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Four years of disruption: cell phone industry financials 2007-2011

0. phoneArena 14 Jul 2011, 09:01 posted on

We combed through 4 years of financial statements for the 8 most visible handset makers to visualize the utter disruption that was introduced to the mobile industry in 2007, and the charts are breathtaking...

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posted on 14 Jul 2011, 09:36 3

1. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

good data, unfortunately you spent so much time talking about apple apple apple that the fact that there is good data got lost in the ifanaticism. Yea, apple really shook things up a few years ago but it was while holding hands with other companies like Samsung and LG who actually make their products. Also, its disingenuous to show apple but not show MS's mobile division. The reason why is apple doesn't actually make the phone. They make the OS and design the phone but they don't make anything. That's no different than what MS does with WP7 except they have design standards (3 buttons, min system requirements) while leaving the final implementation up to the manufacturer. Also, where was Palm?

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 16:15

12. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Actually the difference is Microsoft licenses it's software out to companies like Samsung, HTC and now Nokia while Apple sells it's own products so it's not disingenious. You're just blinded by your fanboyism and hatred for Apple. Where's Palm? There is no Palm it's owned by HP now.

The reason it talks about Apple Apple Apple is apparent when you look at the charts. Apple is dominating the market.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 18:00 2

14. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

your still an idiot.

palm OS is still around. And it was sure around 4 years ago and not owned by HP.

Apple is dominating the profits chart, but it is not dominating the sales market. those are 2 different things and if u finished 5 grade you would know that.

apple dominates the profits chart because it doesnt care how little foxconn pays its employees or how shabby their production factories. its no coincidence that all the major foxconn accidents and suicide rates are at the apple factories and virtually nowhere else. Oh that, and it price gouges the crap out of its idiot and blindly devoted customer base.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 18:02

15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

and how does my "blind hatred" of apple have anything to do with them not putting microsoft mobile division in the charts? Concidering MS makes money off every Windows, iOS, and Android phone sold, they are a major player in the "cell phone" profit chart.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 19:17

17. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

So Apple is the only company that outsources it's factories? Obviously not. Like I said fanboyism is getting in the way of you being able to think like a logical adult.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 09:21

20. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

did i ever say it was only apple? no, but its virtually only apple that has constant SUICIDES and PLANT ACCIDENTS. Do you realize that foxconn had to install suicide nets around all its apple plants because of the high suicide by jumping rate at their factories? No other plants.. just the apple ones.

thinking like a logical adult. when are you gonna start?

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 09:37 3

2. snowgator (Posts: 3515; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Wow. Very good article. While most of this info is out there, seeing it amassed like this is an eye opener. Some thoughts:

1) Did know Motorola was in trouble, never realized how much trouble. They need a good couple sales quarters to truly be on solid ground.

2) RIM is holding up much better in profits than the headlines make us believe. If their QNX devices come out strong in 2012, they may have a stable future yet. (Also, the profits were never as great as I believed either.)

3) HTC is a near picture of stable profits.

4) Apple is freaking rich. Filthy, stinking, freaking rich. (Why is the iPad in this? No other tablets of mention were out, shouldn't this just have been an iPhone comparison?)

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 10:14 4

5. Daniel.P (Posts: 103; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)

Hi, snowgator, thx, it was a lot of work indeed ;-)

We included the iPad data since we had extracted the info from Apple's financials while we were at it anyway, because we are thinking of doing a similar comparison for tablets.

Provided that the manufacturers have credibly reflected their tablet numbers in the quarterly results, we may do one as soon as all the Q2 reports are in - not many tablets present on the market in Q1 but the iPad...

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 11:18

8. protozeloz (Posts: 5394; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Hello There and thanks for this article, Ive being wanting to see all this info gathered together, I've also searched the tendacy on 2007-2009 if you have any info regarding this I would really appreciate it

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 14:37

10. snowgator (Posts: 3515; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

That would be an interesting follow up, only due to hearing how every Tablet has not sold up to expectations except the iPad and maybe the Playbook. Hope you can get that info.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 09:47 1

3. christianqwerty (Posts: 467; Member since: 05 May 2011)

Good job phone arena , I can tell you guys put alot of work and effort onto this. It is amazing what apple did with just 1 iPhone, but they better watch out for HTC! Samsung isn't as reliable as Nokia, and I think wp7 will really help Nokia out. Zte and hawuie are crap companies, would never buy a phone from them. Its interesting how BlackBerry started to fall, I want them to succeed. BlackBerry and palm were always my favorite, my Centro and Curve are the 2 more reliable phones I have compared to my moms iPhone and my Samsung focus. This however is just my opinion

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 09:52 5

4. christianqwerty (Posts: 467; Member since: 05 May 2011)

And also phonearena, don't listen to people say your isheep. The iPhone was a game change and a revolutionary phone. I don't know any other phone that is so well known, but where's palm?!:( I wouldn't mind using a palm Centro in a sea of people with dual cores and 16gb memory 4.5in screens, ect

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 15:29 1

11. rican (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Jul 2011)

I wouldn't mind using a palm Centro in a sea of people with dual cores and 16gb memory 4.5in screens, ect

u had solid points until you said this. then your credibility went down the drain.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 16:16

13. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Rican I agree with you he lost all credibility saying he wanted to use a Palm Centro lol.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 10:19 1

6. AhmadAlsayegh (unregistered)

amazing article, well done and presented..
what I think is going to happen next year?
* Sammy will score crazy sales in US market, I have used the SGS2, even though I hate Android, but I have to admit that this device is a well crafted piece of art! And honestly i now know why Apple keeps suing samsung; they want to stay at the top!

*HTC have came along way, especially with the variety of operating systems they are offering, and now that they have unlocked boot loaders, I expect a dramatic sales increment, as last act taken by HTC will for sure attract more people for such openness

*As for the Steve Jobs part, i admit that the guy is a genius entrepreneur... he for sure rescued apple many times and with him out of the picture, apple wont be the same.

Good job PA!

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 10:47 1

7. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Fairly comprehensive financial review, although it wasn't really anything that I didn't already know.

It will be interesting to see what Apple does with all of its capital. I also want to see Motorola continue its recovery and pull completely out of the red. Products like the Bionic and Photon will help with that.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 14:33

9. snowgator (Posts: 3515; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

They both look great, and I am excited to see their performence. Just wonder why the Atrix didn't perform as well as it should have.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 18:32

16. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Because the ATRIX was pushed with the too expensive and not functional enough laptop dock, it was twice as expensive as the Inspire, and it was bogged down by the s**tty version if Blur and Froyo.

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 19:18

18. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Is there a version of Blur that's not sh*tty?

posted on 14 Jul 2011, 20:27

19. Sniggly (Posts: 7301; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Yep. Blur on last year's crop of DROID phones was decent, and this year's Blur, often referred to as Gingerblur, is friggin awesome. That's the scientific term for it.

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