GDR 2 update for Windows Phone 8 to bundle OEM and OS updates
1. boosook (Posts: 1429; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
So Android was accused of being: heavy, fragmented and depending on the OEM for updates.
Then, when entry-level WP phones came out, we suddendly discovered that the hardware requirements for apps like skype or temple run were higher than on Android.
Next, when WP8 came out, we discovered that every OS, as time passes and the OS evolves, has a certain degree of fragmentation.
And now we are discovering that even WP will have to be controlled by OEMs because it's difficult to merge Microsoft and OEM updates.
So, after iOS7, it's funny to see that even WP is becoming more like Android...
3. grapeseed87 (Posts: 123; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)
Wow the self righteous tone here is overflowing from the brim of your intellect like a donut dunked in coffee!
Firstly WP8/7.8 is NOT fragmented. No matter which OEM you purchase from the hardware specs remain the same and thus provide uniform interface experience across any choice device. Which is where Android sucks! Every OEM loads bloatware & skin onto the original system thus creating Fragmentation and a non uniform interface experience. OEM Bundled updates just make practical sense as OEM fixes can come along them. Infact in an effort to clamp down on the fragmentation Google has started to offer stock Android on OEM devices.
Secondly - iOS7 has clearly been influenced in design and functionality by WinPho hence even their search choice is now Bing! If Android had design superiority iOS5/6 would already have adapted that.
Thirdly - Many features and designs like app layout etc in Android, iOS that you see now were originally inspired by Windows Mobile 6.5.
7. boosook (Posts: 1429; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
grapeseed87, an OS that exists in two version so different that you can't upgrade a whole generation of phones to the newer version and apps written for the old version don't run on the newer and vice-versa IS fragmented. Android never reached such a level of fragmentation.
And please note that iOS is fragmented as well... from iOS5 on, some features (like Siri) are disabled on older phones (sometimes because they need the newest hardware, sometimes because Apple wants to sell new phones), and the same will happen with the new features in iOS7.
Because the truth is that if you want to add features to your OS you HAVE to introduce some level of fragmentation. The only alternative is to leave the system unchanged or change it only marginally. And as long as iOS and WP made only small changes, they didn't have any problems with fragmentation, but both Microsoft and Apple couldn't get away forever with only minor changes in the OS.
And please note that one year ago every forum on the internet was infested with iphone/WP users bashing android for fragmentation... now suddendly this does not seem a problem anymore... the truth is that both iOS and WP had to implement major changes that made them fragmented as well.
As to iOS7, well... every new feature has been taken from Android, and not from windows phone. The only thing that we could say it's taken from WP is the flat design.
9. grapeseed87 (Posts: 123; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)
Sorry but I have to disagree to that.
Version changes are NOT fragmentation. When Android jumped ship from 1.6.x to 2.0+ that was a version change which you call fragmentation and then Devices and apps of 1.6 will not work on later devices and devices and apps now of 2.0+ will cease to fully function on 4.0+ onwards which is VERSION change of OS and thats compatibility issue.
Surprisingly A LOT of apps of the 7.5 base have migrated to 8 and 7.5 work on 7.8 so a lot of the apps do work on BOTH OS versions still in WinPho. First hand user, first hand knowledge of that. (And yes I have used Android as well, I had an HD2 which I unlocked and dual bootloaded to run ICS and WinPho which I have no given to my brother. My Netbook has been installed with ICS 4.0 and Ubuntu and I would still rather have WinPho 8 running on all my devices.
Fragmentation is when the different variations of the same OS version exist on different devices via OEMs, 3 party developers, etc. Cyanogen mode is a fragmentation of the stock rom. Where as ICS is a different version than Froyo, etc.
And hey people are starting to call the iphones as iLumias :D
8. akki20892 (Posts: 3900; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
can't read you comments guys it's too long, please short your comments oh god.
14. akki20892 (Posts: 3900; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
yeah like that guys, you got it icyrock1
2. Penny (Posts: 1647; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I don't like the idea of handing the OS over to the OEMs to distribute. Who knows what useful features they might disable, and what useless features they might insert. Not to mention the sweet time they'll take getting these updates out, especially here on Verizon...
10. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
oh did u mixed OEMs and operators O_o
OEMs = moblie makers
Operators = GSM/3G/4G service providers
this doesnt say operators getting the updates first
11. Penny (Posts: 1647; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Yeah you're totally right. Can't edit my original comment, so I'll just declare it null & void. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
As they say, "Crack is a hell of a drug..."
4. grapeseed87 (Posts: 123; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)
I just wish that HTC and WinPho allow all OEMs to have the Hub Clock tile. I would love it on a Lumia.
5. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
When are they going to release it? 2015?
6. kdealltheway (Posts: 94; Member since: 21 Oct 2012)
"It may cause a bit of a delay in updates, but since the amount of OEM customization allowed is limited, the delays shouldn't be that noticeable."
Wanna bet? :-)
13. icyrock1 (Posts: 307; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
"Previously on Windows Phone, OS updates would roll out to devices separately from OEM fixes, which tended to cause problems because the timing wasn't always organized properly, which would mean that the OEM fixes would come first, but users wouldn't be able to install them, because they required the OS updates. Now, Microsoft is going to send the OS updates to the OEMs, who will customize and add device specific fixes to the bundle before pushing the update to users. "
Why do I have the feeling no one but Nokia will be pushing out updates now so they can sell more devices?