For those who think BlackBerry or Nokia should switch to Android, here's why it is a bad idea
0. phoneArena 16 Aug 2013, 14:18 posted on
Every once in a while, we hear from those who think that Nokia or BlackBerry should drop their current operating systems and use Android as a replacement; on the surface, it would seem to make sense. Android, after all, is the top smartphone OS globally. With Windows Phone 8 and the new BlackBerry 10 platforms struggling, why not go with the leader...
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37. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
If you hate Samsung,you have a lot of choices, like Sony, hTc, LG, Asus, pantech, huawei, lenovo, motorola, if you are a fan of Nokia you will stick to it whatever os it had.
You just use Samsung as your excuse, but indeed you like it!
58. MartyK (Posts: 729; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
What he is saying is Samsung make the best internal parts, but they touchwiz and outter shell..well that sucks!
the rest of the OEM, refuse to listen to the customer (sd slot-bigger battery) or they are worst then Samsung when it comes to upgrading their OS.
70. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
You mean to say, bb internal and design are suck, I don't think so, as well as they provide removable battery and 32 gig Rom, and minimize the black bezel of all sides of the display, i think they'll still have a chance to compete, but if they're not listen to some good opinion from us, the consumer, we may compare them to sky diver's without parachute.
102. juandante (Posts: 447; Member since: 23 Apr 2013)
Being a fan don't mean being stupid. I'm a Nokia fan too (thanks to N-series and Symbian) but I will NEVER buy a Nokia Windows Microsoft limited closed phone.
23. PhoneCritic (Posts: 405; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
Alan I think you may have miss something here. HTC caught Samsung by surprise with the HTC one the styling alone was enough to hurt Samsung sales of the S4 maybe not drastically but it did hurt enough that Samsung had to revise the amount of phones it intended to sell. If HTC would have been able to release the phone not just on AT&T but Verizon ( instead of 6 months later) as well it would have been a real competition between the S4 and the One.
There is a growing cry out in Android land that it users want not just specs but specs and premium built quality as well. and if a manufacture can capitalize on this it would be enough to change the landscape which HTC could have done. So much so it sent Samsung back to the drawing board to discuss design phase three. Now we will see an S5 not only with specs but a all aluminum body.
If you forget HTC was the top make at one point but they sat on their laurels to long and released to many of the same products in a cycle that seem to be month after month. ( Samsung is in danger of doing the same thing) it wasn't till their backs were up against the wall that they deliver the hail Mary HTC one.
If any manufacture could have caught Samsung it would have been Nokia - their built quality is superb and their camera tech was next to non. However, now others are catching up ( and how long will it be when we see an Android phone with a 25, 30, 40 or higher megapixel camera at the rate things are moving?) Nokia's niche may not be a niche anymore. ( I am not going to lie I had really wish Nokia would have also manufacture a Android device instead of just windows - I think they would have taken down Samsung and again be the top smartphone make. but that's all water under the bridge)
26. qeru8676 (Posts: 5; Member since: 16 Aug 2013)
all right let me clear some things with no fanboyism only facts
let nokia before elop = previous nokia
after elop = new nokia
Before elop nokia was very very slow and egoistic in management and nokia ex ceo and top management was bullish and made bad decisions.. symbian was outdated and required heavy improvements meego/maemo was the answer but according to "Previous nokia" it had only 4 phones slated to launch till 2014.. this was the "oh s*it moment" then they decided to drop meego/meltemi and outsource software this would be fast..
first nokia did not choose windows phone because like elop said " 1 player will dominate android ( samsung) " elop had meeting with google and ms both.. at that time nokia was top major manufacturer . elop first went to google and asked to give exclusivity or benefits to nokia for nokia switching to android.. like special treatment etc.. google said no.. samsung was no where at that point htc was the top android manufacturer..
google said no.. as it would not be good for other partners .. so nokia's decision for wp was because google did not gave them exclusivity..
then they had no other option so they asked microsoft.. microsoft agreed to give 1 billion $ to nokia only if they go exclusively with them.. and thought of buying nokia later .. and then came the burning platform memo..
this was the biggest mistake elop made not wp but exclusivity.. elop is a canadian. and things are very different in usa and rest of the world .. there is no contract system in countries like india / africa.. usa was never strong market for nokia.. so for elop nokia was nothing other than a simple manufacturer ..
in india/africa/uk nokia was like god of mobiles like apple in usa was 2 years ago.. massive following .. this was the reason flop mobiles like n97 sold millions and this is the reason apple has been dominant in usa till now . elop never understood this and he tried to break in usa market . he could not understand the value of nokia's major markets and tried to break in minor markets.. samsung in developing countries at that time was like a third class copy cat manufacturer. it used to be sony ercisson vs nokia .
Samsung rise to top because nokia choose wp ( 11 feb was much bigger day for samsung than nokia itself )
that is the reason n9 was so succesfull
after elop nokia really improved its management . decisions were fast and everyone was heard earlier only top management was bullish in its decisions that changed with elop management then followed some bad decisions like completely scraping symbian before wp was even ready and no phones to compete low end android..
what happened ?
People asked for nokia looked for nokia . but there was no nokia android only few old ymbian models . they had no choice except samsung . samsung was the only 1 android manufacturer
this is the reason samsung is where it is today
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31. qeru8676 (Posts: 5; Member since: 16 Aug 2013)
so you say wp is a success ?
no why ?
920 has not been a major success in usa . in developing countries it has been a flop..
Lets talk bout the big boy lumia 520/521
Lumia 520 - a massive hit phone in developing countries . why ? lets take a look at the prices
lumia 520 - 180 $
specs- 1 ghz dual core krait , 4 inch screen , nokia , sexy looks , 521 mb ram no lag 800 x 480 resolution
other international android phones - dumb looks , 3.2-3.5 inch screen , 1ghz cortex a5 cpu, 512 mb ram .. only lag and lag 320 x 480 resolution
Local chinese/indian players - dual core, 5 inch screen , 1gb ram , 720 p resolution
so those who prefer brand go with nokia 520 because it is exceptional value for money those who prefer specs go with local players.. samsung business this year hasn't been good in low end segment . galaxy y was a major hit but since then it has been flop market for samsung since lumia 520 and local manufacturer has captured the share
Lumia 520/620/720 selling because android simply has nothing to offer at that level to compete against nokia. once that is taken care ( sony xperia M )
nokia is winning only on the basis of price . they can only sustain that only upto a limit.. in usa lumia 520/521 is hit because there is simply no other better option for unlocked prices..
Lumia 1020 is miles ahead of competition but sadly at that price it will go niche until they drop the prices by 30 %..
so in conclusion
samsung is there because nokia is not on android
wp /Lumia 520/620/720 is selling because there are no android options ( upcoming models will change that )
36. qeru8676 (Posts: 5; Member since: 16 Aug 2013)
Ms then tried to buy nokia last year but ms realized it was not worth it now as nokia has lost all of its value and nothing is going to change when they buy them since wp is not even 5 %..
now as per many articles 1 billion $ money injections have stopped and nokia is giving high royalty to ms for phones sold..
nokia will be fine like this for quite some time.. but there won't be any scenario where windows phone takes over Android.. windows phone is going to get its share from apple . so apple has to loose in order for lumia to win. apple does not hold any major share
in developing countries. apple is like a premium mobile jewellery brand. People only buy it for its status .
and nokia is releasing one asha phone after another . they were good till last year but soon good android phones are also catching up at that price 80 $.
75. WindowsiDroid (Posts: 122; Member since: 22 Jul 2013)
Only Sony Xperia L could battle Lumia 720.
86. qeru8676 (Posts: 5; Member since: 16 Aug 2013)
true but during the first month or so sony xperia L was 50 $ expensive than lumia 520.. in developing countries that is a big amount since you are paying 350 $ instead of 300 $ , later they have dropped prices like anything and it is selling well . another reason was the camera. 8 mp clicked photos like a 2 mp camera. hardware was alright but the software implementation was so bad. everytime the photos were shaky and hdr mode had problems . this put off many people.. still it is selling very well compared to lumia 720. but the real competitor to lumia 520/620 is sony xperia M which was launched yesterday. it is priced right i expect it to be a even major hit than lumia 520 . but then lumia 520 is already getting lower and lower in price .. so lumia 520 will continue to sell well due to nokia price cuts . but lumia 620 is going to take a serious hit . same thing will happen with nokia lumia 520 after 4-5 months.. and expect phones like xperia C to take on the upcoming rumored lumia large screen phones. samsung and htc are sleeping . there is literally no phone by htc and samsung is riding on success of older galaxy advance and galaxy grand . rest xolo and micromax are dominant in that segment. there is no surprise that micromax is holding the second largest share in india after samsung.
30. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
If I were to bb, just stick to their own os, provide high end specs, removable batt, sd slot, 5" full hd screen in a small form factor like S4 and Xperia ZL.( thickness of 9.8 mm is not bad as long the batt is replaceable).
Actually I'm planning to sell my hTc One t-mobile, and get the S4.the only hold me to do that, just because the gnote3 is coming.
39. Commentator (Posts: 2600; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
You just described how to make a perfect Samsung-clone. How would they be able to market their BB OS against Android?
46. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
Look, Samsung is the only oem providing the one that I mention above, and where is the Samsung now? They are on the top of android world. About the marketing, the bb management will provide some gifted personnel to do the job. Since I use mobile phone, the battery most of them are removable.
40. jellmoo (Posts: 744; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Nokia has an agreement with Microsoft to use solely WP on their smartphones. That billion dollar payout from Microsoft is essentially what kept them afloat. I do not believe that the finer details are readily available, so it is within the realm of reason that Nokia simply cannot adopt Android, even on the side, without violating their agreement with Microsoft.
Blackberry, on the other hand, may have some interesting cards to play. I agree that they simply cannot adopt Android and expect success. There are too many competitors with a leg up on them. But, Blackberry could form a strategic partnership with one of them to introduce a line of Android devices featuring advanced security and messaging, and offer a QWERTY alternative that no other manufacturer is really touching. It would be a specialized niche within the Android world, but it is a wide open one, that could yield some positives.
41. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Seriosuly? With all due respect to Samsung and Touchwiz (the GS4 launcher is the best imo. Flashed it on LS 2.9 i9300) - They haven't cracked the magic formula to the best android experience ever.
Nokia or blackberry could do something that no android manufacturer except motorola tried to - they could stop putting all the resources on big screens and crazy processors and instead focus on the GUI. Make a gui which has every phone function\app\widget available at hand at any time. Without scrolling to pages upon pages of launchers one at a time. Make something different.
47. kg4icg (Posts: 70; Member since: 18 May 2008)
I guess people for get that Samsung doesn't make only Android phones and tablets. Can we say Ativ.
49. MirOsamahAli (Posts: 25; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
I Would buy a Lumia running Android in a heartbeat.
51. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 425; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)
To all the phone maker if most people had to get a phone with bloat ware and slow are no updates its going to be Samsung all day the set the trends with big screen phones...your average user notice this only most time..be the first to do something different then rest ...lg buttons on the back stupid
54. softfurryanus (banned) (Posts: 232; Member since: 09 Jul 2013)
Nokia should also make android and WP devices, I hate WP but I cant deny that Nokia makes a nice phone, I would definitely consider them if they were working with android.
60. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 335; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
There's nothing that says if Nokia were to adopt Android that they would have to go all-in. If they want to focus on WP that's ok, but there is some demand for Nokia hardware running Android which they could cater to for some extra revenue.
62. JGuinan007 (Posts: 647; Member since: 19 May 2011)
A great article by Alan F? Congraats good read.
64. kindlefireowner (Posts: 468; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Fandroids. You do realize that the smartphone industry is a business. These companies are in business to make a profit for their shareholders. If the profits are small for all but one company in android , why should Nokia bother. You don't think the management at Nokia reads the earnings reports and sales of Sony and HTC android phones as well as Samsung. These numbers are not news to Nokia, HTC, and Sony management.
67. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
The problem people, and it seems Alan as well, keep ignoring is that Samsung is the only manufacturer putting any real effort into making and marketing top notch devices. Was the Razr good... It was GREAT! Was the HTC One X good... Of course it was. But what do these phones do? What made them special? How aggressive was the marketing? The Razr was probably Motorola's best phone EVER! But they made it a VZW exclusive. How can you get more sales if you limit your product to one carrier? There were 90 million potential customers at AT&T alone that had no option to buy no matter what. The same goes for Sony, LG, and others.
Samsung made and marketed ONE device, and made it available on all 4 major carriers. THAT made all the difference in the world for both Samsung and Apple. So to say Android is a bad choice because these other OEM's can't do what Samsung did is just silly. They need to listen to their customers and maybe we won't have to turn to Samsung.
And again... I don't remember anyone saying Nokia should not make WP devices. All I keep hearing is people saying they should do both(except for the WP fanboys).
69. jroc74 (Posts: 5201; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Exactly. Moto and HTC just started doing good, popular phones across the other carriers.
Some ppl act like what Samsung is doing cannot be matched or done by others. It can, others just need to start doing it. I bet most ppl dont even realize Moto basically stopped doing low end and mid range phones while HTC and Samsung kept doing them, and doing them alot more. Moto just started doing the low end, mid range ones more recently.
72. tiara6918 (Posts: 1790; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
If nokia was the first manufacturer to release an android device, they would have been the lead but it's too late now, it would be better for them in the end to just stick with wp
78. Finalflash (Posts: 1982; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
The real problem is that most of the low sellers in the Android camp are just stupid. Take HTC for example, the HTC One still hasn't come out on verizon in the states (I think but still released very late) and the Xperia Z is just coming out in Canada....so one has to question what these companies (some of them massive) are smoking not releasing their phones in high priority markets. The Xperia Z has been out in the UK since March or something and the HTC one released there a month after that. Yet the Galaxy S4 has been in both of these markets for several months and right after its initial announcement. If these companies do not want to take a chance and produce enough units to ship to everyone, then they are taking that risk at a cost to themselves. If they can't do it and have to allocate reasonably, then they need to allocate more efficiently and effectively.
79. tucutucu (Posts: 48; Member since: 03 Aug 2013)
Nokia with android??? ANTICHRIST!!! lol... IF that happens in the future, Nokia will lose their quality reputation on the whole world...
Give it a couple of weeks, 920 has just arrived on LA and East-Europe...It gonna wow many people
82. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
so many butthurt android fanboys, obviosly not very happy with the cheap build quality and $hitty camera on their samsung, motorola, lg, htc handsets.
How many times do we have to tell you clowns - we like Windows Phone for its simplicity, dedicated support, and reliability.
85. weedl (Posts: 50; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
just ask if you can take photo in low light camera why don't we just use a flash, isn't every camera have a flash ..
87. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3567; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
It seems to me that it makes more sense for the others, besides Samsung to start focusing heavily on making great WP models... It doesn't make any sense for them to put all their eggs in one basket anymore, and fight over such small market share... Sony could give Nokia a run for it's money in the WP department if they gave their WP devices the support that Nokia does... Nobody stays on top forever,, and regardless of whether some of you guys like WP, or not, it's here to stay... WP is only going to get bigger and better, and it's only a matter of time before it gains the only 10% market share it needs to surpass iOS... At that time so many developers would have jumped on board OEM's would be stupid to not create WP devices.. You can say I'm crazy all you want but I'm just gonna say.... We'll just have to wait and see❕
90. keylimejelly (banned) (Posts: 22; Member since: 16 Aug 2013)
its just a fanboy talk for those who think its easy for nokia if they go with andoid
what happened to htc?
samsung nailed them
its only samsung who gives those gimmick features in flagships
samsung is already working.on brain-controlled smartphone
no matter how much powerful ur smartphone is
the device.will only get popular unless it has extra plus points
and samsung does everything
so better for nokia to stay away from.android
as right now nokia is.well known for.its feature.phones
92. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 677; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
The article is moot. Author advises Blackberry to not to adopt to Android coz Samsung has maxm share & little share is for HTC, SONY, etc. So by that author means that its better to have no share of market rather than having some (like 2%).
The only reason why Blackberry should not switch to Android is that Blackberries are insanely high priced & even Android with such high price cant be get Blackberry into the game..
93. tucutucu (Posts: 48; Member since: 03 Aug 2013)
Considering Android devices big sales are on the low-end territory, we will see if Samsung, LG, etc. can compete against Nokia with WP8 and even Apple and 5C with iOS. It's not a high-end territory, it wasn't and it won't (only worked on Apple's finances with high profitable sales, and is not working anymore)...so, as I've said, give it a couple of weeks and we'll see how the statistics are changin, now, while we're reading this. The battle has started, iPhone 5C vs. Nokia 520/625..
94. Sondae (Posts: 197; Member since: 02 Jan 2013)
For me its nice to see different type of OS on different phone it can be IOS, windows, android, blackberry and etc because people have different taste and preference not all people want things always there will be time people change different phone OS. It would be boring if you have one OS phone in the market no choice beside there will be no competition plus no trolling in forum which OS better lol.
95. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1163; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
its because nokia says that if they go on android, they might go bankrupt because samsung and others dominate in that area. so nokia is a pussy back then..
and since they have have few money to invest, they went to windows phone which microsoft gives them money annually in using their OS. giving nokia a fighting chance in phone production - at the risk of improving the WP OS as well.
-and also they said android is a fragmented , buggy, virus friendly OS.
so this is the story why nokia didnt go android.
97. Dion25 (Posts: 42; Member since: 25 Jul 2012)
And I suppose you think Samsung will just roll over and allow Nokia to take market shares from them? Samsung would respond with a camera that's on par with Nokia. Nokia don't have the capital to take on Samsung they know this so why enter into a fight if you cannot win. Nokia is doing fine slowly restablishing themselves using windows phone with no competition on that platform.
103. gregd (Posts: 1; Member since: 17 Aug 2013)
You are forgetting about Samsung switching to Tizen. Do to greed.
Also, remember how well reviewed webos was. And it was the death nail to palm. Android is the only hope for blackberry.
105. SSyar (Posts: 14; Member since: 03 Jan 2012)
commenting just bcoz.., the source text is ZTE and hyperlink is from zdnet
Meanwhile, other guys carry on with discussion..,,.
107. wantsNokiaNexus (Posts: 2; Member since: 24 Aug 2013)
I think that BB could and should adopt Android at least on the side. The advantage of Android is its openness. BB could port everything they are known for to an exclusive skin including the great interface of the Z10 plus a full qwerty keyboard. Yes, it would use software, not hardware as its selling point but unlike other brands (ahem* Samsung) theirs would be useful. The advantage of this is it would have the android app store. It would add Evernote, Drive, Keep and many other apps that would be good for productivity. I think that the reason people shift out of BB is that it is just lacking compared to other OS.
108. wantsNokiaNexus (Posts: 2; Member since: 24 Aug 2013)
For Nokia, W8 exclusivity is piratically suicide. There is no guarantee of the success for W8. It should have swallowed its pride and just be another Android manufacturer. (see comment 26 for the full story) Now Samsung practically own Android, Even Google is afraid, that's why they bought Motorola. One way for Nokia to fight in Android is if Google bought back the exclusivity of Nokia to W8 and make an Android with it. This would also solve the Samsung problem.
For low-end phones, I think that the Asha platform is the best (see Asha 501). It just needs some Google apps (keep, calendar etc) to be a real contender.I would not buy a smartphone and just stick with it and my Android tab. (my phone is just an asha 300)