Federal Judge rules against Apple as HTC's patents will stand
0. phoneArena 08 Sep 2012, 13:51 posted on
Apple asked a Federal Judge to rule that patents being used by HTC in a patent suit against the Cupertino tech giant were invalid because HTC purchased them from a third party to use agressively; the judge ruled in favor of Taiwan based HTC...
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61. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
Jess, sorry to say it but your hypocrisy astounds me.
The courts ARE stupid. They thought apple's patents were valid.
Make a phone without pinch to zoom (jellybean doesn't infringe btw) and show me how it sells. Apple is being a d**k and deserve to be sued.
Lte isn't a standard, apple worked without it for 5 years, and knowing their customers, the sheep will still eat it up nonetheless.
Hypocritical post is hypocritical.
Apple is being anti -competitive.
73. JessJess (unregistered)
I don't see the relevance. Though I know it was silly to jump into the barrage of ego stroking comments.
I never said Apples patents were or were not anti-competitive. I was saying that what darac described WOULD BE without question.
64. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Courts can be stupid at times. Also, would you like to buy a phone without pinch to zoom? That's a standard web-browsing ability. Sometimes, double tap to zoom just doesn't cut it.
Also, LTE isn't standard, Apple has been without it for a while now. Their first LTE enabled device was released just this year. The 4S sold just fine without it, I'm sure they can release the new iPhone without LTE and will still get (maybe almost) record breaking sales, though that doesn't mean they should.
76. JessJess (unregistered)
Are you kidding? Yeah phones can work on 2G too...
81. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Exactly my point.
"Phones can work without "pinch to zoom" or "rounded corners" or whatever you want to joke about, but a standard for wireless communication?"
Phones can work without LTE, but does that mean they should? Double standards.
82. JessJess (unregistered)
How does "pinch to zoom" compare to a wireless network standard that is being rolled out globally? Sounds pretty standard to me. It does not require infrastructure to use "pinch to zoom".
I am sorry I just do not get it. But I will concede, I do not have the will or inclination to go on arguing over it. Was just adding my 2c like everyone else.
85. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Because pinch to zoom is kind of a universal thing through handsets, and is only a natural improvment, just like LTE.
We could have stuck to double tap to zoom, but pinch to zoom just works better.
We could have stuck to 3G, but LTE just works better.
Similar situations, different fields.
119. darkkjedii (Posts: 21199; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
What would work even better bro, and I'm shocked no one has done it is thumbing to zoom. Think about it pinch to zoom takes two hands thumbing would simply require say a clockwise from bottom to top to zoom in, counterclockwise wise from top top bottom to zoom out. Hence you'd only need one hand. Try it on ur phone and tell me it doesn't make sense. It's like making a couple of c's
134. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I think because it might be confused for just navigating around the page with your thumb. Maybe making a circular motion with your thumb and index finger? That could work. Though I think that may be a gesture for something on Macs... I don't know.
152. darkkjedii (Posts: 21199; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Depends on how the code is written for it. Done rite though don't u think it would b pretty sweet
118. tedkord (Posts: 11619; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
You should really think hard about that question. How does the tech that makes a phone work compare to a gesture with two fingers? Which should be legitimately patentable?
92. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
LTE isn't a cornerstone nor a requirement. It's still a bonus feature, a luxury if you will, such that 3G and 2G are considered standard and thus covered under FRAND
96. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
LTE isn't a cornerstone nor a requirement. It's still a bonus feature, a luxury if you will, whereas 3G and 2G are considered standard and thus covered under FRAND. It may not be fair, but apple failed to invest in LTE early enough to get their own legit patents, so it's their loss. P-to-Z was around before the iphone, as were other commonalities (rounded corners and all that stuff), so patents the apple holds, despite the Samsung v. Apple jury's verdict (though not finalized), are irrelevant
120. Aeires (unregistered)
Phones can work without LTE as well, Apple has been proving that point since 2007.
127. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
To be fair standards for "Navigating" on any touch device shouldn't be allowing any company to be demanding some hefty license fees either. So tap/double tap/pinch/squeeze/zero length swipe/swipe everything of that nature which falls under "Essetntails" for "Navigating" on a touch device should either not allowed to be patented or should come under "FRAND" so that no one can ask for billion dollar damages just because the other side refused to be blackmailed into paying a heft license fees for soemthing which is so essential for all "Touch based" devices.
58. NexusTexan (Posts: 1; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)
I dont care for Apples tablets and phones all that much. love the computers though. Dont care for the new HTC stuff and hate how android has no unity in system updates. You cant sit here and hate on apple for buying patents when the only reason Google bought Moto was for the patents and HTC did it too. And Apple was and is still getting sued around the globe. Apple is no saint but that doesnt put a halo on HTC Sammy or google. Now come with the hate and thumbs down.
63. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
See, the thing is, apple is like hitler. The nazi 's (iShiip) always thought that he was right, but they were wrong.
We get mad when apple sue because they're acting like hitler, and we cheer when they get sued because it's justice.
68. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Not sure anyone is putting halos on anyone. Just saying that Apple shouldn't be suprised that when they sue, they will get sued back.
What comes around, goes around.
83. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Agree with the first statement, I enjoy Apples computers. HTC needs some work, and I'm tired of the lack of updates, so if I do get an Android phone next, it will be an unlocked Nexus.
Though Googles purchase of Motorola was mainly for patents, I'm sure they have something else in mind for the future. I don't remember HTC buying anything just for patents, did they? Was it the LTE patents mentioned in the article? They kind of deserve those patents, they were the first to make a LTE handest (if I'm not mistaken) after all.
101. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I dunno about first to MAKE, but the Thunderbolt was the first commercially available LTE handset in the US.
I wonder why the current LTE MaxiPad isn't being sued over?
102. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That's what I meant, I should've been more clear on that.
The current trial right now between Apple and HTC about LTE, if HTC wins, 1 out of 3 things will happen;
1) The new iPhone will have to be stuck on 3G and HSPA+, and the iPad will be banned.
2) The new iPhone and iPad will have to be banned
3) Or, Apple will have to pay royalties to HTC for them to use LTE in their iPad and new iPhone.
103. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
"Apple asked the court to rule that the patents are invalid because HTC purchased them just to aggressively use them in court...."
Wow, Apple just described what they do....
104. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Even if Apple is blocked from using LTE, somehow, and I doubt it will happen, because the U.S. gov't loves its apples, the new iphone can use a faster HSPA+ connection and just release it, finally for AT&T and T-Mo, while giving Sprint and Verizon customers the usual slow 3G CDMA versions.
140. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Technically they could use WiMax for sprint, but as I mentioned in another comment earlier, sprint is shutting down that network (or ending their access to it, since it is technically Clear's) and T-Mo has no plans (thankfully) for the iFail. Seems like it might get bumped to 21Mbps HSPA+ for AT&T but that's about it (if the ban(s) is/are enforced)
115. Aeires (unregistered)
And some people thought HTC was crazy a week or two ago when they said they were going to aggressively stand up to Apple. Nicely played, any wagers that Apple will finally get the message and call off the dogs?
156. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
When HTC mean it, they really mean it.
123. Fuego84 (Posts: 344; Member since: 13 May 2012)
Well I was kind of hoping that HTC can now just give Apple a break and just maybe Apple will learn a lesson and not be a evil company any more, but really Apple only still exists due to kindness and help and it didn't learn a thing that's why it's an evil backstabing company.
132. prototype (Posts: 23; Member since: 06 Jul 2012)
Apple is just like a Nazi Germany fighting everyone at all front ,sooner or later Apple will be crashed by Android OEM Alliances.
142. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Nokia, too. Crabapple's biggest loss so far was to Nokia, who, in retrospect, could/should have gone for a ban on top of its royalties.
133. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
What I do not get is why a MAC is 3 times more money than a good laptop....makes no sense as it is not 3 times better by any stretch.
135. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Buy a laptop and install Ubuntu/Madriva linux it will save even more money ... will boot faster will not need AV etc ... google needs to bring in Linux revolution on desktop ... :)
137. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
oh yeah, i know...i do want a chromebook but it only has 16gb storage.
143. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
The apple logo ads on at least 50% to the fair price, 100% if it glows, plus the crummy OS costs around $500 per license in apple's eyes. There's nothing an apple can do that a PC can't do better with the right software, as they use the same components now. It was an even broader gap when apple used the IBM-designed PowerPC chips, which ran hot and inefficiently (first-gen imacs were especially known for some melting or bursting into smoke due to poor cooling design... Air cool, heh...)
139. willard12 (Posts: 1677; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Alan, did the Judge really call the iPhone "iconic?" Or, is that just something that gets thrown in every article?
141. preet27in (banned) (Posts: 173; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
apple has gone totally crazy about the patent fights. looks like they have planned this just to earn some hard cash.this is ruining their reputation among the users. ppl have started hating apple for this. nyways i hate them right from the beigning. with their stupid ios, which is not at all better than android. apple have now more.... hate fanboys rather than loved ones. and HELL YEAH THEY GOT F***D BY SOME RANDOM JUDGE. tasted their own medicine. damn u appple.
155. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
GO HTC GO! THIS TAIWANESE COMPANY IS OBVIOUSLY BETTER THAN CUPERTINIO!
160. b1acktiger (Posts: 223; Member since: 19 May 2012)
HTC, You are back in game ! LTE all the way
163. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
This is a ''TOTAL SURPRISE'' Hail to HTC they deserve MAJOR PROPS on this. Now Samsung can hop on the bandwagon and sue apple on September 13th 2012 to have it's new iphone banned in the US for LTE PATENTS. Samsung owns 13% of the LTE PATENTS in the UNITED STATES so trust me APPLE MADE a huge mistake with there LTE IPHONE...They started the battle android will win the war...
164. jamz82277 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Sep 2012)
I sincerely hope any company with any LTE patent that Apple infringes will sue for a ban on the iPhone 5. I hope at least one of those companies win, and moreso I hope More than one wins, so when Apple works around one patent, they still have three more to work around before they are allowed to sell the phone. If Apple got their junk banned for a while they would feel the heat and stop suing everyone and their mother. I am so sick of hearing nearly every day about Apple trying to ban someone's products. PLEASE SOMEONE give them a taste of their own medicine!!!