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Galaxy Nexus made lawsuit-proof, judge narrows Apple's claims against Samsung

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Galaxy Nexus made lawsuit-proof, judge narrows Apple's claims against Samsung
Samsung Electronics' CEO JK Shin gave an interview in which he mentioned that the new Galaxy Nexus was created from the ground up to avoid any chance of being caught up in patent infringement claims by Apple: "Now we will avoid everything we can and take patents very seriously. We will see if (the Galaxy Nexus) will be 100 percent free."

Samsung is countersuing Apple in Californian court about patents related with the 3G standard it holds, and is asking for banning phones that use them, like the iPhone 4S, for example. Apple cried foul that Samsung filed for those patents after the 3G consortium came up with a standard, and used some excessive claims about its opponent, which Judge Lucy Koh just shot down, narrowing Apple's defensive claims against Samsung, and sending Cupertino's lawyers back to the drawing board. Samsung has filed similar counter-lawsuits in almost every country Apple has taken it to the court as well.

Samsung's CEO JK Shin is obviously not very enthusiastic about the legal war waging between his company and Apple: "I think it is just a start and (the lawsuits) will last for a considerable time. I don't think there is much gain (from lawsuits against Apple). What we are losing is the pride in our brand... (I realized that) having technological power and being business savvy aren't enough," he notes rightfully.

Word has it that Steve Jobs learned that same thing the hard way during the legal battles its own Apple went in with Microsoft back in the days, and then he vouched to never be caught unprepared in terms of intellectual property to defend the company again. That vow is now coming to haunt Android, and especially Samsung's devices boasting Andy, the green robot. 

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posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:05 11

1. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


Apple should stop the bullsh*t.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:47 3

6. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


not all apple's fault. stop being delusional.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 09:24 8

12. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


course it's all their fault, no action no re-action. Apple is over reacting about the copying thing they accuse Samsung. Samsung is their biggest threat.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 09:34 4

14. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


apple did not start corporate patent law suits. this is not new.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 11:21 5

27. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


they made it mainstream.. and even things like the phone's and tab's form factor they sue.. non sensical..

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 12:15

35. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


they didnt make it main stream. the media did.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:17

50. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Not mainstream. Apple took on Samsung because very few companies can afford these expensive legal ventures.

Samsung has been adjudicated in several courts around the world that Samsung infringed on Apple's IP.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 18:28 2

66. cheetah2k (Posts: 1597; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Agreed.

Why is it that when I do a search in Google for "Patent Troll", Apple always comes up???

BWAHAHAAHHA!

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 09:44 6

16. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


apple cannot do anything else. They have no new products to offer, just a single one old model. The only chance of apple is to block the others

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 09:53 3

18. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


this tired old argument might have some truth to it if apple were having any trouble selling iphones.

so, please, give up on this single one old comment.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 10:47 3

24. Doakie (Posts: 2107; Member since: 06 May 2009)


this tired old denial might have some truth to it if apple had not taken 16 months to release their REFRESH to the dated iphone 4.

so, please, give up on this single one old denial.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 11:15

25. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


scoreboard

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 11:23 2

28. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


we're talking about innovation, not sales.. no one argues apple's sales.. iphone is always on top of the sales chart.. but not the innovation..

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 11:38

30. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


"The only chance of apple is to block the others"

point was not about innovation, it was about apple's "chance". since it is a business, its "chances" are based on profit, which apple has more of than the competition.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 12:10 2

33. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


thats because iOS users are willing to pay super premiums for low to midline equipment. go apple for milking suckers dry.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 13:53 4

42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


is that your generic answer for whenever im right and you have no idiotic point to counter it?

no wonder I hear you repeat ardent's FAILED attempt at discrediting me over n over again.. lol. you guys are so sad, jaded, and pathetic. :)

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 18:22

64. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


remixfa wants the world to believe only he know RD expenses truly belongs in gross margins and damn what US GAAP states.

remixfa like to believe courts in Europe like in Germany and the Netherlands are "kangeroo courts"

remixfa is just so sad and pathetic on so many levels.

remixfa is such an EPIC FAILURE since he is babbling village idiot.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 12:47

38. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


this is the mindset that kills me.

just because hardware specs are less does not make the entire system inferior. the OS is designed to run efficiently on the hardware they use. you pay for the entire package, hardware AND software and the experience that they provide. you might discount that experience, but there are plenty of very smart people that make an informed decision on the iphone.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 13:58 2

44. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i didnt say anything about superiority or inferiority of the entire system. The equipment itself is sub par. it doesnt need to be top notch as iOS isnt as feature filled as android and doesnt need the horsepower.
You are paying for the " apple experience".. which is a nice way of saying you are being charged a premium for the brand name.. and a crazy high premium at that.

I am 100% for capitalism, so if the market (aka you guys) is willing to give apple a 70% profit margin, then go apple for making people care more about brand than value/feature ratios for their dollar. Apple's strength has always been its simple OS, stability, and marketing.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 14:30

45. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


see, you say your point is on "equipment" (or hardware), but then you bash apple and their customers.

and you say the cost is only for the brand name.

what about battery life? stability? a lag free OS? SPEED????

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 14:31

46. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


........dev support? app optimization?


it really, truly is all the little things.

sorry you're not bright enough to get it.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:20 1

52. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


He's caught you in your own paradox, remix. On one hand you say the iPhone doesn't need the fastest processor or maximum memory to run smoothly because it's not a true multitasking OS. On the other, you say that the iPhone isn't worth the money because it doesn't have the fastest processor or the most memory. You want to bash both the hardware and software, but you're inadvertantly acknowledging that the hardware and software are well mated.

If you want to talk about the iPhone being overpriced, hit them where it hurts - storage. A $100-200 premium for the 32 or 64 GB model is absurd when you can pick up a 32 GB SD card for $40.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:57

55. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


youre right rol, theyre price for storage is more than it needs to be. but, that has always been true of apple products.

im not really sure why anyone would buy the 32 or 64 (or a card that big for android). i've never had much need for storage and with streaming and cloud growing like crazy it just seems even less needed.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 21:19 1

68. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its not a paradox in the slightest.

iOS does not need the hardware android needs to run smoothly. fact of life. android requires high end hardware to run as smooth as iOS on lower end hardware. thats a bullet point that taco likes to bring up regularly.. how "smooth" iOS is compared to android. Its true. iOS is more "smooth", and andoid is only coming into its "smooth" legs with the new high tech thats out.

from a purely tech perspective.. regardless of OS, the tech that is in the i4s, with exception to its GPU is extraordinarily over priced. Only in Apple's curated ecosystem filled with die hard apple fanatics that are not tech savy, could such a piece of equipment exist at so high a price.
That is also a testament to apple's advertising.. a HUGE testament.
Like I said, im 100% capitalist. If Apple's market can support that pricing, then gooo apple.. all the way to the bank.

If apple catered to the tech crazy bunch that google caters to, that phone would never make it out of the "mid tier" price range, and would be bargain bin in 3 months.



That is also one of the reasons i shoot down people when they say apple should outsource iOS so there are more iOS phones. If competition was introduced into the iOS space, apple's crazy profit margin on the i4s would not exist. It can only be so high because it has zero competition. You want the best apple, your buying this phone... and you are going to pay a huge premium for that.

And yes, the memory premium on top of the iOS premium is just so insane i cant fathom it. Its absolutely idiotic to me. But hey, again, if apple's market can handle it, then go apple for convincing people its a good deal.


All of this is another huuuge reason I could never submit to apple. Regardless of the OS, i can get so much more for my money elsewhere its not funny. Add in the fact that ICS/Gingerbread is sooo far ahead of iOS5, it just seals the deal.


And no, taco, i havent seen a FC in months.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:19

51. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


All it takes is a single model. Millions of customers around the world want that single model. Why can't android OEMs do the same.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:56 3

54. Dumaru (Posts: 4; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Because with great customization, comes great selections.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 21:22 1

69. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


because with competition, comes better value for your money as companies compete for your dollar.

the reason apple makes 70% per phone? Because it makes sure it has zero competition in the iOS space. The i4s would be priced new at $99 if it had competition like androids do.. it would be Bogo in a month, and free in 3 months since its so low on the tech/features/SCREEN ladder.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:09 5

2. joseg81 (Posts: 194; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


they should just settle out of court and be done with it...in my opinion. just have them pay royalties and don't ban anybody's phone from being sold. atleast that way whoever's copyright is being infringed can just collect some extra cash n make a profit. just stop all the schoolyard back n forth bs. cuz the only ppl that lose here are the ppl that were looking forward to a phone that got banned cuz someone got their panties in a wad.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:27 6

5. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Agreed. Aren't out of court settlements and profit-sharing the way of "mature" businesses? Thinking of things like Ford licensing Toyota's hybrid tech rather than fighting a patent war, that sort of thing.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 08:48

7. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


this isnt about short term profit sharing.

it is about long term use of patented ideas. they are going to fight this stuff out (and the consumer gets to suffer)

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