Fifth-generation Apple iPad expected to launch in March, stealing its looks from the Apple iPad mini
0. phoneArena 24 Dec 2012, 00:40 posted on
5 months after the launch of the 4th generation Apple iPad, we could be seeing the 5th generation Apple iPad cpme to market with a thinner, lighter form factor that will steal liberally from the Apple iPad mini; also on tap for Apple is a second-generation Apple iPad mini which ios expected to have a higher resolution screen and the Apple 6X processor...
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3. Qbancelli (Posts: 75; Member since: 11 Mar 2010)
They better. They're losing the tablets war to Android.
14. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
iPads are still superior to tablets. Performance difference is visible to naked eye. Though Apple has lost some ground, Android still has to do a lot to make it tablet optimized. Once that happens, I believe Apple will have the same fate as they are having in smartphones segment.
17. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
It's not so much performance as it is the apps. Hardly any apps are made for tablets in Android, and a lot of them are just blown up to match the bigger display and look weird. As Android tablets get more popular though, developer support will rise and Android will be on top of iOS in tablets like it is in smartphones. Then Google will have to fight Windows in tablet share, because I imagine Windows is going to be a hit in tablets.
27. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
Yes, ecosystem is another thing. I saw a test using fish (but test results were not fishy :P). Browser on Android failed miserably. My heart bled to see that. But since, I don't want to mid guide readers, I try to comment right things. Also, frame rates in gaming are better for iPad. Most of the issues in tablets for android is development related, but google also has to do its bit to some extent. I like what they did with Nexus 10.
34. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I hear a lot about Chrome being absolutely horrible on Android phones/tablets, but I don't have any problems at all, it's actually a lot smoother than my stock browser. Is it a Nexus only problem, or what? Either way, it can be fixed with an update; Google is probably working on it right now.
I wouldn't doubt that frame rates are better on the iPad, considering the Nexus 10 has a higher res screen and isn't fully optimized like iOS is. Once again, it'll all get fixed in a future update (4.2.2-4.2.3). But, Google should have had most of these bugs worked out in the first place. They need to slow it down with the major updates.
37. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
Chrome works fine on my android phone. Its actually my default browser. And I like how it syncs everything with my PC. But it was in a test. I was impressed how well iPad works under stress. May be a regular user won't put browser under that stress. But I do.
75. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The only time I see lag on my GS2 in Chrome is when I have 6 or 7 tabs open along with a few apps in the background. That's with a Snapdragon S3 and 1 GB of RAM, so the new Nexus devices should be able to handle much more than that. I think it's just software that's the problem, and it'll be fixed in a few months.
15. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
They aren't losing, Android is catching up in tablets. Last time I checked, the tablet market share was 50% for iOS in Q3. Samsung in a distant second with 18%. Though, all Android tablets together is about even with Apple.
I expect Windows to be popular in tablets though, and MS will get a nice chunk of the tablet market.
5. meloth1991 (Posts: 37; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)
I am a hardcore android fan....but when it comes to tablets I love iPad ...just love the premium build quality!! Can't make up my mind between iPad mini and nexus 7 :/
8. kirholstov (Posts: 144; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
I'd choose iPad mini, but you can wait for iPad mini 2, which will be 2x faster and will have retina screen.
10. tmcr7 (Posts: 180; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
Nexus 7. iPad Mini is for iDiots willing to pay more for anything with an Apple logo on it. I mean, this junk is 2011 surplus hardware being sold as "premium"
64. Droiddoes (unregistered)
SHHH don't let them in on that! It's nice being able to instantly recognize someone as a moron.
68. Commentator (Posts: 3665; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Yeah, because instantly labelling someone as a moron because of a single product they own is so SMART! I'd hate to ever mistake YOU as a moron, because you're clearly such a nice, open-minded, caring person who will go very far in life with that attitude.
16. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
In 7 inch segment, Nexus. In 10 inchers, iPad. iPad mini's screen is disappointing. For me, something that I look at constantly, is a deal breaker.
70. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
iSuggest you wait for the iPad Mini 10. That's the time it'll get significant upgrades compared from the older version, judging how they do it on the iPad. While waiting for the iPad Mini 10, choose whatever Android has to offer for now. :)
7. Peter98 (Posts: 119; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
iFans respond here: it's not good shorten the cycle.
We love Apple becuz we love what they give the value of.
But releasing more model is still acceptable like what they did to iPad mini.
People will try for a cheaper one and compete with others meanwhile gaining market share.
9. kirholstov (Posts: 144; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
Apple needs something really innovative and new in their devices, but I'm pleased with my Apple products.
11. tiara6918 (Posts: 2019; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Many customers might not like that new product cycle of apple. After 6 months of your brand new iPad4 it will immediately be replaced with iPad5 and that can really make you disappointed as you're already holding an outdated device for such a short period of time
19. cripton805 (Posts: 1421; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Not only that, most people don't buy products on the first day. They sometimes wait a couple months or decide to buy a product during it's life cycle. So, you might buy it on the 4th month just to realize its getting replaced two months later. I'd also imagine quality control will be a lot tougher. A product with a shelf life of a couple months, won't show all of the problems withing that time period. So, that 6 month batch can be a crappy batch. This can be for any product.
65. Droiddoes (unregistered)
LOL yeah. And iDrone mentality is they "have" to have the "newest" and "best" novelty that apple puts out. Heaven forbid should the neighbors/coworkers/strangers find out they have outdated apple "tech"!
12. tmcr7 (Posts: 180; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
Why pay more money for a gadget with obsolete hardware which is only good for 6 months? You can buy more capable devices for half the price.
18. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
Because in tablets, iPads do perform better, even with outdated hardware. For tablets, Android needs a better tablet optimized version, which is not the case for now. Its not even as good as surface to be honest. I own Nexus 10 and note 2. I don't intend to switch. But specs don't speak the true story. However, the case is other way round in smartphones. Android is superior.
21. cripton805 (Posts: 1421; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
It would really depend what you're using it for. To say it's better due to specs or hardware are better is pretty vague. There's a lot more that comes to play to make something better. The Sega Dreamcast was the most advanced console for it's time by far and we all know how that failed.
23. gallison1983 (Posts: 47; Member since: 19 Dec 2012)
They serve different purposes. Despite having many of the same apps, you can't say that a person will use a device the same way every time regardless of make. These are tools. Fighting over specs, features or business practices trivializes mobile devices down to toys that all try to play Angry Birds and post on Facebook.
20. gallison1983 (Posts: 47; Member since: 19 Dec 2012)
Android devices are typically outclassed every quarter. Screens get bigger, more RAM added, more cores, more battery.
22. redmd (Posts: 1239; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
so people would buy Apple products twice a year.
24. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
dang Apple, we don't want you to pump em' out THAT quick! o.O
you're about to pull some old Android Manufacturer BS on us here...
30. chethan316 (Posts: 28; Member since: 07 Nov 2010)
I have to say, the display of the iPad Mini is what's making me hold back. And that A5 chip inside. isn't doing wonders for the tablet either.
33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, it's so well made that when you pick it up you want to like it but the reality is you're holding a smaller iPad 2 which crosses it off of any recommendation list of mine.
71. Commentator (Posts: 3665; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
It is fantastically built, possibly the best-feeling device I've ever held, and it looks gorgeous in black. If I have the money, I'll definitely consider picking one up when it gets a retina display and a better processor
35. erdpov (Posts: 67; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
I can't imagine what Apple can do to survive.
38. GUNDAM (Posts: 63; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
wow apple's release cycle is getting really horrid it hasn't even been a month since the 4th gen ipad was released -_-
42. drnggaj33 (Posts: 127; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)
all the customer that apple has the ppl are starting to see that theyre getting played now .alot of ppl arent gonna pay the samething twice anymore .like i always said apple a 1yr half behide in ios and hardwear ...even tho theres alot of andriod phones the best ones have the best hardwear and softwear ...my sam nexus is still better then the ip5 and my phone is a yr old my wife sam s3 s**t on my phone and all the iphones
44. Fd_mufc (Posts: 1; Member since: 24 Dec 2012)
5 months after launch of the 4th generation iPad ? 5 months ? so according to PhoneArena there are 3 months difference between OCTOBER AND DECEMBER. Anyway should I buy the iPad 4 or wait till march ?
45. Aeires (unregistered)
This happens when a supply guru is put in charge of a company, all they think about is how many units have been moved. Steve knew yearly updates were better because it made the products more exclusive. If they start releasing devices every six months, long term value drops and the buzz of waiting for new products diminishes. It also gives you less time to develop new features and options.
66. tedkord (Posts: 10234; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
But Tim knows that if you release yearly or longer, you continue to fall behind the competition in features and power, and are seen as stale. Apple have no real choice but to pick up the pace, now that WP is out, adding a third viable option for consumers.
82. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The only thing that's stale about Apple is their designs (to an extent) and their software. If Apple did something great with iOS, maybe a slight hardware design change as well, I'm sure people wouldn't mind yearly releases
84. Aeires (unregistered)
The only reason they fall behind is because of the spoon feeding mentality that they shell out to their customers. Apple could easily release far more robust iterations of their hardware and software but choose to release only incrementally small iterations because it makes it easier to upgrade that way. As long as people continue to purchase their products, nothing will change. If they continue to lose market share, they'll be forced to change their strategies.
101. tedkord (Posts: 10234; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
What do you think has been happening? The newest iPhone for sale two months after release for $127? Product cycles shortened? A larger screen? The previous two generations of iPhone sold for $99 and $0.99?
Android passed iOS in market share years ago, and every year since has widened the lead. Each of these moves was due to Androids market share.
And, while apple could spoonfeed more each time, even with a 6 month release cycle, they cannot keep up with Android innovation with constant new releases. Its Mac vs. pc all over again.
52. fistigons (Posts: 329; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
Not sure if the "launch every 6 months" is going to help or hurt Apple.
63. tedkord (Posts: 10234; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
It will hurt the faithful's argument (one of the few left) against android, that there's no point to buying an Android phone because there's always a better one coming out.
76. sudbury78 (Posts: 130; Member since: 12 Jul 2012)
You people are dreaming. As a note 2 user as well as an iPad user, no android tablet has a chance of competing with an iPad. Not happening.
80. nicholassss (Posts: 368; Member since: 10 May 2012)
Technically they can but lets be real as far as sales go itll still be a couple years before someone else can get to that level.
78. nicholassss (Posts: 368; Member since: 10 May 2012)
I hope it has a tiny bezel. I hope it looks like a really big ipad mini.
87. belovedson (Posts: 978; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
fu apple. i wish i could slam the ipad 3 and still recoup the money i spend into it.
89. motty (Posts: 84; Member since: 13 Dec 2012)
We dont need a new device, we need new IOS, more innovation for IOS.
96. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Jeeze see Apple DOESN'T know how to make something good than their previous model. they just keep the same bezel shape and add the RETINA display. And people still can't tell the difference what's the difference befween the Ipad 3 & ipad 4
98. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)
I'm all for a more frequent release...not that I can afford to get the next best thing but it gives me more options to choose from. Apple's mobile products sell so well, more so, b/c of familiarity. 95% of America is familiar w/the original iPod which was pretty revolutionary so naturally people want to investigate the next product w/an "i" in front of it. The iPod is the foundation of Apple's continued success. Apple never does any major updates b/c their victory lies in keeping their products consistent to the original format with enhancements & that model has been working for them despite to flack they catch for it. People like the familiar so they come back for more...not b/c they are idiots. Vizio may offer a tv w/more features at a cheaper cost but b/c I'm more familiar w/Samsung even though they are priced higher I'd rather buy a Samsung tv (that & Samsung makes the sexiest LED's out there). It's the same concept.
99. BigBoss10 (Posts: 264; Member since: 31 Aug 2012)
Why Apple always make the same i S h i t....
100. MAXXtreme007 (Posts: 22; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
Okay, I know most of us have already made an opinion (albeit a very strong opinion for most of us commenting here), but I must say I am ashamed of both the Android fans and iOS this time... I personally am an avid Android enthusiast with a SGS3 and am loving it, and I personally really love the openness of the Android community. But that doesn't mean I start cussing and chewing people out just because they like iOS! My cousin was a die hard Android fan too but when he got to college, he wanted simple and something that he didn't have to mess around with in any way shape or form, and so he likes iOS. And when anyone is honest, there is a little bit of benefit to either platform (although the openness of Android allows for much more freedom). So I respect everyone's personal opinions about their phones - everyone for the most part has already made up their mind on what they like and don't like. That is the awesome benefit of having the freedom and choice!! I don't like Apple's policies for handling issues at all, but despite that, it would not be good for the consumer if either or anyone gets cut out of the picture. Competition is what has been and will continue to drive products! Choice is indeed a very good thing - a thing that most of us in 1st world countries forget. So please, just respect one another's opinion and move on.
Oh and Merry Christmas to all! :)
104. Djthunderballs (Posts: 16; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
This thread is hilarious. I work for one of the big two, I sell Apple products 6 to 1. As a general question, why do you suppose that is? Here's a hint: they usually upgrade from existing Apple products... One more point ill add, most issues I receive are from the Android OS. This is a general fact, not an opinion, just my daily work observations.
106. willard12 (Posts: 1528; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
As a general fact, android outsells apple 3 to 2. If people are having OS issues with android it's probably because your company completely controls the OS updates and fails to do them. Most issues you deal with are android issues because loyal apple customers never return their products because " they're holding it wrong" or "the purple tint is supposed to be there." Why else do you not deal with issues from apple customers, hint: they usually fix whatever issues they have by upgrading to the next one. Considering 70% of the hardware for an Apple product is supplied by Samsung, you may want to write a letter to S. Korea thanking them for making your job easier.
107. Djthunderballs (Posts: 16; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Ok, I know which side you're rooting for if that's the point you were making? I think people like Apple from a sales stand point because it has the least amount of issues due to the light operating system. You going to argue with me about that fact? I've owned Apple and Androids for the past 3 years so I'm from a non-biased stand point :) 2013 will tell if Apple can step it up in competing with such a broader OS for sure.
110. willard12 (Posts: 1528; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Yes, I'll argue with you about that "fact."
108. Djthunderballs (Posts: 16; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
FYI, my company updates it's Androids as fast or faster than the smaller carriers that give those "lower end" phones a bad rep in the Android department.
109. Djthunderballs (Posts: 16; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
You are correct, Android sells more cause of the MANY manufacturers making different versions of Android... That's like saying there are more Windows XP computers around than MacBooks.
112. phonemonkey (Posts: 168; Member since: 13 Feb 2012)
FLAME THEM ANDROID FANS FLAME THEM HARDDDDD