For the third time, Clove sells out inventory of the Nokia Lumia 920 before it arrives at the store
0. phoneArena 12 Jan 2013, 05:58 posted on
The Nokia Lumia 920 may yet turn out to be the Windows Phone 8 device that makes the platform a real challenger to iOS and Android in the same manner that the Motorola DROID kick started Android in 2009; for the third time, U.K. retailer Clove sold out of the Nokia Lumia 920 before the inventory arrived at the store and backordered units will start shipping as soon as this coming Monday...
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1. wendygarett (unregistered)
Stupid clove, you should stuff more lumia on the stock... Now we have to wait again lol :p
2. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
Nokia sure showed the other OEMs how to do the hardware side of things. Am sure they can dominate any platform they adopt.
9. aokde (Posts: 186; Member since: 09 Jul 2012)
i agree with you, and add that sony also showed how to do the hardware side of things.
12. drubicha (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
They are fighting in a battle of ecosystem as they repeatedly declare. Just switch, WP is a better OS with a better foundation. Android only hide their performance through specs.
54. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Please specify what makes Windows better than any other OS and please be very specific. Im going to come back and I better not see some comment about tiles that makes Windows mobile the best OS in the world.
I will be waiting.
60. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Instead of people trolling and giving me a thumbs down. Answer the question, and make some valid points.
Step up to the plate.
69. mgignon278 (Posts: 5; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
1. Has An Easier-To-Use Interface
2. Microsoft LIVE Integration Is Bad Ass
3. Microsoft Mobile Office Integration
4. Microsoft Isn’t Constantly Getting Sued by Apple
6. No Ad-Ware!
7. and more...
72. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
1. Not easier. Simpler. Less customizable.
Remember, on Android you make it how you want it.
This would make Apple KING!
2. Thats like saying Google+ is better. All preference.
3. Really? Android has office / pdf readers, etc.
4. How does that make windows better?
5. Stability? BE SPECIFIC. Android is very stable. Some phones arent. Has nothing to do with the OS. It would he like if the Nokia was stable and HTC wasnt.
6. There adware on you home screen bro!
You still have not said one single thing that makes Windows better.
73. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
I forgot to add that Apple is very stable too..
78. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Im not being BIAS. Im taking Apple, Android, and Windows into consideration. I havent said one is better than one or the other. Im simply proving a point that Android and Windows currently offer the same things and it all comes down to user preference. I AM NOT TALKING PHONES! Im talking PURE OS.
The only problem I see with Apple is their UI. Android and Windows currently offer live updates through widgets and tiles and iOS does not. Android can also run more apps at once even video while you do something else. Windows has good camera software.
Each has their miniscule perks, but it all comes down to WHAT YOU WANT and need.
85. bon24x7 (Posts: 205; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)
well if that was what you meant before..then +1 to you..it comes down to personal preferences..every os has their own advantages n disadvantages.. :)
128. jsdechavez (Posts: 713; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Android is good if not excellent. Windows Phone is also good and it's still early to say what it can grow into. Look at early Android versions and look at it now. Windows phone will also grow. Keep up with your Android. Let others explore as well. You may think WP as no good but others don't see it that way. Perhaps they just want a phone with easy to hit buttons or tiles.
84. bon24x7 (Posts: 205; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)
"Android has office / pdf readers, etc. "
but nothing even close to office
"Android is very stable. Some phones arent. Has nothing to do with the OS. It would he like if the Nokia was stable and HTC wasnt"
all phones in windows ecosystem are stable its not brand or model specific like android..everyone gets the same user experience.
"There adware on you home screen bro! "
Seems like its in your head.
"You still have not said one single thing that makes Windows better."
State what makes your android better..?
108. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Nothing close to office? We have a great word processing system and readers. Youre really tripping out if you think Windows is better its really the same thing.
How many phones currently run windows? I hope that was a joke. Sure its smooth, but theres really nothing too extensive for it to stress out the phone because the windows OS does less. What part of that dont you understand? Theres over a hundred of Android phones.
Some apps that run on a GS3 wont run on the original droid. Again, that has to do with the phones NOT the OS. Windows is too new to see anything yet. Same thing happened with iPhone and the original phone. Its obvious.
Windows live tiles resemble ad like looks with Fb, twitter, etc... Also, The only ads are on the apps which are usually free!
Well the better things on Android...
2. A hell lot more customizable. Stock
3. More free app options (expense of ads)
4. Can run more at the same time including Video! Seperate window.
5. Each manufacturer can add their own skin on top of the OS. So you have more freedom to choose exactly what you want.
6. With my use of Microsoft devices in the past, they might require paid usage for some of their services.
I didnt say Android was superior. There are some advantages to both OS. The thing I like about Windows is that Microsoft sets a low spec limit. So they can not make a extremely low spec phone. It has to meet minimum requirements. One thing I very much dislike is that they do not fully support coparable devices comparable to the high end android phones as far as specs go. That limits developers from being able to develop apps that require a lot of power and that may be why it may feel smoother. In reality, it may be that the apps are too basic right now.
118. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Sorry to break your bubble dude, but Android is just unefficient, powerhungry copycat os. It uses those cute tiny noninofrmative icons like apple products. Icons comes from -90.
WP8 is making strong steps forward, while others stands still and try to make os more efficient (yeah, IOS is the most antique one).
I luv my 920
136. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
You must have never used Android because Androids widgets display information like live tiles wayyyy before Windows mobile.
You didnt know that? Nothing at all.
83. abate (Posts: 43; Member since: 19 Dec 2012)
Android need an 8 core phone to match the smoothness of a dual core WP8.
I know you won't accept this and brag about jellybean being much smoother now. But smoother means neither "Smoothest" nor "Lag free".
But I can give you one simple test to prove the fact.
A very simple task.
01) Get a WP8 and get a Nexus 4 (because we all know stock stock android is faster than bloatware skinned Androids like Touchwiz, Sense, etc.,
02) Restart both devices (To ensure WP has no advantages)
03) Tap the caller icon on "Nexus 4" and caller tile on "WP8"
04) See which one is faster to show up dialler screen first.
05) You can do other tasks too, like opening message hub. But don't open "contacts" on nexus 4 and "people hub" in WP8. Because you will be even more disappointed to show how quick WP is.
NOTE: If you used a flagship like "Note 2", "DNA", "Galaxy S3" or "HTC One X+" instead of Nexus 4, the results will be even badder for you.
I own HTC One S, but I adore WP. It's so smooth that android can only dream. Because android's every new version is going heavy. That's why a two year old phone can't even get updated to newer version, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ALL RUNNING BASED ON SAME KERNEL.
I will be happy, if Google concentrate on optimizing Android rather than going heavy with the next major build. Because if google continue to do what they do now, then next year or in 2014, only quad core phones with 2 GB RAM, will be able to get the update.
For example, just look at APPLE. All the iOS versions are based on same kernel, but almost all of their devices are running the latest version of iOS. That's what called optimization.
98. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Do you understand how technology works? Im going to use a TV for example. Older TVs were indeed faster than the newer TVs, but it takes time to process the image, etc... and bring it to you in better quality.
So, can you assume why the Nokia Lumia 920 has a higher frame rate? Why the iPhone can process faster.
I remember when the Droid Incredible came out and people were complaining of the frame rate even though it was one of the best phones at the time. Its really self explanatory why some stuff in Windows is faster. I really shouldnt need to explain that.
Android runs a lot more at once and it can handle A LOT more at once.
Also, the videos are so moronic not to go into developer options...
I can make my GS3 open up pages a hell of a lot faster. Its in my settings. I have the choice to choose how fast my windows transition. This is without rooting or modifications.
112. abate (Posts: 43; Member since: 19 Dec 2012)
You are a downright idiot.
You have no idea what you are talking about?
You are desperately searching for your own ways to prove your choice is the best and perfect.
But in reality nothing is perfect. Everything has it's flaws and strengths.
Fools like you won't accept the reality. Because you like one of the usual blind folded followers, who has no self-sense, like a frog in a well.
You asked what makes windows phone OS better than other OS. So I said it's speed. With the perfect scenario to test that yourself.
Now you come up with some useless example like TV or something. you understand what the F*** you are talking about.
First try to respect everything. Don't hate something because you don't own it. Who knows it may be better than what you have. First untie your blindfold.
Don't reply me. I have better things to do here than argue with an A** following, senseless fanboy.
126. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Accept reality of what? That I have a great phone that runs smoothly, doesnt crash and does everything that I want it to do?
Again, I own this phone. I would know if runs smoothly or not. If its quick or not or what its capable of.
You insult me and that makes your right? I can call you a bunch of names and that would do nothing. Are we going to make this a name calling contest????
What am I blind of? Out of 4 Android phones in the past 2 years have all run smoothly and that is the reason why I have stuck with Android. Its a great open OS that runs just fine.
People tend to take things over board a whole damn lot.
Windows and Android are great OS. But to call one better than the other is pretty stupid because its all about choice. They currently offer most of the same features, but of some that are better on Android that I prefer BECAUSE I WANT IT.
That doesnt make me stupid or a moron.
I ALSO NEVER SAID ANDROID WAS PERFECT AND I NEVER TRIED TO WIN YOU OVER. READ POST 78.
Even if it was a stupid example. I tried to make it simple for you, but here it goes.
My GS3 has MANY times more animations than over any Lumia. My GS3 has the same processor, so you might see 1/10th of an already FAST transition of what you CALL SLOW. I can also choose to turn it off and go into the developer options and turn any animations and transitions off and make these transitions intant or I can choose to kill apps if I leave them... I choose not to because I like my animations. ITS WHAT I PREFER! The main difference between this Lumia 920 and my US GS3 is that I have twice the RAM, so I can run a whole lot more than a Lumia 920 and it doesnt even slow down. So, again for the (x) time, IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU WANT!
119. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
I agree with you about everything. Although IOS is not optimized at all. It is JUST so simple, too simple that it doesnt need anything. Thats why its also 1st in aging pipeline.
Using IOS feels like playing with dublo bricks, instead of real legos!
122. abate (Posts: 43; Member since: 19 Dec 2012)
I think you are confused the word "Optimization" with the word "Conservatism / Evolution".
iOS = I will give number one place for Optimization. WP will only come second in this category even though the difference won't be that much. One good example for it is, it's battery life. iPhone and iPad has great battery life, while maintaining smoothness.
But it's at the bottom when it comes to "Evolution". They are being too stubborn to change.
WP => It's on top when it comes to "Evolution". (Look at the change (UI) from WM6.5 => WP7 => WP8)
They also continue this trend in PC OS too.
Optimization is also at the top just below iOS.
Android => It's at the bottom, when it comes to "Optimization"
But takes second spot when it comes to "Evolution".
It's changes way from 1.0 to 4.2 is acceptable.
101. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Speaking from my 7 months of experience with my Lumia 900, and years of use of Android, Symbian, and others, allow mr to share my thoughts/experiences:
Regarding Windows Phone:
• It makes customization less necessary due to its ease-of-use and more modernistic interface (UI) which accomplishes natively what typically requires a third party app, widget, or macro to accomplish on other platforms, creating a satisfying and even PLEASANT user experience.
•It. Just. Works.
• The apps are top-notch, and without a bunch of junk trying to hog all the resources in the background (or poorly-written apps trying to hit the foreground), crashes are extremely rare (maybe once a month, but the system goes right to the Start screen), and 0 (yes, ZERO) force-restarts. The system shows it ls optimizations, cleverness, and straightforward simplicity at every turn.
• Microsoft's app design guidelines are excellent for making everything, even third-party apps, feel unified, as well as quelling the riot of designs and styles prevalent on other platforms. Someone here recently mentioned that some apps on other systems (and the systems themselves) have a "MySpace" feel, being chaotic, unrefined, and unpleasant. This sentiment is not unrealistic.
• Being of a smaller user base, there is a sense of tight-knit community of users, as well as being less-likely targets of malware and such (much like macintosh was in the early 90's) due to the relatively low user count. Also, Microsoft is good about patrolling, auditing, and stripping nefarious apps from the marketplace, if they get there at all. Much like google back in pre 2.3 days, when there were a smaller number of apps to patrol.
• There is also a sense of being ahead of the curve, early-adopter status, if you will, being part of something that's great and becoming more widespread, much like Facebook when it was college-only. It isn't a selfish or haughty feeling, just one of satisfaction knowing you have something before others do.
• The phones themselves are great. While android is beating them on specs, the phones still keep up with speed and fluidity. There isn't as much of a need for such potency, except for only top-tier games, and even then such astronomical hardware is overkill. Top-quality phones nonetheless, I.e. ATIV S is essentially a reskinned GS3, WP8X essentially a reskinned OneX, etc. There is also a strong innovative attitude, debuting novel concepts and technologies in phones rather than the constant game of one-upmanship prevalent on other systems.
• I know I mentioned this earlier, but I must reiterate, the phones just WORK, and not only that, are even pleasant to use. This Lumia is THE most satisfying phone I have yet owned, period, and the only reason I want to replace it is that its younger sibling, the 920, is so much more improved in areas I frequently use and would use more with such an excellent device.
102. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
•Lots of options for phone sizes, types, and customization.
•Lots of other users, with a large network of communities dedicated to ekeing as much out of each decent model as possible
•it has a steep-ish learning curve
•it can be chaotic and messy, and mostly due to its almost overwhelming customization options.
•phone models are frequently replaced with newer models, so they lose value more quickly, and the user is filled with a constant desire to get the next thing, even if what they have was top tier previously. This creates a difficulty as few users can afford a new model every few months, and carriers only allow upgrading every 18-22 months. Also, there are those that upgrade because they are hoping that the new release night fix the issues they experience on their owned models, bringing me to...
•there is such a frenzied pace to update models they can come out seemingly half-baked, unpolished, and incomplete. Thus the user has to wait for updates with the hope and expectation that those issues will be fixed. However the manufacturer is typically working on the next release, and the old model is old news and if and when the update comes out, it, too, can be seemingly incomplete and doesn't resolve the original issues. Thus, the customer is kept waiting for the next model with the hope that maybe it, finally, will be near-perfect in launch form. But the cycle continues. It is vicious and unsatisfying, and frustrating.
• App developers seem to write most of the decent apps for the top-level devices, and any device that tries to use them less than top-end tends to be overwhelmed, so the app runs poorly, the device fails, and the user is frustrated. Similarly, it seems most apps aren't really written with restraint, that is, taking too much processing power on both front and backgrounds. The phone runs slowly, the processor gets hot, the battery life decreases dramatically (so if/when troubleshooting, the first steps tend to be resetting the device to factory-fresh), and the user gets frustrated. Noticing a pattern? It's like buying a car from a particular brand, having it fail repeatedly, but buying the same model a model year newer /ad infinitum/. Granted, some phones are better/worse than others, but I've seen this even with users of the Galaxy S3, Note 2, Nexus4/Optimus G, and a OneX+.
•The system itself can lag and crash, even with Jelly Bean, not because it is a bad system, but because the system runs on top of an outdated Java virtual machine setup, which is in dire need of an overhaul, or the system made to run without the VM. Realistically this should be done within the next 2-3 updates to stay abreast of specs, cost, and user satisfaction/retention, despite recent improvements (octa-cores, more advanced GPUs, etc).
•The not-infrequent freezes, page, restarts of both launcher and device, are frustrating, time-wasting, and are indicative of a flawed product. Android deserves better.
109. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
You do realize that a lot of the problems you mention are probably with the phones and not the OS. My GS3 runs perfectly. I have not had to force restart even once and my phone runs perfectly. Sometimes I run into problems with certain apps, but thats the developers fault, NOT the phone, NOT the OS.
Of course the developers focus on the top notch phones. I would expect them to or they would get many complaints about why they dont support 1080p, etc... if its already available. Windows doesnt have too many phones out right now and youre judging based on their Lumia phones. Once those Lumias start getting older, you have to reach a wider audience because technology
advances at a very very fast rate. So, even if you have a top notch Android or Windows phone, it wont be for long. Its just the way it is and you will start running into compatability issues. Obviously when the original droid came out, it was a lot easier to develop. Windows is VERY new. This is why the iPhone is so stable because they worry about one phone only and its really easy to control the updates and software compatability. It might be similar to Windows because Windows wont be running skins. I like and prefer Samsung and Motorola skins over the stock OS. Some prefer the naked Nexus. We have a choice and Windows only has a phone choice. Its all about preference. Would I buy a Windows phone? Probably. Would I buy an iPhone? Probably not because I dont like Apples business strategies and I do not support them. It all comes down to the user. I like the extra stuff my GS3 does. The rippling water animations when I touch the screen, the developer options that let me make my phone snappier or prettier, the way I can watch a video while I text or read this comment, the way I can change the fonts, colors, widgets, settings, etc... I can even replace and create my own OS! This is why I like Android. Because I can root my phone and some manufactuers even condone it!
I love my Android phone because I can make it do exactly what I want it to do and Android is cool with that.
86. c1pher (Posts: 9; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
well, i think it's alright. even if android need higher spec, as long as that android phone run well, we should be gratefull. we shouldn't hate other OS, android is nice too, while my self loves windows phone more. ^^ cheers.
sorry for the bad english though.
3. the_best (Posts: 139; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
if you guys says its worthy then its got to be true!
4. MeoCao (unregistered)
There's one big difference: Droid was successful BECAUSE of Android, while 920 sells IN SPITE of WP8.
5. wendygarett (unregistered)
I just spent half and hour on wp8 on Nokia store. You should try it as well, it's not that bad :)
6. MeoCao (unregistered)
It's not bad against iOS, it's bad against JB.
10. drubicha (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
Android will go down. People will soon realize how messy the UI is like your underwears in your room hanging around every nook and corner.
15. lumia920 (Posts: 112; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)
it's bad against JB? biggest joke of 2013.
32. TROLL_IS_AHA (banned) (Posts: 10; Member since: 11 Jan 2013)
The only good thing about Wp8 is its frame rates are at 90 frames per second while iOS and OS JB is at 60 or else it's just another iOS wannabe immatation which windows had 7 years to develop and look they still couldn't succeed nor overtake android and Apple and they never will no matter how hard or what they put in!
Android and iOS rules others will follow
49. putyongka (Posts: 36; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
Android & iOS will go down and will be replaced by Nokia and BB in the future. I see the trend. iSh$$p/crapDroids will turn into zombies for still sticking with outdated OS.
52. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Android outdated? (point 1) You do realize that Windows has been out for a little over a year and its already abandoned some of its devices. Like Android (point 2) are you saying Android is outdated even though theres been 8 different Android versions excluding Honecomb in the past 3.25 years? They have all been different visuals wise and features. (point 3) further proving my point, you have lost all credibility of arguing for such a stupid comment.
Please, do some research instead of just typing stupid nonsense. Is this the start of a new Sheep?
56. drubicha (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
Whatever you're saying, Android is still a jungle with poor foundation. Not as customer friendly as WP. Just like in the Digital world - "keep it simple, stupid!". But don't mistaken simplicity over stupidiy. WP has a lot of power behind it, and performance speaks for itself. In Android, non-geeks pretend to be geeks. It's a MySpace world all over again as history dictates.
57. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
What are you talking about? You have not mentioned one thing about a phone or the OS.
What is this jungle with poor foundation? What is customer friendly?
Im reading this jabber and Im not reading anything to back your statements up. Youre just making comments about something you probably know nothing about just because you like Windows OS.
58. papss (unregistered)
Couldn't agree more.. It's funny that the people that bash WP8 don't own it nor have they had a WP in recent times.. However most WP8 fans have tried and have owned android..and yes it's very MySpace like.. I want something fresh and new to use and android most certainly isn't it... Stutter much android?? Even with "project butter" ha what a joke
64. cripton805 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
So youre saying Windows is better because its newer and you feel that its new and fresh?
You really need an award for that one bro.
That REALLY makes something better than something else. Im dead set on it.
103. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
@cripton No Windows devices I know of are not getting 7.8. ALL have been updated to at least 7.5. They may be out of warranty, but they are still supported.
89. c1pher (Posts: 9; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
this is the kind of coment that makes these kind of sites interesting. flame war usually begin with this kind of comment.
sorry for the bad grammar. ^^
88. c1pher (Posts: 9; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
i never used iOS, but is iOS really that bad?, i think iOS has it's own cool feature too.
120. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
I own Nokia Lumia 920 and "the new ipad 3rd generation". IOS is a simple os. For those who likes easiest and most simpliest os, it is just fine.
Android works just fine for geeks and specwise custom fanatics.
I've testedvthm all and say easily, wp8 overall experience beats them all easily and Noka makes the best hardware.
19. darkkjedii (Posts: 18460; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
So what is it u don't like about wp8?
21. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Like many others have stated, this seems to be the only site where you can't love or comment anything pro-WP/BB/iOS, etc. Only pro-Android comments are well received. It's annoying.
27. asseek (Posts: 164; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)
yea true, this site is full of Android fans, who accept nothing but Android, and always claim they are using their freedom of speech by bashing and trolling, not by givings facts (not all)
33. TROLL_IS_AHA (banned) (Posts: 10; Member since: 11 Jan 2013)
Why wouldn't they are you or why would any android users would leave there open free unrestricted prison OS and migrate are u crazy LINUX VS DARWIN
59. papss (unregistered)
Huh? Garbled mess of a comment
75. asseek (Posts: 164; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)
"LINUX VS DARWIN"
and what exactly has Darwin to do with WP8?!!
Darwin OS was made by Apple, Mac OSX and iOS are based on Apple's Darwin, and it has nothing to do with Microsoft's WP8 OS, so don't post crap, enlighten yourself with some informations and then come and post
29. MeoCao (unregistered)
it depends on article, this 1 is about 920 and most people are against Android, pro WP.
similarly in articles about Android people are decidedly pro Android and Google.
in short dissidents are not welcome in PA. And that makes the discussion 1 sided and boring.
107. nwright94 (unregistered)
I said something very similar on a few other articles. They're getting nuts. It's such a hostile comment section now, you can't post a comment without your intelligence being called into question by the android folk. Yes, I know the apple folks were like this but it doesn't make it right for these android people to get so hostile.
25. TROLL_IS_AHA (banned) (Posts: 10; Member since: 11 Jan 2013)
Everything it's closed like iOS and messy confusing one thing leads to another no dev supports no jailbreak you have no rights of you're phone which you own
95. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3493; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
He's the new version no doubt... Upgraded from 128mb>256mb RAM
500mhz>1ghz crackdragon A$$
And has the lastest version of TROLL OS; 10.99.26...with project cheese.
Got the latest shiz inside his frame...but still is downright laggy!!
96. wendygarett (unregistered)
Lmao for that :D
61. papss (unregistered)
If android was great why do you need to jailbreak it?
87. c1pher (Posts: 9; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
why hate the windows OS. i think it's nice to have more OS to choose. i understand you love android. both android and windows has their own nice feature.