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Former manager at Microsoft reviews Android and the Samsung Galaxy S II, gives two thumbs down

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Former manager at Microsoft reviews Android and the Samsung Galaxy S II, gives two thumbs down
Charlie Kindel is a former General Manager of the Windows Phone Developer Ecosystem. After being with Microsoft for 21 years and dedicating tons of his time and effort to bringing Windows Phone to the world, he left the company back in August in order to start a business of his own. Ironically, he just recently won an Android smartphone – an AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II, to be precise, and decided to share his thoughts in his blog after using the device for a while.

In a nutshell, his experience with the Android platform and the Galaxy S II is pretty underwhelming, even though the device is regarded as one of the year's best smartphones. Sure, there are things he likes, such as the drop-down notification bar and the broad software selection, yet his final judgement is definitely on the negative side. Here is how Kindel summarizes his impressions:

A typical non-geek consumer would be absolutely-fraking-crazy to pick an Android phone over a Windows Phone. Windows Phone is vastly more refined, cohesive, and easy to use. Period. People who enjoy “managing” their phone might enjoy “managing” their Android smartphone. Those folks will probably forget how much fun “managing” a smartphone was after they’ve used Windows Phone for a while. Instead they’ll see how much fun it is to “use” a smartphone.

Of course, Kindel admits that he loves Windows Phone, which is not surprising having his background in mind. However, he is not with Microsoft anymore, meaning that he has no benefit from supporting its mobile platform. At the same time, Kindel is well familiar with what makes a platform user-friendly, so if Android scores points in that category, one would expect him to point it out. If you are interested in checking out his full review, just follow the source link below.

source: cek.log via wpcentral

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posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:08 22

1. whatAdumbASK (Posts: 2; Member since: 12 Dec 2011)


WOW OK Mr. Charlie Kindel if you don't want your SGS2 you can send it to me I'll be happy to take it off your hands for free- heck I'll even pay for shipping. As to your opinion I would expect you to be bias but I can't say I share your enthusiasm for window phones. Android works for me and I guess your entitle to your opinion no matter how wrong but hey give it to me if you don't want it.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 07:28 9

25. abdane (Posts: 474; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


if android is " not that good " then why it is the number 1 operating system in the US ? oh... and where is windows OS ? WITH THE " OTHERS " ! LOL even the s**tty iOS is better :P

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 12:53 2

50. Leo_MC (Posts: 476; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


Maybe because not everybody can appreciate a taste of good wine but everybody likes a draught beer...
Just saying; no 1 sales does not make you a better platform (think about where Symbian is when taking in consideration the quality of OS).

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 18:21 3

60. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I agree. At the same time, ppl left the old Win Mo and jumped on Android for a reason. And ppl are still choosing Android for a reason. I wouldnt say its the best...no mobile phone or OS is the best......but if it sucked as bad or was as complicated as some ppl claim it is...it wouldnt continue to have the market share it does.

Also why do some ppl make Android out like its this difficult, complicated thing to use?

Example of how my ex GF used my Droid X1:

Texting
Web browsing
Calls
Games
GPS
Youtube
Music player

If thats what you call complicated....I should have a Ph.D with what I do with my Android phones.

Android can be a simple or complicated as you make it. The myth that Android is for geeks and complicated is about as bad as the myth that the iPhone "just works".

posted on 13 Dec 2011, 01:30 2

67. GeekMovement (Posts: 1499; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


@whatAdumbAsk Awesome comment, I loved reading it (-;

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:12 9

2. taz89 (Posts: 2009; Member since: 03 May 2011)


regardless if he is not microsoft employee anymore there will always be biased towards microsoft..the thousands of positive reviews,the fact that it has one phone of the year on various gadget sites proves how good this phone is unless they are all wrong.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:23 9

3. shy2papa (Posts: 199; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)


Well I am not surprised he is trying to sell a half baked OS to the public, Really Really

" A typical non-geek consumer would be absolutely-fraking-crazy to pick an Android phone over a Windows Phone" Is this man delusional or what.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:45 6

9. jubbing (Posts: 150; Member since: 20 Aug 2008)


Yea Android is pretty half baked isn't it.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 04:03 7

11. shy2papa (Posts: 199; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)


Microsoft makes more money form Android than its own Half bakes OS boy or are you from another world.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 05:52 4

19. tomakali (Posts: 13; Member since: 12 Dec 2011)


Correction:

1.WP7 is half-baked will comeout good as WP8. still WPx[10] would be the best to compete with other mobile OS.

2.Android is not half-baked, but "over-cooked". still it being cooked with more and more sugar coatings...

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 13:51

54. Penny (Posts: 1096; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


Care to tell us why WP7 is half-baked? With a comment like that, you must have some logical reasoning behind it, right?

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:26

4. phungn (Posts: 26; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)


I had an HD2 for a while with some custom roms. Maybe I just didn't spend enough time with it (a week) but I went back to my vibrant after that week. (got the HD2 free from a relative)

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:24

38. jeck77 (Posts: 25; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)


The HD2 ran Windows Mobile 6.5, not Windows Phone 7. Those two OS are completely different than each other. Unless of course you were running the HD2 with a custom Windows Phone 7 rom...

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:36 11

5. Sniggly (Posts: 6695; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Welp. Looks like Anti-Android Monday is in full swing.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 06:06 5

21. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


This is only one of few positive articles related to wp that's found in PA. I wouldn't steam up too much.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:37 6

6. maoten (Posts: 13; Member since: 09 Jun 2010)


common u and freaking metro ui,,,

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:40 3

7. messiah (Posts: 433; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)


I wonder what his new business venture is, and ate his suppliers Microsoft? Good reviews = better deals for him right?

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:41 5

8. Striker (Posts: 92; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)


This guy is sooo right! The scrappiest OS on the market right now is Android. Not only is it copied from the original iOS, but it also is the most geek-orientated. Even Symbian with its Belle version is now better than Android. If I have to make a top 5 chart I'd make it like this: 1. iOS, 2 (soon to become 1-st)WP, 3. Symbian (Belle and Carla), 4. Android, 5. Blackberry

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 03:54 14

10. shy2papa (Posts: 199; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)


Striker is so retarded.

Android is the fastest growing OS in the world and you run your mouth like you have no brain.

Maybe you don't.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 04:31 2

15. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 801; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Charlie Kindel's b!t** is that you?

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 04:37 3

16. ore123 (Posts: 10; Member since: 14 Nov 2011)


do you know what android is ... stock android is not the same as IOS .
its only touchwiz 3.0 which copied IOS
try searching stock android 1.6/2.1/2.2/2.3/3.0/3.24.0/

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 18:27

61. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Why must I have to remind ppl that the home screen and icon layout does not make up the entire OS?

Once you get past the home screen, icon layout they are 2 entirely different animals.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 04:06 9

12. bloodline (Posts: 691; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


3 letters - ICS.

Gingerbread is not perfect we all know this, ics is not perfect but to me its the best OS i have used.

I have played around with win 7.5 and I have a 4s - let me tell you windows is far behind android and IOS.

ICS is the best os out at the moment, its not without its bugs but its near enough a new os, so there are bound to be.

all these anti android articles are just a reflection of the fear at the ever growing os that is android, he may no longer work for microsoft but 21 years is enough to show you where is loyalty is.

Windows is even more restricted than ios - what can you actually do with windows that you cannot do with android or ios ?

Microsoft came to the game to late

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 04:07 5

13. wansuk (Posts: 2; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


android and symbian not in the same league... android is the best... ios just an app launcher... symbian is worth comparing with WP and RIM...

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 09:24

31. Nickmfnjackson (Posts: 101; Member since: 21 Jan 2010)


PREACH!!!

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 04:27 4

14. sadiqsam (Posts: 1; Member since: 12 Dec 2011)


i think this dude have failed 'on-his-own' and want his old job back.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 05:11 5

17. xray174 (Posts: 85; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


and so much ppl love wp7 where they at?

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 06:01 1

20. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


I'm right here. Just saw the post. Anyway, what you want me to say, ooh, ahh, ooh, ahhh, yeah? lolzz! I think most WP aren't as defensive as others. They maybe more offensive. Seeing something like this is a plus.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:26 1

39. jeck77 (Posts: 25; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)


Right here. I've owned many smartphones, everything from Palm OS, Windows 6.0,6.1,6.5, BB OS, WebOS, Android, iOS, Maemo 5, Symbian, and I love Win Phone 7. Not as powerful as Android, but man, is it so much nicer to use.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 05:14 2

18. xray174 (Posts: 85; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


this is funny how was windows mobile before windows 7 wanst easy to use at all a pain in the ass lol

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 12:05 1

48. dallas90733 (Posts: 35; Member since: 06 Mar 2011)


Omg..b4 Win7..the worst phones in the world..freeze-stuttering-battery pulling-block phones..Then Android came alone..a slice of both world IOS (price) and Window (customize rom)..life is good now...Sprint SGSII :)

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 06:12

22. kshell1 (Posts: 1143; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


hes being bias because of microsoft -_-

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 06:35 1

23. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


His comment is kinda nerdy and overreacting. Both WP and Android has good points and bad points. The way he comment it, is as if SG2 Android OS is utter crap and WP is super perfect.That's not right.

I agree that Metro UI is fluid and smooth. But that doesn't mean Android has no room for improvement. Infact, its been improving update by update same as Windows Phone. The only thing is that Android has more feature support like LTE, Dual Core, etc.. :)

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 07:23 5

24. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)


Let us be realistic, not even the best WP7 phone can compete against the SGS II

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:18

36. vslayer (Posts: 34; Member since: 12 Dec 2011)


im not against andoid b but i think windows 7 phones are great for me despite of the specs on board ,,,,, no lags whatsoever on n 1ghz processor ..... and in terms of web browsing i think s2 is a clear winner but that too much i think u compare windows phone 7(updated to mango) to all 1ghz single core processor out there (even i phone or blackberry) its a far behind ....whew!!!

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 07:59 1

26. droidwave (Posts: 2; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


and this is why wp7 is below android

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 08:09 4

27. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


just to make a point..

he left MS to go create is own company. That does not mean he doesnt still have ties to MS through friends, family, and possible future/current business deals. He would be about as objective as asking steve jobs or Balmer (must... punch... balmer) to give his opinion on the SGS2.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 09:11 3

28. T00muchF00D (Posts: 98; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)


I have a windows phone and I love it. Guys I got to tell ya its the best phone operating system out there I've had webOS, iPhone,blkberry, and Android. And the Android I used was a froyo 2.2 Os. Windows phone actually lets me use my time doing things on it that is important. With android I had to constantly drop down the notification bar to clear all that and go into android task killer all the damn time. With windows phone you have a buttery smooth UI that moves at 60 frames per second. You can control you Xbox with you windows phone. Now with the new update on your Xbox developers can make gets to do multiplayer between the phones and the Xbox. Everything (EVERYTHING) you need to do is one touch or two away.i buy something on my phone ONCE and im able to have it on my wp7, Xbox, and zuneHD. It has Zune built in. Bing is built in and it is baked in with features like local scout, visual search (searching with the camera) voice (duhh...or siri lol) and music (by sound). Google search finds your search, but Bing when you search for hmmm lets say.... Dominios pizza....Bing will search the web for it...find its web domain...find news on them...find the nearest one....phone number....customer rating...and pictures. All in one search....all you gotta do is swipe left or right since those searches are is there own section so that search's dont look sloppy. I switch phones alot but ever since I got a WP7 I never switch my phone. I got 4 ppl at work to leave their androids and they love it. In there own words they said...."I love how its not crashy and consuming like android". Seriously guys...give it a chance. There is too much to go over but go read reviews of windows phone 7 (ver. Mango)

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:00 1

33. bloodline (Posts: 691; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


lol you obviously havent used android properly, or the the in built places app.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 09:14 1

29. T00muchF00D (Posts: 98; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)


also they have true multitasking unlike Android and ios. Don't say "ohj android does" no they dont. They have backround running apps. WP7 you can look at them all at once like webOS did

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 09:23 6

30. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol. the ONLY system that has true multitasking right now IS android. that whole "background running apps" you mentioned.. we call that "multitasking". lol.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 09:29

32. davin8r (Posts: 45; Member since: 28 Apr 2011)


I'd get a Windows phone in a heart beat, *if* the hardware were anywhere near the Androids. Where are the dual-core processors and hi-def screens?????

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:03

34. T00muchF00D (Posts: 98; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)


So background running apps to you is multitasking? Lmao sucks for you. I have true multitasking. I can see all my apps up and running on my screen or have them in the background by choice. Don't just say you have true multitasking and think that makes you have it. You actually need to be able to

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:53 2

41. bloodline (Posts: 691; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


Second on the list of missing Windows Phone 7 features is true multitasking, something that Android also had from day one, and that was later introduced for the iPhone. To be more precise, Windows Phone 7 does not allow third-party apps to run in the background, but pauses them until you return to the app

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 11:04 3

42. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


iOS doesnt have true multitasking either. they use the pause/freeze method. thats where WP7 got that from :) iOS went from NO multitasking to the fake freeze that they use now. its an improvement, but true multitasking it is not.

BTW, TMF,
On any android device, if you hold down the home key for 2 seconds, it shows you every app you are currently running. Its always been like that. I have no idea what your talking about.. lol

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 11:27 1

44. tigermcm (Posts: 669; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)


ummmm with the whole pausing of the apps in the background isnt that what gives wp7 the "no lag" experience?

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 11:48 3

45. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no.

The "no lag" experience comes to the fact that WP7 and iOS both give top priority to finger movements. The entire system stops what its doing so it can devote full resources to keeping the FPS high and make a nice smooth transition effect. NOTHING will ever happen as long as you are moving the screen. Android lags a bit because things keep happening in the background.. aka Multitasking. It takes up a lot more resources and needs more horsepower to stay smooth.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 11:57 1

46. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


You have no clue what you're talking about. Things continue to run when iOS and windows show animations. Android needs to be rewritten from the ground up. It was rushed to compete with iOS. Rushed copycat job.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 12:38 2

49. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1551; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


oh man rushed yet #1 OS oh that sucks...oh wait NO IT DOESNT

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 13:47 1

53. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2927; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


For someone whos an antifanboy you sure are the biggest apple fanboy around.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 14:02

55. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


It's not being a fanboy if it's true. If you say android is more customizable it's true. Remix is trying to make it out like having a lag free experience is a bad thing. That's like me saying free navigation is bad. Android was rushed into touchscreens to compete with iPhone. It was being developed for a trackball. That's a fact.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 21:35

62. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


antifanboy is taco.

they havent banned this fake account yet taco?? OI. on day you will speak with knowledge instead of gas escaping from the wrong hole.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 21:48

64. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


Remember you said android hasn't taken anything from Apple. Now that we have undeniable proof that android was going to have a trackball and only went touchscreen after they saw the iPhone are you ready to admit you're wrong?

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:15 1

35. christiandicken7 (Posts: 3; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


The funny thing is the article writer is justifying in the end saying, "He has nothing to do with wp7 now, so if he's cursing Android, he's right." Its his opinion dude, how about writing an article on our opinion?

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:23

37. vslayer (Posts: 34; Member since: 12 Dec 2011)


im not against andoid b but i think windows 7 phones are great for me despite of the specs on board ,,,,, no lags whatsoever on n 1ghz processor ..... and in terms of web browsing i think s2 is a clear winner but that too much i think u compare windows phone 7(updated to mango) to all 1ghz single core processor out there (even i phone or blackberry) its a far behind ....whew!!!

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 10:52 1

40. captn3x (Posts: 43; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


I agree with him 100%. I talked at least 10 people into getting Android devices and the truth is, 8 out of the 10 can't handle the force closing, the lag, or all the menus. I did my own little unofficial investigation. When I'm at a bar or restaurant at night I'll ask people how they like there phones. All iPhone people say "I love this phone" (makes me want to punch them in the mouth)lol. Windows phone people say "I love the phone but I wish it had more apps. And Android phones users say one of two things, either, "it's alright" or "I am so sick of this piece of crap I should have gotten an iPhone". (Which makes me want to tell them to not drink the coolaid! My point, I now tell my geeky friends to get an Android device, friends that already have an iPod should get an iPhone, and everyone else I tell get a WP7.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 11:59 1

47. antifanboy (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)


Why does it upset you if people are happy with their iPhone? It's not drinking cool aid if you like the phone from first hand experience using it.

I agree with his opinion. I think windows phones will take a lot of marketshare from android. Just look at the poor satisfaction rates from android users.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 12:54 2

51. Johnny_Mnemonic (Posts: 240; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Keep. Dreaming

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 15:48 2

57. captn3x (Posts: 43; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)


I have to admit I admire apple for the business model they have developed. My issue isn't with apple, its with the people that blindly follow apple. I have friends that I call iwhores (which is truly a fun competitive running joke among us) that will buy anything apple even if its not the best product. As an example, apple tv vs roku.

posted on 12 Dec 2011, 21:37

63. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


antifanboy is Taco50,

dont feed the troll

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