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For Nokia survival is at stake on September 5th: here’s why

0. phoneArena 03 Sep 2012, 06:18 posted on

Nokia and Microsoft are gearing up for probably their most important event in mobile in just two days, on Wednesday, September 5th…

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posted on 03 Sep 2012, 06:26 21

1. 09wbd03516 (banned) (Posts: 140; Member since: 30 May 2012)


In order nokia to survived, you should remove the something poison inside of it, such as Stephen Elop

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 06:39 6

10. MeoCao (unregistered)


I'm very disappointed after seeing the prototypes. Nokia needs a new revolutionary design that sparks the excitement in every1 and not these recycled things.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 06:57 17

21. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


I want you to tell that to apple which recycled a design for 2 years in arow,

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:28 5

25. MeoCao (unregistered)


Yeah, I don't like Apple but I know Apple recycled success. Nokia is recycling failures.

Lumia 900 is a huge flop, an outdated device from the start marketed as a premium 1. The bad image of 900 will be transferred to the new 920.

Nokia must break with the past (Lumia name, old design..) and bring a revolutionary new lineup.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:15 5

32. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


wp7 didnt passed the expection of users...lumia design it is outstanding not ordinary design and it received good user review

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 09:58 14

45. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


hahahaha funny how you use the word "revolutionary".

As if something truly "revolutionary" came to iphone 4s when it was released. Siri? is that it? A gimmicky feature? Dual-core? oh please. 8-MP camera? Nokia had 12MP camera when iphone only released 5MP. 512 ram? HA-HA.

Iphone 5? What do you think would come and be labeled as "revolutionary"? The new in-cell display technology? OH did apple made that? NO.

If there's a revolutionary companies in the mobile world, i'll give it to four. NOKIA, SAMSUNG, AND LG, and SONY. Oh, did I just mention the original mobile OEMs? yup. I just did.

The only revolutionary thing apple made was releasing a phone with a huge screen way back 2007. After that? pleaasseeee.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 10:04

46. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


Well, that stupid feature garnered even more sales of the iphone.

Whatever it is, people just don't want to buy WP. That's all there is to it. Doesnt' look like anything will change that.

Oh, WP8 will? What, all those millions of people were just waiting for dual core processors :)

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 10:47 8

49. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Funny how you mock WP. ahm, let's just see after a year or two.

What? You're mocking dual core? :)) Hey, here's a news for you. Believe it or not, WP don't really need a multi-core CPU. They've just supported it because consumers asked for it.

again, WHAT? Your iPhone will be having a quad-core processor? For what? To support a vintage OS that's lighter than symbian? :)) It doesn't even need a dual-core processor.

Talk about people not wanting to buy WP. Hey, did you just missed the news? WP is in continuous growth. Oh, wait, where's iOS? There, slowly declining and vanishing together with the years..

Oh well, many people would still be hyped to buy iPhone, because of it stands out as a status symbol, at least in emerging markets.

But people like us(tech obsessive), if you're one of us, will be knowledgeable enough to know what to choose. :)

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 11:55 6

53. Ueliton (Posts: 34; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)


Well said!

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:10

62. joey_sfb (Posts: 6003; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Time will tell whether Nokia will survive and do well in the market.

For me its a tragic if Nokia, the true innovator of cell phone should fail.

I would not have switch brand if Elop did not make that burning platform announcement. I might even stick around to try their wp phone instead i trade in my nokia C7 for a motorola milestone 2 that same week.

Why? I felt betrayed and vowed i will never buy a WP phone.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:21

64. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


true.. well said!! iPhone is for "Status Symbol" while android and Windows Phone and even BlackBerry are for multitasker!!! even symbian is better than iOS when in terms of multitasking and user-friendly OS ( i got lost navigating on an iPhone many times 5 times i guess.. im even an iPhone fan)

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 22:42

66. sakib.ahsan (Posts: 7; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)


I agree with you buddy. The problem is there isn't a lot of people like us (tech obsessive). I really want WP8 to succeed. And Microsoft has the ecosystem (skydrive, hotmail and even bing) to do it. If nothing it will encourage ios and android to be even better then they are.

posted on 04 Sep 2012, 18:22

71. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


"What? You're mocking dual core? :)) Hey, here's a news for you. Believe it or not, WP don't really need a multi-core CPU. They've just supported it because consumers asked for it. "

No, I'm saying it will change nothing. No one asked for it but the nerds, and they already bought the SG3.

Oh wait, even my parents without any help whatsoever bought it as well instead of the iphone or windows phone.

"Talk about people not wanting to buy WP. Hey, did you just missed the news? WP is in continuous growth. Oh, wait, where's iOS? There, slowly declining and vanishing together with the years.."

Yeah, from 0 to like 4 million phones this year, *world wide*. Whoopie s**t.

"But people like us(tech obsessive), if you're one of us, will be knowledgeable enough to know what to choose. :)"

Yes, and for me, Android. Seeing how Google is the least evil of apple and MS helps as well.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 15:45

57. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


well u should not buy it stay with apple or android wht whtever u like this is ur brain in the BOX that dont think out sides grid of icons

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 10:52 1

50. moroninc (Posts: 193; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)


Apple had huge success marketing its brand as a premium product, minimalist design was a big in 2007. now that Apple has started suing every tom d**k and harry that makes a smartphone.. not very good for their image and their lack of innovation was exposed as it sends our the wrong msg to the buyer.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:20

63. MeoCao (unregistered)


PureView is revolutionary, bring it on but not with 8MP, 20 MP is the minimum.

Siri is a toy and it felt exciting at first, if Nokia has something similar it will help the new phone sales.

Don't try to link your new phone with failures, use the refreshingly new design that makes people awe.

The fanboys' support will not save Nokia them if they fail to do these things.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 21:33 1

65. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


yeah.. i think pureview with 8MP is cheating.. i hope the rumored 21MP is true.. if they just put 8MP Pureview i think they should just put N8 Sensor to it.. atleast its 12MP and still one of the best cameraphone till now!

i think Microsoft should buy that NINA voice assistant... and put it to WP8.. its par to siri and google now! they need to have a voice assistant now coz if they dont have one, they still lag behind android and iOS... even Blackberry is making its own voice assistant for BB10!!

TellMe Sucks...and its not even use by people!!

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 23:52

67. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Yup, you got that right this time.

"Siri is a toy". So, is that it? A toy? I'll buy a phone that's not just for gimmicks.

I agree with you, a 8mp pseudo PV won't give a big boom in the market. Even me, a nokia fan, won't buy such thing for it's irrelevant to buy one. My n8's 12 MP satisfy me.

What? who says that i'm linking new phones with failures? What are you talking about. You're the one linking it. What just happened? You forgot what you commented? :O

I'm satisfied with nokia's designs. They're the best in terms of phone designs. Next is sony, then htc, followed by LG.

If you're getting sick with nokia's design, why aren't you getting sick with apple's? In terms of designs, how can you differentiate iphone 4 with 4s? The only innovation in the design that will come to iphone 5 is the screen size. Nothing more, nothing less.

posted on 04 Sep 2012, 03:02

69. verty (Posts: 122; Member since: 07 May 2012)


Well said. Boring apple

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:07 1

31. Jonathan41 (Posts: 532; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)


Design is fine, all Nokia needs is a more powerful flagship and more apps.. In addition Microsoft should take more advantage Xbox live mobile. How about some exclusive Orignal Xbox games for WP? I think that would sale some phones but, the hardware needs to be powerful to handle cool stuff that would attract new customers who are going with other devices. Hopefully the Lumia 920 can deliver or at least hold Nokia over until something does.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:16

33. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


u seen the samsung specs of ATIV well nokia wont have issues with those heavy specs

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 06:40 1

11. kunyuk (Posts: 56; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


And wp.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 06:41

13. 09wbd03516 (banned) (Posts: 140; Member since: 30 May 2012)


wp is fine but make more os would be better

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:25 2

23. Mittal (Posts: 493; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


The rate at which Nokia is losing cash seems much greater than what it is expected to earn. This is presuming Windows Phone's market share might still increase but at snail's pace. What will it be? 4.5% next year?
iPhone and Android tasted success really rapidly bcoz they had something different and desirable to offer.
WP offers simplicity and elegance perhaps, but nothing groundbreaking in terms of features....

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:50 1

28. dr_fajardo12 (Posts: 118; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


geek's consumers are like 5% of the market, nokia needs a cellphone that earns girls, moms, kids hearths. nokia needs a beutifull designs, good camera, good games and nice looking UI.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 09:40

43. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)


maybe geeks are 5% but this geeks have children moms wifes aunts and so on and from 5% it can grow to 50% influence on the market

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:00 6

30. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The problem with staking your fortune to MS is that you become dependent on MS for your survival. WP was a work-in-progress compared to Android through WP7.8. Only iDevice fans will accept an OS that is dated before the handset ships.

The problem for Nokia this time around is that the Lumia handsets with WP8 on them won't be able to sell until WP starts to ship, which is when - late October, 2012? Meanwhile, the iPhone 5 (or whatever Apple is going to call it) will have been selling for a month (September 21 is supposed to be the ship date).

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 06:28 7

2. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2283; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


Lets hope so..cause samsung's w8 phone. Is looking very sharp..... although I want too see, what's all this "pureview" about :)

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 06:30 6

3. snowgator (Posts: 3600; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Is there a point we stop rehashing the obvious? Yes, Nokia has nose dived. Yes Nokia is all in on an as yet unproven OS worldwide. Yes, WP 8 is the end game for Nokia. They were pointing to WP 8 even before they released their WP 7 devices.

No one on Phone Arena doesn't know this, unless you registered recently or are waiting on thee braille version of the web site. There is still the Nokia name, worlwide distrubution, and Microsoft's backing going for it. The first Lumina devices were very well received. Nokia will survive if these devices launch well, they continue to grow in China, they convert even half of their fan base, and they follow up in 2013 with other devices that give a little flair and fun.

At this point it is just seeming to be cheap thrill writing. If Nokia fails, then that is news. If they succeed, that will be better news. This story no longer news.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 06:32 5

6. snowgator (Posts: 3600; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Dang it...

*the braille version*

*Lumia*, not Lumina.

PA, Why can't we edit our posts? You guys can edit your articles. No fair.

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