Google I/O to see Motorola X with Key Lime Pie?
0. phoneArena 19 Jan 2013, 09:20 posted on
An anonymous source is passing along the word that the Motorola X, the first model from the OEM to be produced in a manner that shows the world that Moto was purchased by Google, will be making an appearance at Google I/O this coming May; the model is said to have a 5 inch edge-to-edge display and runs Android 5.0 while being produced for multiple carriers...
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4. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
will this mean no more nexus devices? i wouldnt see the need for one if this gets launched.
definitely still thinking this will be my next phone. i wonder if it will have an incredibly low price tag like the nex4
8. MeoCao (unregistered)
Nexus is Google brand, and it's important for Moto to have its own strong brand so I think this is great chance to push a new Moto own brand.
92. MeoCao (unregistered)
That ownership has no relation to branding. GG bought Moto, not merged with it.
15. jan25 (Posts: 466; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
i agree, i don't see the point of the Nexus brand if this gets treated like a Nexus when it comes to instant updates. the rumor makes no sense.
27. protozeloz (Posts: 5394; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
A good price on Google play, updates from Google (unlike the Gnex fiasco) and RAZR build quality plus a reduced bezel size looks amazing.... Anyways I have 2 pounds of salt ready for this, its too good to be true
6. willywill_evo (Posts: 162; Member since: 05 Jan 2011)
This is the phone to wait for 3013, the Samsung Galaxy S4 won't have nothing on this unless Samsung also put stock Android 5.0
13. roscuthiii (Posts: 2027; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
I am not waiting until 3013... next February (2014) at the latest, when my VZW contract is up. ;-P
Wait, unless it's available on VZW... great, then what do I do...
61. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
buy it outright. it's possible that Google may continue with cheap, unsubsidized pricing with the X. o:
12. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
While 5.0 sounds nice, it doesnt really have a need. 4.0 is still a brand new system. More than likely KLP will be 4.3
Unlike Apple whom adds 1 new feature and calls it a new OS#, google only really changes the primary number when the OS goes through a massive revision. So unless Google just isnt happy with the ICS look and feel (very unlikely), its very unlikely that KLP will be 5.0.
However, a Goolorola flagship phone is exactly what I've been waiting to see. They can finally answer the question of what a Google controlled phone from top to bottom will look like.
18. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
But this isn't supposed to be a Google controlled phone, according to the rumor. This is supposed to be a new Motorola brand (not a Nexus) that is Motorola's way of competing with Samsung, with it being available on all major carriers (and probably a few smaller ones).
Though it will probably have Nexus-like updates, I would still want the full Google experience of immediate updates. I've been waiting for this as well, but I was hoping it would be Nexus branded to guarantee updates and stock Android, which it won't if it's available across all the major carriers, unless Motorola and Google strike a deal with the carriers (unlikely).
PhoneArena also made a slight error in reporting, in the original rumor at DroidForums they said, "Motorola has been working hard to create a UI that both compliments & enhances the Android experience, and is intended to be Nexus-like. Additionally, they are working on a variety of software add-ons to improve the functionality of the device further, much like several of Samsung's software features, like S Beam for example." As opposed to PA's report that it will have stock Android.
36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
If it were stock android, it would be a Nexus.
If its not a Nexus, then there should be an expectation of some sort of mods to differentiate. There are a lot of neat ideas that manufacturers come up with that will never be in a Nexus, so if Moto comes with a "Stock+" type of UI, I think it could be a real winner. Keep it stock android, but throw in a few sprinkles of other UI's and ideas... without completely reskinning the thing.
42. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Let's just hope Stock+ deosn't delay updates too bad. I mean, if the features are actually notable then a month or two delay is fine, but if they are some virtually worthless novelty add-ons then a lot of people would've just preferred stock with better updates.
I doubt Moto would do that though, they typically have some good features.
64. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i think whatever Motorola adds should have their updates handled by the Play Store. like the Circles Widget and Smartactions.
67. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I love that Circles widget. I don't know why, it's just amazing.
68. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, it's mega useful! between the quick settings page and the Circles Widget i can't make myself use the third party launchers that i want to use. x.x
63. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, my hope is that it would be stock Android but supplemented by Motorola with everything Stock is currently missing. like a Car Mode, the Circles Widget (maybe just cleaned up a little to fall more in line with the Stock design philosophy) Smartactions, you know, little stuff like that. o:
59. Topcat488 (Posts: 1377; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
The quote goes as follows:
"The device will run Android 5.0, Key Lime Pie, and will be the first Motorola handset that lets the world know that the company is owned by Google."
69. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Remixfa was saying that this X phone was what he was waiting to see, a phone completely inspired by Google. I was just pointing out that this wasn't going to be such a pure Google device as he was expecting because PA reported it wrong (they fixed it now) by saying it would have stock Android when the original source (DroidForums) said that Motorola was making a custom UI to add onto stock Android, thus being not entirely Google, but still with some independent Motorola additions.
The device will probably be the first to run Key Lime Pie (but I think it'll be 4.3 not 5.0), but PA originally said it would be *stock* KLP, but in reality (of the rumor) it was KLP with Motorola customization.
I really wanted it to be a Nexus branded device, with no skin and guaranteed updates, but because of this custom UI and carrier distribution (without an update deal), I was concerned that updates would be just as delayed as all the other devices.
Just because it's the first released with the new OS version doesn't mean it'll be the pure image of Google. Motorola is still an independent company that makes independent decisions for its own devices, and unless this device is branded "Nexus", it won't be a pure Google device like everyone is hoping. Google is just giving Motorola a pat on the back by giving them first dibs on the new OS according to this rumor.
62. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
it could possibly be 5.0. it's not so much that 4.x is still a new OS, i think we're just content with it.
14. mariosraptor (Posts: 111; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)
f**k YES!!!! Nerdgasm ohhhh. i need my fix Google!!!
17. jroc74 (Posts: 5825; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Ahhh!! A phone bigger than 4.7" !! lol.
If this turns out to be true....it figures. Samsung is having success with the bigger phones. Moto is my fav Android manufacture.....and would be the only time I try a phone bigger than my Maxx HD. I seriously dont like this bigger phone tho...oh well. Get with the times I guess...lol.
Hope this is true.
19. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
But at least it will have almost no bezel like the Razr M (if the rumor is right). If so, it shouldn't be any bigger than the GS3, maybe even a bit smaller.
65. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
the X is probably what the Razr M HD is supposed to compliment in the budget category on Verizon. o:
86. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Makes so much sense now.
Motorola Droid Razr X - super high end phone
Motorola Droid Razr M HD - mid ranged budget phone
I'm sure they won't make it another Razr though, will they? Isn't the X phone supposed to distributed across carriers, it can't really do that if it's a Razr branded device seeing as though those are Verizon exclusive, unless I'm mistaken.
And if they give Verizon their own version of their flagship, that'll take away from the whole Samsung competition as there is no one unified device across all carriers.
105. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Actually, it was never the Razr name that was exclusive to Verizon. It's the Droid name, which Verizon licensed from Lucasfilm. The original, original Razr, the flip phone, was available on pretty much every carrier ever. Up until the iPhone 3G it was the best selling phone ever made. Motorola could probably use the Razr name on every carrier again IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO. I personally would like to see that.
110. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yeah, I'm losing it a bit. When it gets late into the afternoon, and you have nothing to do in a little country town, your mind starts to collapse a bit. A slow day, today was.
I would also like to see the Razr brand across all major carriers, and probably a few smaller ones. Especially T-Mobile, they haven't gotten any Motorola love in a while.
I hope this X phone will be as spread out as the Galaxy S series like the rumors say along with good marketing, then Samsung will finally have a true competitor. Because lately, all the other major OEMs are missing is availability. That's the only thing missing from their success. How much more do you think the One X would've sold if it were on 4 more carriers? Probably a lot.
24. andregabeh87 (Posts: 13; Member since: 16 Jan 2013)
Would be awesome if motorola brings a smartphone with similar specs of the HTC Droid DNA or of the Sony Xperia Z and comes with stock Android.
28. andregabeh87 (Posts: 13; Member since: 16 Jan 2013)
If the Motorola X seemed like an updated version of the Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx with a quad core processor, 2GB RAM, 5" 1920x1080 screen and a slightly better camera wouldn't be so bad...
34. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
This is what I'm looking for;
Snapdragon 600 or Tegra 4 @1.8 GHz (maybe Snapdragon 800 depending on release date), but I could very much deal with an S4 Pro with no complaints
2 GB RAM
5" 1080p S-AMOLED or S-LCD3
3,500 mAh battery
And just order the camera from Sony. That makes it much easier.
That's what I'm expecting from this Motorola X
66. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, i'm hoping the Camera will be their main point of concern.
70. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
As long as it gets one of the new top of line processors (S600, S800, Tegra 4), and a 1080p S-LCD3 or S-AMOLED display with that MAXX battery (or an even higher capacity) I'll be set. That'll be a day one choice for me. I'm actually fine with the camera on the Razr HD, I just want them to order a great camera from Sony to shut up the haters who will try to pick at this device and knock it down lol.
And if they follow Google's pricing, that'll just be icing on the cake. If they sell this for anything under $500 off contract, it'll be a steal. But $700-800 would be fair.
76. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Im really not that worried about the chip as much as I used to be. We've come to the point where they are years ahead of where they "need" to be and way more powerful than any app coming out needs them to be. 2013 will be a cooling off point in the chip race... as far as consumers go (it will never end for manufacturers). When consumers can no longer see a perceivable difference between chip A and chip B in real life, no matter what is thrown at it, it no longer matters.
That's a lot of sad truth coming from a chip geek.
So now that we have massive chips and 1080p "better than human vision" screens, we need to worry about other things. My big 3 is drop survivability, camera quality, and battery life.
These phones truly are wondrous devices. This should be the year that they really go to the next level as inescapable pieces of our lives. Once they fix those last 3 big issues, they will really be a "1 device for everything".
85. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I'm well aware that mobile chips have advanced much further than what the software that they're equipped with can take advantage of. I just know that chip manufacturers aren't going to stop with these advancements and are just going to keep on making better and better chips, so I'm just gonna accept it and go along for the ride. If the Note II can be used as a desktop (if you saw that), imagine what these new chips can do. Nice to know I could have a temporary desktop replacement, maybe even a full one in a couple more years (aside from gaming).
Same thing for such small 1080p displays. It might be unnecessary, but the only main concern of them was battery life and that graphics weren't good enough to handle them; but the Adreno 3xx, PowerVR 5XT, and Mali-600 series are all very much capable of running 1080p displays. As for battery life, PA reported that the DNA can go well over 10 hours on a single charge, which is more than enough for any average user. I expect more from the next line of 1080p phones which will probably have bigger batteries (especially Moto).
If drop survival is one of your main concerns, I'm sure you were happy with Corning's Gorilla Glass 3 at CES, and the fact that it's gonna be on all major smartphones this year. And doesn't the Xperia Z use DragonTrail glass that claims to be much stronger than GG? Or am I mistaken?
As for cameras, I'm sure Sony's Exmor RS sensor on the Xperia Z will impress you.
Lastly, for battery life, I'm sure all flagship devices of 2013 will launch with no less than 2,100 mAh batteries; which, paired with these new processors with power efficient architectures, should hold better battery life for all. And if that still doesn't impress you, I'm sure Motorola will up their game with the MAXX line this year, I'd say to 3,500 mAh at the very least, more than likely it will be higher.
Based on your big 3, I'd say the Xperia Z would be for you, if my DragonTrail statement is correct. A nice big battery, great hardware, very strong glass, and a pretty impressive camera. Though, I'm sure you're more than happy with your Nexus 4. I'm personally gonna hold off on the Nexus 4 until this Motorola X phone releases (not like I have a choice really, Nexus 4 is still out of stock). I don't mind if it's not a true Nexus, I won't care about an extra month or two of waiting as long as the OS remains visually similar and the extra features are something that I'd actually use.
32. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
I hope Motorola and Google can nail this one. Motorola must need to improve the camera quality other than that, i think they have excellent hardware
33. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1345; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
Another phone to beat up on the iPhone 5s.
37. gmracer1 (Posts: 646; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
Any phone can beat up an iPhone. Hell, I'd rather have a flip phone than that piece of Apple sh*t.
38. dorianb (Posts: 569; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
My thoughts on it, excuse me as I jump around a bit:
A. Google will obviously KEEP the Nexus line going. It's their developer, now price buster, guide post brand.
B. Whatever Moto ends up calling it they probably want it on all carriers like the iPhone/Galaxy S line to increase market share/profits. *It's a business.* They realize having a Razr on VZW & the Atrix on AT&T isn't working. One model to rule them all!!! -Steve Jobs
C. I'm think in some part this may be a lesser/greater Nexus branch child.
1. It will have LTE. Nexus doesn't.
2. You can put it on all carriers. Maybe make profit off phone itself.
3. Pushing out updates faster while dealing with carriers. They realize they have to play ball with em still.
D. Isn't Sammy sooner or later really going to try to push Badu/Tizen to the world. This shores up their brand when their #1 pushes their own stuff. Looking into the future for Google.
E. Phone-gasm if it really is 5' *NEAR* edge-to-edge. I want my phone to look like a PokeCom off Robotic;Notes. Kill the bezel!!!
F. Hopefully Moto will get traction again like the Fruit to tell VZW, "Flip off. That giant logo can go on the back of the phone in the lower bottom half.... If at all."
41. HTCOE (Posts: 631; Member since: 20 Nov 2011)
i just hope it eventually will come out as a Nexus device made by Moto
43. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
May 15th can't come fast enough. Give it a Maxx battery, Kevlar, and next gen processing power, and you'll see me jumping into line faster than you can say X. :)
The "available on any carrier" bit is what's most exciting for me. Just please let it be true, and please, Motorola, don't f**k this one up.
52. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
don't worry SNIGGLY GOOGLE is working hard along side MOTOROLA I mean look at the MAXX it have great battery life but u can't do much with with their 4.1 jelly bean update
55. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
With a 3,500 mAh battery and Snapdragon 600 or Tegra 4, this will probably be one of the most desirable devices of the year (or at least the first half). It might even have the S800, since it's supposed to be available in Q2 which should be when this X phone is released.
If it is released on every major carrier, then they would be doing a really good job of competing with Samsung.
51. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
damn not sure if i now want my XPERIA Z or the GOOGLE X MOTOROLA. Cause we all don't know if its only going to be availble only for VERIZON.
72. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Kinda hope it comes out later because i don't get my upgrade until November 5th
90. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
But on spec wise its still behind the S3 or even the S4!
I prefer power than updates! If this has a 2.0Ghz S4 PRIME not the Pro this will be a killer, with Adreno 320 Quad core GPU clocked at 600Ghz,
93. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I'm hoping this will have a Snapdragon 600, maybe a Tegra 4. It could even have a Snapdragon 800 if the release date lines up with it. The S800 is going to be clocked at 2.3 GHz and is supposed to increase CPU performance by 75% using the new Krait 400 architecture, and double GPU performance from the S4 Pro with the Adreno 330.
S4 Prime is out of date, TROLL, where have you been? I thought you of all people would've been the most anticipated for the new army of mobile processors announced at CES 2013.
96. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
About time, moto!! I may upgrade to this in June or so, if it is out and looks as good as a SGS4, or other worthy phone of any ANDROID OEM.
Problem is that Moto sucks with updates, at times, and locks their bootloader.
I can live with poor updates as I can get one from XDA - but, I need an unlocked BL.
97. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
This is their first official device that is being made with Google over them. Updates definitely won't be like they were before, they won't be instant like a Nexus, just a couple months behind; still months ahead of the rest.
Aren't locked bootloaders usually a carrier order? Motorola has been giving out keys for unlocking their latest devices and made special developer editions that have unlocked bootloaders out of the box. One or the other will happen with this X phone I'm sure.
98. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I got the word from my Motorola rep today: the phone is definitely real. He had very little info about it, only about as much as we've heard already. He's usually awesome at getting me info as soon as possible. In fact, he let me handle the Photon Q before it was announced.
He said he and the other reps haven't gotten any teasers or any other materials on the phone yet, although he did say something about Sony and Apple's exclusivity deal regarding camera tech being over, and that Sony's camera tech may possibly make it onto the X. I'm not sure about the validity of that info yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
It's still really f**king exciting, and I cannot wait for the announcement. If Google and Motorola disappoint me with this phone, I'll cut them. Like, literally. :P
102. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Well that's rather assuring then. Glad to know this is the real deal then. Did he say anything about a tablet as well? The original rumor said that Motorola was working on a phone (this X phone) and a tablet.
I'm really not too worried about Motorola's cameras, I personally think they're fine for the occasional picture. Nothing you want to do dedicated photography with, but good enough. I just hope Motorola gets better cameras so nobody will talk trash about it, it gets annoying after a while.
I'm pretty excited for this too, and I hope all the speculation is right;
At least an S600 (I might settle for an S4 Pro, but using S4 Pro's in May seems like a bad decision in terms of competition)
2 GB RAM
5" 1080p S-AMOLED or S-LCD3 display
3,500 mAh battery; improving on the MAXX standard of 3,300 is a must after a year, 3,500 mAh being the very least.
Will you print out a picture of Motorola and Google's logos and take a knife to them? Or just go straight to the CEO's and commit murder? One of those decisions I would try to avoid... Ya know, I hear jail isn't good for your health. Your lower body health...
104. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I don't know about a tablet; frankly I forgot about that one. I'll ask him next time I talk to him. He tries to stop by weekly.
The cameras are okay for general snapshots, but the focus is too soft and the pictures come out kinda muddy. The cameras on Samsung phones from the S2 and up, as well as HTC's newest, take photos you can be proud of though.
For instance, I took this photo:
using the camera on the original Note.
If they throw a good quad core processor in there and stay the f**k away from Nvidia, I'll be happy.
2 gigs of RAM would rock, but honestly, no phones outside of Samsung's really seem to need them.
I agree that the battery should be extraordinarily kickass.
And I was thinking of running at their building with a pocket knife yammering like an idiot and slashing the facade or something. And really, it'll be awesome if I end up like, dead in jail. It'll fulfill my dad's prophecy about me when he found out I was moving four states away.
Sadly, I'm not kidding when I said that last part.
107. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I would just like a sort of confirmation, I was intending on buying the Nexus 10, but on reading that rumor article I hesitated. And now that all these new processors are coming out, I'm trying to stay clear of the Nexus 10 until the next wave of tablets come out. Would be much appreciated by me.
Anyways, I never was much of a photographer with my phone. I always have a separate camera with me whenever I go anywhere that might be photo-worthy, but for everyday stuff I find Moto's cameras to fit nicely. Though, if that Sony camera tech is true, I'm sure all the phone photographers out there will be happy.
I've never gotten why hardly anyone seems to like Tegra. I mean, I know they're relatively underpowered when compared to the other processors that are released later, but they aren't that bad. Almost every Android tablet had a Tegra 3 last year, so Tegra 4 shouldn't be bad at all.
I know 2 GB RAM is a bit unnecessary, but I've just accepted this wave of improved specs instead of trying to argue with it. Before I would argue about 1080p displays and how they kill graphics and battery life, how processors are so advanced at this point that benchmarks mean nothing, and how an extra gig of RAM doesn't matter, but now I'm just going along for the ride. I just want to see everything how far everything goes.
Might as well go to the Googleplex in Cali and take a stab at that Key Lime Pie statue they'll be putting up.
Every bit of humor needs a dark side, it balances out the world.
111. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Yeah, a confirmation would be nice. I'll get one to you as soon as I can.
I'm more of a spontaneous sort, and I'm too cheap to buy a separate camera. Hell, I just bought my first gaming console ever, the first new one anyone in my family has bought since our Super Nintendo. (my older brother bought a PS2 about a year ago, but it doesn't count since it's so goddamn outdated).
And yeah, better specs will actually help because i'll free up app developers to make bigger, better, and flashier apps. Frankly, if it's not going to have a memory card slot (with Google at the helm that's a possibility) then it needs 32 gigs of memory, minimum.
As for the Tegra, Motorola got stuck holding the bag with the Tegra 2. I don't think it's a coincidence that none of Motorola's Tegra 2 phones ever got updated beyond Gingerbread. That pisses me off.
I don't want to mark up the Android statues. They're cute. :P
And I know, right? My dad gets harsh sometimes. Seems like he's afraid that without his influence, every one of his kids will fall completely to pieces. Considering that's what happened to my parents' first two kids, I'm not surprised he thinks that way. Frankly, though, his penchant for control is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Therefore, it's become my own little running joke that I need to end up dead and/or in jail so that my dad is "satisfied."
124. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5704; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, that's my position too buddy. now if someone gave me a Nexus 10 that would sure make me happy. x)
Motorola's cameras can definitely get the job done and you can definitely coax some good shots out of them but as i've gone from Motorola to Motorola i'll expect more and more from them as they make improvements in areas that could've used fixing. with the Razr HD it was the size and the display so now my attention is turned to the camera being that i've become such a shutterbug in my time with the Razr MAXX HD from using things like Snapchat and Instagram.
i think now i'd prefer a phone with a Tegra 4. now that mobile SoC's have just abundances of power that i will probably not know what to do with i want the amazing support that Nvidia puts behind their Tegra platform with Tegra optimized games and maybe even support for Steam's Big Picture down the line. that support is definitely something Nvidia sticks out with and may be their ultimate advantage among this new crop of SoC's.
125. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yes, if the Nexus 10 was a gift to me, I wouldn't complain. I just wouldn't put my own money into it right now lol.
I've never actually noticed anything wrong with the pictures I've seen and taken with Motorola devices. Maybe because they were just the spontaneous little novelty pictures that don't mean much, but still, everyday shots don't look bad. But, I would always keep a separate camera from my phone if I were on vacation or something and wanted to take pictures. Though, not everybody does that, and I guess in that sense Motorola does need to step up their game.
I've heard something along the lines of Nvidia not giving out Tegra drivers without a fee, and that's why hardly any Tegra 2 devices were updated to ICS, because Nvidia makes OEMs pay for it. I could be mistaken though, I very vaguely remember reading something like that. Maybe that's why people dislike Tegra?
However, I've always been interested in those Tegra exclusive games in the Tegra Zone. That's why their Project Shield was really interesting to me, though I think they need to work on the form factor a bit. Also the fact that it can stream games from Steam really gets me excited. But because of the form factor, I think I would rather get a Razer Edge than Project Shield; also the Edge just seems a lot more practical.