features, it's likely that the root community will be able to help you out. But, if you refuse to upgrade your phone after the standard 2 year contract cycle, you'll miss out on features. No reason to complain about it, because it's your choice to not upgrade and let the tech eclipse you. No one should be telling these companies to slow down their innovation.
27. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
but look at Apple's iOS 5. They made it available for the 3GS which is now 2 years old(older than nexus one). I think the iOS 5 for the 3GS is kinda like a "LITE" version because a lot of features that are on iP4's iOS 5 are missing. But they still manage to nail it that way which I think is great. Of course old hardware and new software sh*t are inevitable but I'm sure they can do it like how Apple did it. They just wanna push consumers to buy a new device. For them it means, less work and more profit.
28. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5470; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
the 3GS is only a few months older than the Nexus One for one thing and Apple still kind of Counts on getting the 3GS out to people that want the iOS experience without having to pay a dime. iOS itself doesn't really push hardware limitations like Android does, as a mere updated App Launcher it doesn't take much to run.
38. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
that shouldnt matter.. what happened to the Nexus promise then? the reason why theres nexus is to be updated when updates are released.. so for me this is a rip off..
59. protozeloz (Posts: 5285; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
People forgets an important factor, storage! check how much storage GB chucked of the N1 it was left with no OS space, this is not about nexus One not being capable of holding the update is about the Nexus One Storage Capability for the new OS to be held
29. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2604; Member since: 26 May 2011)
This is also the first time Apple made the OS work well on a 2 year old device. iOS 4 was terrible on iPhone 3G, and iOS 3 wasn't good on OG iPhones either. You could update if you wanted, but it would likely be a bad experience. Better to just not offer the update at all.
37. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2842; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I vote Michael as the author of the year. Finally someone who actually knows what they are talking about! I could not have agreed more or said it better myself.
40. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
I'm sure if Apple did it, Google could've done better..
34. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
1) iOS isnt nearly as resource heavy as android, and especially not ICS
2) the 3gs is still being sold. the nexus1 went the way of the dodo a long time ago.
3) If manufacturers port a sub par stripped version of ICS to their slower phones, customers will complain about slowdown, ect ect. Ask mytouch3g owners how they feel about android 2.2.. its slooow. Ask a lot of those 3gs owners how they felt about iOS4 and maybe even iOS5.. i hear nothing of complaints about its sluggishness on older sets.
A bad update is WORSE than no update at all.
42. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
1) true, but again, they could've cut it down to where it will run smooth on older devices..
2) should not matter if Nexus one is no longer on sale, again the Nexus has a promise.. update to date software when available.. I can understand if the Nexus one is more than 2years old..
3) I have a 3GS with iOS 5 and it works flawlessly the same as it did on iOS 4.. and again these manufacturers or google itself sure has software geniuses. Imagine those phones who didnt get gingerbreads but XDA manages to keep em up.
and of course these manufacturers and carriers arent stupid to release bad updates..
45. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2604; Member since: 26 May 2011)
The only promise that smartphones have are to be supported for 2 years. That's it. Smartphones are not computers. They need to be more agile than computers because there is more competition and faster iteration of hardware.
Sure, Google could have cut down ICS so it would run smoothly on older devices, but that's not the point of Android or any other modern smartphone OS. The point is to give the best experience to current and future customers. If you want an OS that doesn't iterate in favor of supporting older hardware, that's been a main factor behind systems like Symbian and BlackBerry taking big dives in the market.