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Federal Appeals Court: Samsung and Apple do not have to reveal profits in court

0. phoneArena 24 Aug 2013, 00:34 posted on

On Friday, the Federal U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington reversed a ruling made by a lower court that forced tech titans Apple and Samsung to release documents containing sales and profits information; during last year's epic patent trial between Samsung and Apple, a court battle that was so widely covered in the media that seats in the courthouse were consider prized possessions...

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posted on 24 Aug 2013, 01:08 2

1. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5399; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


The battle of the babies never ends...

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 01:14

2. Foxytail (Posts: 4; Member since: 11 Nov 2012)


The babies that dominating smartphone market, with millions of jealous hater.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 01:31 12

3. Taters (Posts: 2866; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


I still don't get how Samsung gets equal blame for this. They are merely defending themselves from injustice. What are they supposed to do? Take it up the ass like HTC and give Apple money that they in no way deserve?

It's not like Apple would stop either if Samsung just took the bullying. They literally have no choice in the matter. It is Apple that is 100% at fault here.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 01:33 8

4. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5399; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Exactly. Those "patent", "sue", "court" etc. are all from Apple. Apple is the one who started this.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 02:42 2

5. mayur007 (Posts: 409; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


and apple will be the one who will lose..

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 02:46

6. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Apple is the victim. Samsung was adjudicated in a court of law to be guilty of stealing Apple's IP. Samsung's actions were so effen blatantly that the jury awarded a HUGE penalty.

xperiaDROID, when someone steals your phone and when you try to get it back from the thief, then I will be the first person to mimick your thought process that "you started this."

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 02:54 6

7. tedkord (Posts: 4663; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


And Apple was adjudicated to be guilty of stealing Samsung's IP, but the man Apple donated half a million dollars to vetoed that.

Apple is not the victim. The consumer is. Apple is the attacker, brandishing a broken patent system as it's weapon.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 03:13 2

9. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Opinions are not facts.

The fact is Samsung is trying to extort from Apple using Samsung's 3G patents obtained under FRAND standards.

The court adjudicated against Apple so the court could do the same thing against Samsung when the time came (a simple point obviously lost to the Samsung camp). That forced the President of the US to act against Samsung's extortion.

Btw, Google and Motorola tried the FRAND-patent extortion approach and it blew up on its face. Apple's patents are not under the FRAND standard since Apple's patents are utility and design patents MEANING ANYONE could out-invent Apple (another point lost to the Samsung camp).

The patent system isn't broken -- again, that is your opinion. In contrast, Samsung stole Apple's IP -- that is a statement of fact. What Samsung did wrong was to steal IP when they could have spent money to out-invent Apple.

In America, we have strong property rights -- stealing is just wrong.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 03:53 4

10. tedkord (Posts: 4663; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Wow. Conspiracy theory much? The court ruled against Apple so they could rule against Samsung?

You're right. Facts are facts. And the fact is that a the judge panel found that not only was Samsung not abusing FRAND patents, but that Apple was negotiating in bad faith, ie. they never planned to pay fair and reasonable, they were trying to not pay at all or to get better pricing than anyone else. Not surprising, after watching them try to strongarm the music industry into giving them licensing rates half the next lowest licensee.

So, as a statement of fact, Apple stole Samsung's IP. The court found that, and the veto did not dispute it.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 03:01 1

8. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Taters:

That was a wonderful revisionist approach to ESTABLISHED and KNOWN facts.

Apple asks Samsung to stop stealing Apple IP, and Apple was willing to offer Samsung access to lower-level patents as an inducement. Samsung says to Apple to drop dead.

After several negotiations failed to stop Samsung's actions, Apple is forced to sue.

Judge Koh orders both sides to work things out. Samsung doesn't want to admit their wrong-doing.

Then we have the trial. Before jury deliberations, Judge Koh again asks Samsung if they want to settle as in apologize and make amends. Again, Samsung declines because they like telling Apple to drop dead.

The jury comes back and it's a landslide victory for Apple. The jury wanted to send a STRONG SIGNAL that stealing IP is wrong and awards a $1 billion+ penalty.

So what does does Samsung do -- they went after the jury foreman. Samsung lost and like a sore loser, they started attacking the American justice system.

Remember, stealing is wrong and Samsung got caught in their hands in the cookie jar, and now they must pay for the consequences of their actions. Apple is the victim here. These are facts.

There is a saying in America: While the wheels of Justice grinds slowly, it grinds incredibly fine (Samsung had to learn the hard way).

Samsung was a thief, and as a result, they are not defending themselves from injustice -- they committed the injustice.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 07:54 1

15. joey_sfb (Posts: 2883; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


So ardent1, would it be the iPhone Stupid or the iPhone Cheap for you...lol

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 11:55 1

20. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)


So Obama didn't just overturn the ruling against Apple stealing from Samsung? You must have missed that article.

You need to just stop this stupid defense of Apple, there's far too much evidence pointing to them being completely innocent like you paint them to be. There's also few that will buy your line so you're just wasting time trying to convince people of your stance, right, wrong, or indifferent. The more you keep bringing up hand picked points, the more people look at you as being out of touch. In issues such as this, you have to look at the entire case and not just selectively pick points that build up your point of view and ignore those points that completely contradict it.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 13:17 2

22. Taters (Posts: 2866; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


You just typed up a lot BS for nothing. There is a reason that Samsung WILLINGLY pays Microsoft, Ericcson, and EVERYBODY else for patents and told Apple to drop dead. There is also a reason why HTC was fighting the same BS accusations for so long. Because they were just that. BS claims. And nothing changes just because Samsung was found gulty by a bunch of retarded Americans. I hope that is not the barometer that we use to judge guilt these days.

Just the fact that Apple's claims were tossed in most other coutries tells you just how lame Apple's claims were.

Samsung is defending themselves from a thief that masquerades as a stand up citizen. Nothing childish about what they are doing.

Apple on the other hand....

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 20:50 3

24. tedkord (Posts: 4663; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Samsung went after the foreman because he ignored instructions, improperly introduced his own evidence during deliberations, and swayed the jury away from a common sense verdict.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 10:22 2

16. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6381; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


I'd say both APPLE SAMSUNG should just drop this damn case. this shyt getting bothersome

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 06:46 1

11. Ronny666 (Posts: 108; Member since: 08 Jun 2013)


A thief is saying stealing is wrong. LOL!

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 07:46 2

13. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Yup a high profile thief who didn't even spare the "Clock" Design

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 07:50 2

14. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


And here's more of that thief...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57599856-37/doj-wiggles-on-apple-e-book-remedies-but-not-oversight/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title&source=email_rt_mc_body&app=n

posted on 25 Aug 2013, 14:05

25. stealthd (Posts: 948; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Price fixing isn't stealing, it wasn't even a criminal trial.

posted on 25 Aug 2013, 15:01

26. tedkord (Posts: 4663; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


In the US, price fixing is a criminal federal offense prosecuted under the Sherman Anti Trust act. Yes, it was a criminal trial, and Apple was convicted, so yes, they are criminals.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 07:31 2

12. AfterShock (Posts: 2798; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


I thought a couple of these patents were coming under review for being semi illegal as prior art has turned up.
Judicial system at work here is working with bent tools and as usuall will be bent on outcome.

Common sense an judicial rulings are as common as unicorns.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 12:44 3

21. tedkord (Posts: 4663; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Yep. Much of what Apple hollers about others stealing, they in fact stole first. Slide to Unlock, grids of icons, etc. Even more recently, they applied for a patent on a flexible amoled device. Something they have never done a lick of work on, while others did, and they tried to patent the idea. And knowing how truly broken the patent system is in the US, they could get it granted.

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 10:33 1

17. androiphone20 (Posts: 1422; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


Samsung should keep making phones... like the Hennessey cuz that's what they do best

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 10:51

18. androiphone20 (Posts: 1422; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


okay lets be honest Samsung copied the iphone design unaware it had patents they just realised it a little too late

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 10:52

19. androiphone20 (Posts: 1422; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


okay lets be honest Samsung copied the iphone design unaware it had patents they just realised it a little too late

posted on 24 Aug 2013, 13:17 1

23. tedkord (Posts: 4663; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


I would give Apple a small payout for the OG Galaxy S, just on trade dress and not the silly, overbroad patents. But after that the whole situation breaks down to the absurd as Apple tries to claim that a tap is just a zero length swipe, defending a patent on something they stole initially.

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