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Florida sheriff says he would put Tim Cook in jail if Apple were to refuse to open an iPhone for him

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Florida sheriff says he would put Tim Cook in jail if Apple were to refuse to open an iPhone for him
Apple CEO Tim Cook best not be traveling anywhere near Polk County, Florida. Located in the center of the Sunshine State, the county is home to vacation spots like Lego Land. It also is the home of Sheriff Grady Judd. The sheriff told the media during a press conference last week that if his office needs an iPhone unlocked and Apple refuses, he would not hesitate to jail Apple's chief executive.

Judd, who was asked his opinion about Apple's refusal to comply with a court order to unlock the Apple iPhone 5c belonging to terrorist Syed Farook, said, "The CEO of Apple needs to know he's not above the law, and neither is anybody else in the United States." Judd was holding a press conference related to the arrest of three brothers named Johnson, who along with a friend, were accused of murdering an alleged drug dealer. The Johnson brothers used their phones to take pictures of the dead body and showed it to other people while bragging about the shooting.

"You cannot create a business model to go, 'We're not paying attention to the federal judge or the state judge. You see, we're above the law.' The CEO of Apple needs to know he's not above the law, and neither is anybody else in the United States."-Sheriff Grady Judd

The suspects did turn their passcodes over to authorities so that law enforcement could get their hands on the incriminating photos. None of the handsets involved was an iPhone.



source: FOX13 via CNET

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posted on 13 Mar 2016, 15:53 25

1. aikoo (Posts: 86; Member since: 27 Feb 2016)


Put Tim Cook in jail? Tim Cook could buy Sheriff Judd's life on a discount.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:15 30

14. NexusWinner (Posts: 2; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)


I bet the Sheriff doesn't even truly understand the case at hand.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 17:16 8

23. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8939; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


He does. But not adhering to a court order, any one of us would be in jail and it shouldn't be any less for him.

I side with Apple, but by law he should go to jail. If I break a law, even for good reasons, I'm going to kail. It ahold be any less for anyone else.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 17:48 11

28. Finalflash (Posts: 2795; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Well no, because Apple as a corporation is disobeying the law by not caving to their demands which are pretty much outside of the law themselves. So Cook shouldn't go to jail and at most you can fine or take Apple to court.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 18:08 5

33. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8939; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


If I own a business that makes me the CEO. If the court orders me to give something and I dont, I'm going to jail as the owner of the business. Whether I am rich or not. Even if I have enough money to put bail.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:29 15

45. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)


Techie, trust me when I say you have no clue what you're talking about.

You need to take business 101 immediately.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:36 6

48. johnbftl (Posts: 281; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)


I don't think you know what you're talking about. As of right now, Apple is technically in contempt of court. If the judge was smart he'd set a bail, impose in injunction, and issue a gag order on Apple. There is no reason this should have been played out in the media. A competent judge would have issued the gag with the initial order to unlock the phone.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 05:16

86. JumpinJackROMFlash (Posts: 450; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)


Land of the free? LOL! Issue a gag order to prevent justice. Great thinking there Jim-Bob, you inbred hick.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:53 1

50. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


Another keyboard warrior acting like he's sooooo much more advanced than anyone else in real life. Did any of you people actually study what you're talking about? Did anyone actually go to college? Or are you just another arrogant pseudo intellectual on the internet?

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 11:20 1

76. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8939; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Madoff was a business owner. Where is he now? IN JAIL.

Being a CEO doesn't mean you don't or can't go to jail.

You must mean, I need to take Business 101 - Companies who sleep with the local Gov't

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:32 5

46. joey_sfb (Posts: 5428; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Tim Cook don't own Apple. He is just an high ranking employee.

No one one person owns Apple. They can only take action on Apple on a whole not individual.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 22:58 1

67. Ty_inCA (Posts: 18; Member since: 13 Oct 2013)


Tim Cook is the guy who would go to jail, since he represents the company and has the decision making authority, which in this case he is using to illegally refuse compliance with a court order. You can debate the merits of his decision, but rest assured the Sheriff is right that he'd have authority to arrest Cook if this story involved his jurisdiction.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 11:39 1

78. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8939; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


No duh. I know he doesn't own the company. However the FEds are coming to him as the lead person. He is the Cheif Executive Officer. If the Feds come to you and say give us something, with a court order or a warrant, and you dont comply you wold be jailed. Just because he runs a company doesn't mean he is above the law.

I never said I wanted him to go to jail because I understand fully what Apple is standing against and it si why other tech companies are too.

I personally dont care what Apple reasons are. My opinion is, the Gov't is asking for something they shouldn't have because they cant be trusted to have it. I trust no one who has power over me even when they claim their move is for the good of all.

The US Gov't created their own enemies. If the US Gov't would mind its own damn business, and stop trying to tell the rest of the world how to run their own lives, they woudlnt have any enemies.

Also all these guys, who cares if they are Muslims. Its a religions. Do you think other countries tech their citizens that Christians who come and war with them are all terrorists? No! Yet Christians have killed more people than any other religious faiths on the planet. READ YOUR HISTORY. What faith was the people who came to North America? They were all Christians. What did they do? They killed nearly all Natural Indians and a bunch of Hispanics too and forced the ones who did die back to Mexico where they could.

I stand with Apple on this issue because if Apple was forced to make such a technology for the Feds, they woudl use it to hurt others. We've seen this with every technical invention ever made. Why woudl this be any different?

Its not about privacy for me. When you use these products, you already give up a certain amount of privacy. The issue here is simple. Its about any one entity having to much power that they don't deserve.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 01:07 2

72. omar98 (Posts: 56; Member since: 28 Aug 2011)


If you actually studied business you would know that a company like apple has a seperate legal identity so no employee goes to jail unless they themselves commit a crime

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:06 19

41. another1 (Posts: 157; Member since: 25 Dec 2015)


Techie, no matter what, you always will be against Apple.

Everyone on PA gets it. But, do you even know what's going on with this case? Do you realize if this case doesn't rule in Apple's favor, everyone's privacy can potentially be violated?

Do everyone a favor and take your Apple hatred and idiotic rambling somewhere else.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:19 11

43. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)


Owned techie....not too many people like him on here. he's incredibly annoying.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 21:56

63. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


Stop these arguments, what's the point?

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 21:56

64. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


Stop these arguments, what's the point?

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 11:31 1

77. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8939; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


I don't know what's going on with this case? Really?

I mentioned many times I side with Apple on the issue. However, if a court orders you to do something and you fail to adhere to the order, YOU will go to jail.

Just because you are a CEO doesn't mean you can't go to jail.
If the Feds decided to lock Tim Cook up, they would ahve a right too under law. A court order doesn't change.

The problem here YOU ignorat puss is simple. These CEO and movie stars all get special treatment and are allowed to break the law when the rest of us aren't.

That sets a wrong precedent that these corps and their bosses are allowed to break laws even when its there own Governement.

Now that i retorted i'm donT with you because you're as dumb as a box of rocks. The law has nothign to do with Apple.

I expressly stated, if the court orders any US Citizen to do something and you don't you will go to jail. After all what did the the people vote just 8 years ago? They voted that Corporations are people too. So when "people" don't obey a law they should go to jail.

Obviously I know more about law than you do.

Mitt Romney said, "Corporations are people, my friend" When people are ordered by a court to do somethign and they don't...THEY GO TO JAIL.

I never said I "wanted" Tim Cook to go to jail. I said under law he is suppose too.

You're such a fool.

Also, no I don't love Apple. In fact I don't love any Corporations. They are all greedy bastards who care about money more than you. Though many do good things for us, most don't.

Apple, Samsung or Microsoft has never done anything for me. If they offer something I like I will buy it and if they don't I wont. They don't owe me anything and nor do I owe them anything.

I see them all equally as evil and greedy and self serving. There is no one corp who you can show to be otherwise.

After all look at the Healthcare Industry. all they care about is profit, not really helping people. Their sole purpose isnt to cure, but to help you live with your problem so they can sell you stuff until you die. Because how does a drug dealer make money? They make money on keeping you coming back. If they cured you they'd all go broke. That si why they once rejected anyone with a preexisting condition. Because if you treat everyone equal, that means spending money and less profits. This is why some industries shouldn't be privatized, because money and competition is more important. All these corps could care less if you live or die, so why does your stupid ass place them so high on your list of love?

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 17:56 3

29. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3271; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


i know you dont understand it

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:18 6

42. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)


lol says the loser with a selfie.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:34 2

47. Unordinary (Posts: 1285; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)


Says the one with out a selfie.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 19:43 5

49. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)


damn right I don't have a selfie.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:17 9

17. SuperMaoriBro (Posts: 523; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)


sheriff: "I want you to do something that is impossible, but if you don't do it I will put you in jail"

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:39 12

21. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


Well, technicaly, the backdoor into iOS encryption security isn't imposible to create, but it doesn't exist yet (as per Tim Cook).

That Sheriff can't force Tim to give him want does not exist, even if Tim has an idea on how to create it!

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 18:24

37. ThePython (Posts: 879; Member since: 08 May 2013)


Perfect comment regarding the situation. +1

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 23:05 1

68. Ty_inCA (Posts: 18; Member since: 13 Oct 2013)


The Sheriff can't, but a judge can. The Sheriff can request a judge sign a search warrant, which would force Apple to unlock a phone and comply with any other terms without undue delay. He could certainly also request an arrest warrant for Cook if Cook refused to comply with the search warrant.

Cook's role as the wealthy CEO of a powerful company does not make him above the law. In cases of tech companies refusing to obey a search warrant (which happens regularly), the CEO if generally the guy who is given a court date for failure to comply.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 10:02

74. gersont1000 (Posts: 299; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


He might ask for a search warrant, basically asking for Apple to give them a key to open the phone. BUT, it won't do any good because Apple does not have the key. The key is stored within the phone, and only the owner has access to the key. So if they actually try to then request an arrest warrant for Apple not providing the key, it wouldn't hold up because they are not able to do so unless they fabricate an entirely new OS that lets you bypass the key. Apple and no other company should be able to be forced into CREATING something.

I really can't believe how stupid Americans have become, that they feel like the government can have absolute power over them. I'm also guessing that any software security company should just go out of business, because the government can just force them to create back doors, rendering the company's product worthless, and all just because they have the power (according to Americans with no clue).

posted on 15 Mar 2016, 00:45

83. roscuthiii (Posts: 2207; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


The San Bernardino Department of Health is the established "owner" of the phone. It's a company phone. They can ask that they be allowed to regain entry to their device.

Americans may be stupid, but at least gather all the facts.

posted on 16 Mar 2016, 07:43

88. gersont1000 (Posts: 299; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


I KNOW that the SBDOH owns the phone. Technically they own the "key", but they lost it (or the "terrorist" changed the "lock") and Apple does not have a backup of people's "keys". And sorry to tell you but Americans don't really gather all the facts, they just follow what the media wants them to believe (and no, I'm not some foreigner criticizing Americans, I'm one myself).

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 10:22

75. vijaysivakula (Posts: 224; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)


A search warrant to search what? The offices of Apple?

Adding my two bits to the nonsense around the world, Apple should actually sue the officers who shot the terrorists without taking their passwords first. They should have asked the terrorists if they have any data on their mobiles, checked the passwords and then shot them. That would have been a more logical sequence of events. Right?

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 15:56 2

2. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


LMAO, LMAOOOO.
Great post over there, had a laugh!

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 15:58 6

4. Augustine (Posts: 1043; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


This is the mark of a banana republic, when authority cannot be questioned. This is why we the people don't trust them pigs anynmore...

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 23:08 2

69. Ty_inCA (Posts: 18; Member since: 13 Oct 2013)


Another mark of a banana republic is when rich and powerful oligarchs with dubious national loyalty are able to use their positions to effectively exempt themselves from the law.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 15:59 12

5. jellmoo (Posts: 1525; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


Random Sheriff says something about an incident that doesn't involve him. News at 11.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 17:59 5

30. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3271; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


guess you didnt get the message if you do a crime and use the phone to document or distribute and a court order is given to unlock the phone for evidence, then you unlock it and comply legally you have to comply or jail time. ceo is head of company and is responsible for not ordering his tech team to unlock and give the data, so he goes to jail.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 18:34 3

38. jellmoo (Posts: 1525; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


I'm guessing that you didn't get the message that this is a sheriff for a random county in Florida, and has less than nothing to do with the entire situation.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 11:40

79. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8939; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Its not the point. The law is still the law. If you are to blind to see that, then you're stupid.

But I don't pity purposeful stupidity.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 20:09 2

52. izim1 (Posts: 446; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


That's.. that's not what's happening.. care to try again? I'll let you use Google before you post this time.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:00 4

6. Pattyface (Posts: 1524; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


Right.. This guy just wants attention

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:08 4

9. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


And the guy thinks getting that attention he seeks might be of an asset for his another-term nomination.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:05 1

7. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 468; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)


Dumbest mess I have heard in sometime! Living down in that area, I assure you, he's starved for attention.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:07 1

8. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2240; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


Well this sheriff shouldn't be sheriff, he won't win the next election lol.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:09 6

10. darkkjedii (Posts: 20087; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I wonder what phones were these brothers Johnson using. Grady Judd from Polk County Florida...dudes name alone sounds like he's a Grand Dragon in the Klan.

Probably has beef with Cook, cause he's gay...oh well.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 18:00 5

31. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3271; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


wow racist much

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 18:14 1

36. darkkjedii (Posts: 20087; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I've nothing to discuss with a stupid idiot like you. Avoid my posts much!!!

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 20:18 1

55. Crispin_Gatieza (Posts: 1615; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)


Polk County, Fl. is Lakeland, Fl. Yes, they are a bunch of racist cow turds there. That Sheriff is simply pandering to his low information voters. Apple is a corporation and as such, Tim Cook cannot be prosecuted as an individual. If it were a sole proprietorship, Sheriff Billy Bob would have recourse. He must be related to that other idiot from Arizona, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. They probably share the same sister/mother.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 18:08 2

32. joeytaylor (Posts: 420; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


It's a possibility..... but I don't think it's completely fair to judge someone's motives without knowing them and or their actions .....just saying

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 18:13

35. darkkjedii (Posts: 20087; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Who says I'm judging? I used "sounds like", and "probably". It's hypothetical.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 20:08 2

51. joeytaylor (Posts: 420; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


But in a way insinuating

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 20:09

53. joeytaylor (Posts: 420; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


I personally think the sheriff in this instance is a jackass

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 21:45

61. Adreno (banned) (Posts: 755; Member since: 12 Mar 2016)


That Sheriff just wants some hype around him.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 11:45

80. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8939; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


No...youre just stupid. All he is saying is we have laws in this country and no one should be allowed to break them.

The US Gov't has a court ordered demand for Apple to do something. By law Tim Cook directly is being asked to have his company make something. he isnt complying so by law he should go to jail.
I'm not saying Tim Cook isnt right for standing up for what he thinks is right. BECAUSE HE IS RIGHT.

But guy what. If I was a homeless man and I steal food because I can't get a job, even though the Judge understands by circumstances, I am still going to jail for breaking the law. The law is the law and no one should be above the law, even if their reason is right.

PERIOD.

Until you glossy-eye ignorant fans understand that is all people are saying, they aren't looking for attention, the sooner you get it.

Just because you are a CEO of a company or a Celebrity, you aren't suppose to be above the law.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 13:52

81. greyarea (Posts: 173; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)


For someone who's understanding of the situation seems to go as far as, 'Law is the law, is the law' you sure call people stupid a lot.

No matter how much you or I dislike it, the law is applied very different to a corporation than it is to a homeless man. You're going to have a hard time understanding this situation if you're limiting yourself to such a simple comparison. But on the bright side your qualified to be a sheriff, especially with all that name calling.

posted on 14 Mar 2016, 00:13

70. RoboticEngi (Posts: 604; Member since: 03 Dec 2014)


Wauw talking about being racist.....

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:13 1

11. Furbal (Posts: 944; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


Course he would, authoritarian idiot.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:13 2

12. lyndon420 (Posts: 3991; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Looks like grandstanding to me.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:17 1

16. Plasticsh1t (Posts: 265; Member since: 01 Sep 2014)


Daily dose of attention seeking.

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:29 1

20. vliang86 (Posts: 157; Member since: 05 Oct 2015)


I would put him in Jail for advertising himself!

posted on 13 Mar 2016, 16:57

22. cncrim (Posts: 805; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


I dont think this guy want to be a sheriff anymore, the coming election could be his last.

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