Farewell, 8 MP iPhone camera: Apple's iPhone 6s and 6s Plus to have 12 MP cameras with 4K video recording, plus flash for selfies

3. sgodsell (Posts: 2600; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

Is Apple still keeping that low resolution HD display on the new iPhone 6s? If Apple wants to compare it to other flagship devices, then they need to up the graphics on the display as well. Considering no other flagship device on the market offers such a low resolution display as the iPhone 6.

82. j2001m (Posts: 2109; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)

Oh dear, before you all go out and buy the new iPhone may be a good idea to view this video, 100% if you in the UK, I think they may also sell thei in the usa

http://youtu.be/o5N_DYc25HI

How to make the iPhone look crap and only cost £250

83. j2001m (Posts: 2109; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)

I take it back at this time it's only £210.https://www.vmall.eu/uk/honor-7-silver-281216/

85. j2001m (Posts: 2109; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)

The only thing you not going to be doing on this phone is play good games without any slow down, apart from that you good
You not going to have problem paying the more basic games

86. j2001m (Posts: 2109; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)

Reviewhttp://youtu.be/fDRn7nz7B4Y

6. bucky (Posts: 2180; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)

is that why its the highest selling phone? I can bet you any money there is not a phone company out there that wouldnt take their place. There is a reason for their success.

The king of android just modeled their newest phones after the iphone...

17. sgodsell (Posts: 2600; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

Sales don't change the fact that the iPhone has the lowest resolution display compared to every other flagship device on the market.

There is a reason for Apples success. They charge a lot for lower specifications. 100% a fact. Just look at the current iPhones only offer you 1 GB of ram, and a dual core processor.

19. Ninetysix (Posts: 2076; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)

Dual core processor with 1GB of ram vs Quad core with 4GB of RAM.

http://www.cultofandroid.com/75730/iphone-6-smokes-samsung-note-5-in-speed-test/

Do you need a tissue?

25. Fire5 (Posts: 198; Member since: 13 Feb 2015)

The 8-core processor is 2 or 3 times more efficient than Apple A8, you only look at power and why iPhone 6 has a so mediocre autonomy.

41. Tuxedo (Posts: 311; Member since: 19 Mar 2013)

... sure and I can teleport.

27. Trex95 (Posts: 846; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)

Samsung needs to get ride of there blotwaer asap.

56. Ordinary (Posts: 1642; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)

The fact is that doesnt have anything to do with bloatware lol.

Its ram managment problem that samsung didnt fix it yet, altough easily fixable with root and build prop.

Even my S4 keeps apps running in background. Smh

40. Fire5 (Posts: 198; Member since: 13 Feb 2015)

https://youtu.be/zHb6IlmmV2o

44. kevin91202 (Posts: 405; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)

Thx for posting an article from a site run by closet apple fans. And that test of repeatedly opening apps is not real world.

51. marorun (Posts: 1124; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

Ninetysix and if both would be running IOS want to bet the quad core with 4 gb of ram would destroy the first one?

The fact here is not thats a phone with crappy hardware but super optimised OS can beat a phone with a less optimised OS but better hardware.

The fact here is thats Apple should stop taking ppl for moron and give the hardware you pay for.

Give me an iphone with real hardware a phone thats wont start having issue after one ( Mendatory ) OS update.
A phone thats will have great battery life ( Iphone is at best average )

Do you need a new brain or you too idiot to understand?

53. Ninetysix (Posts: 2076; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)

I'm sorry but I'm not the one who works at a retail phone shop earning minimum wage :)

69. Plutonium239 (Posts: 703; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)

Yes, everyone that isn't a samsung fanboy knows that samsung sucks at software. However, you put that hardware in a phone running Windows Phone 8.1 and that phone would smack down both the Iphone 6 and Note 5.

81. j2001m (Posts: 2109; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)

That just because crap birds 2 keep open for some time on iPhone , it's a fake test, test it with a real game and it drop the game way faster than the note 5 I.e. Change it for mk10 and it drops it supper fast, game of thrones also drops supper fast, you get the idea

87. ibend (Posts: 1020; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)

tester just stupid, look at first loop, note 5 win by large gap.. one second loop tester guy became slowpoke when pressing note 5, he even stop for few second for no reason after opening camera app..
RAM isnt affect opening app speed, RAM is for multitask (that iOS never have)
and apple's dualcore use huge number of transistor, and it eat battery juice really fast (compare note 5 vs i6 screen on time while playing vids, note 5 still win even if it have 4 times more pixels to process)

104. sachouba (Posts: 90; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)

"Do you need a tissue?"
I was just about to ask you the same question.

20. sgodsell (Posts: 2600; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

I should have added if consumers want a iPhone then they have to pay what ever Apple is asking for it. Another fact. Its well know Apple hasn't made a high specification device in years.

Even benchmark are stupid. Because comparing a QHD display to a HD display is just dumb. The QHD displays are pushing 3.7 times the number of pixels compared to the low resolution iPhone 6.

32. MSi_GS70 (Posts: 289; Member since: 13 Aug 2015)

thing is u pp here talking bout hardware etc.. but billion ppl out there don't care or has no idea what is inside .. the main thing is that they see apple logo on the back and title ''iphone'' and that is the end.. those ppl has no idea if phone has low resolution .. pleease don't be naive.. it is only you here a fraction ppl of the whole planet care about sht.. that is the point !

54. marorun (Posts: 1124; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

MSi_GS70

So most of the planet are morons is thats what you say?

Because what you say thats they dont care what is inside end up with this : Phone thats start having issue with OS update after a year.. Phone thats has bad battery live , Phone thats take less good picture but phone thats cost more than any others..

Se the problem here?

So what you say is thats most ppl are so naive thats they see thats they getting ripped? They dont see thats they can get better for lower price?

Ok you are right most of the planet are morons and its quite sad.
This is why company who only put as much money as possible in marketing instead of better and longer lasting phone can have so much success.

68. CreeDiddy (Posts: 565; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)

You have no idea regarding Apple's Supply Chain. The display on my iPhone 6 Plus looks just as bright and crisp as an Android phone running 2560x1440. We will get this next year. No need for QHD as the graphics CPU takes a big hit in benchmarks and speed.

1GB of RAM is plenty for all the apps I run besides Apple Music.

Dual Core processors is still faster than 85% of Android smartphones.

105. grbrao (Posts: 92; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)

but they dont have lag. and apple always support the older divices and give them a chance to try the new software. there is a reason why apple is the most trusted brand. Why spend loads of money on an android phone which wont be updated to the new software? All the gigs and cores, over heating etc, do u think it is necesary?

18. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 4264; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)

Here we go again. If we can't win in the argument of facts, let's bring up sales. That's all you fools have is sells.

So what. A company is in business to make sales. If Samsung for example only made the Note and S, they would sell twice as many phones as Apple, just like they do now. Apple seels one model. Thus high sales.

If Apple made 10 selling iPhones in a year, you think they would sell 300M phones? Because I don't.

We aren't arguing sales here. Oepn your tiny little brain up crazy person. Yes the iPhoen has high sales. So is the best Apple can do to reward you is give you a 750p display which si basically 720p which was the norm nearly 4 years ago?

The 6 Plus has 1080p. How long has 1080p been on phones? for 3 years now? The best you can get is dualcore CPU's? Why do you need t dualcore CPU to run one app at a time? Why cant you have more than 1GB of RAM? Why si the cameras so small? 1.2MP cameras were the norm on flip phones when I had my Noto Razr which was in 1994. THIS IS 2015!

The best you can argue is yes that's why ti has high sales. Yes it has high sales because 1st, people are stupid as you can surely relate to that. 2nd people are sold on marketing hype, which you can relate to that and 3rd, people don't comparision shop properly and you can relate to that.

We don't care how well the phone sells. What we do care about is since it does sell so well and Apple has made a fortune, they could use much better hardware and make the phone BETTER.

if the iPhone had just a Quadcore CPU at 2Ghz and 3GB of RAM, 5/16MP cameras and more, it would be not a good device; it would be the best in the world.

A company with $200BN in the bank should have the #1 product in whatever segment they sell something. YET APPLE DOESN"T.

You have to be a complete loser to have the same argument when it comes to blasting Apple for having BILLIONS and releasing phones like they are from some poor country.

Enjoy your cheap outdated phone.

31. AlikMalix (Posts: 3030; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)

I'm so annoyed with scrolling thru your s**t.

"Here we go again. If we can't win in the argument of facts, let's bring up sales. That's all you fools have is Seles"

Sales means that the apple does it right! If people gave a crap about the things you trash about Apple - they wouldn't buy the iPhone. No one gives a s**t about higher resolution - iPhones screens are SHARP even my 5s, the photos are consistently great, and my performance is smooth. Ecosystem is best, support is top notch, and iPhone feels good in your hands. The little tiny differences are unnoticeable in that damn praised resolution that you keep clamoring about.

Also stop telling Apple how to build their phones - people like it - you will hate it even if it cures cancer. You hate the company and the people who purchase their products.

SALES = product that people like - Apple builds a product that people like, Samsung builds product that other people like, HTC, SONY, and etc build products that few people like - there's a product for everyone - iPhone is a product for me because android is a mess and I don't want to deal with it. Android is for you because you want indistinguishable resolution that NO ONE gives a s**t about.

Stop posting on Apple articles if you don't understand them.

34. Well-Manicured-Man (Posts: 116; Member since: 16 Jun 2015)

Amen brother. Great sales mean that somebody is doing something right.

79. willard12 (Posts: 1314; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)

No wonder you have all those Bieber posters on your wall. Amen brother.

58. marorun (Posts: 1124; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

AlikMalix is the best car in the world the most sold? nope its not.

The most popular is the most sold.
And usually this is thanks to what we call Marketing.

Stop making excuses iphone is the most sold ( if we only put 1 model at time ) but far from been the best.

The best of everything are usually not the most sold.
just look at cars and watch by example or high end laptop and computer.

You say thats sale mean Apple do it right and if we look at it in a capitalist way you are right. Morally you are wrong.

most ppl dont even know about the thing we trash Apple for because tech website and on tv all the marketing and ppl say is Apple is the best and blablabla and keep on saying thats even if its not always true.

No one give a s**t about higher resolution because tech website like PA say its not needed. ( remember there was even a apologie article about thats here not so long ago )

Iphone screen are sharp well almost every phone out there are sharper lol even crappy low end like the moto G 2015.

The photo are nothing special been beating iphone since the HTC desire HD era ( thats phone was better than the iphone of the same time... the 4 i think ) then my HTC one S was taking better pic than the iphone of the same era ( iphone 4S or 5 cant remember ) and its was like this on all my phone except my Sonim XP7 thats take picture similar to the iphone 5S.

your performance may be smooth but i have load of client with iphone with crappy performance maybe its the users ( dumb ) or the phone who know? :)

Ecosystem is not thats good anymore Google ecosystem is getting better a lots faster than Apple is so pretty soon they will be about the same we just need to wait and see dev starting to really exploit those android phone hardware then we will see better games appear but for now you are right game are made for dual core with 1 gb then ported to android so even crappy SD410 phone like my Sonim can play all high game with no lag this prove thats game dont exploit the android phone at all right now.

Support is good i like the warranty system they have but again some do even better. Sonim warranty is 3 years no matter what you did to your phone yep even broken screen.

Iphone before iphone 6 ( 5C is the exception ) feel like crap in the hand the border are sharp and far from giving a good feel. the iphone 6 changed this by copying others but its okay phone shape should not be patented anyway.

The little tiny differences are not thats tiny but thanks to techwebsite thats get money from Apple and super marketing team and expense they put in thats you can make anything look tiny.

As for myself i only hate Apple not the ppl purchasing the phone its not fully there fault if they cant see tru all the marketing and lie.

I would buy an iphone if its would have good hardware in fact i would love thats as the OS is very optimised.

So Android is for me because its give me choice of handset maker.

88. Astonvan (Posts: 82; Member since: 14 Aug 2015)

Hey man! Dont call moto g 2015 crappy alright. for a price like that you are getting so much with it.

106. grbrao (Posts: 92; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)

U r such a dumbass @slammer, how could u even compare a millions of dollor worth cars to mearly a thousand dollar phones.? and barging about hardware, good specs dosent mean good phone either, is should sync well with software too. Nexus phones always out performs any phone on android market. why? cause software and hardware was sync that way. iOS dosent requite so much gigs and pixcels, it is optimized for everything. That is what people pay for, that is what people looking for.

75. Slammer (Posts: 1498; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)

I don't want to disagree with you here but, when I see how many women and teens own iPhones, I question whether these people are looking at specs or just that their friends own one and it is easy to use.

This allows Apple to use older technology without any problems with popularity. It further allows them to charge more for older technology than the competitors that actually make it for Apple.

Apple has done this for over 30 years. Why is it only after the iPhone, that people of this generation excuse Apple for cutting the corners?

Nothing new here. Yes, Apple performance is great in what it does with older tech, but the bone of contention is imagine how much better it can be with newer technology. You pay top dollar for the device, it should offer the latest regardless of performance. Either Apple does not have the technical knowledge on how to optimize the latest technology, or, it can get away with making huge profits off of older technology because people don't care. If the last is true, then the small marketshare that is making Apple extremely rich, is always going to have to wait for the next product offering. Hence why Apple sales kill every year. The diehards clamoring for more every year. It's a pattern all to reminiscent of Apple's 36 year tenure.

John B.

38. Well-Manicured-Man (Posts: 116; Member since: 16 Jun 2015)

I guess then that sales aren't facts?

59. marorun (Posts: 1124; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

Yep sales are facts fact thats your marketing work.

46. miket1737 (Posts: 1982; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)

so you had a camera on your flip phone in the 90's? wow, this is a miracle, please report this to your local news agency asap! because wow Techie broke through the first camera on a cellphone barrier 8 years earlier then Nokia did and others! wow this is so incredible!

and wow i didnt know the moto razr came out in 1994, thats incredible too.

typical techie garble, this is why no one takes your irrelevant piss poor opinions, you said exactly this in the "court finds Samsung is guilty of stealing from TSMC article"

Techie's words: "All I can say is I don't care if Samsung steals. It doesn't effect me one bit. All corporations steal. Apple, Miceosoft, Samsung, Sony and plenty others have been caught stealing.

Some like Apple something in plain site and no one says anything if it's their favorite. If Samsung is guilty they should pay. They have the money.

I mean even Steve Jobs stole his famous quote of good artist copy and great artist steal. Right? Every product Apple has ever made was stolen, even through names.

At least Microsoft bimought the vast majority of the products they improved like DOS, Word, Excel and more."

typical fanboy nonsense, your comments are laughable and i just laugh to my self as i glance through your post not even reading it seriously cause i cant take your posts seriously, it sounds like someones on crack when their posted

60. marorun (Posts: 1124; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

First camera phone was in 2002 if i am correct.

47. darkkjedii (Posts: 17195; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Samsung has learned to be great from Apple, that's a fact. They unified the galaxy brand, making it look the same across carriers, started having launch events, streamlined the user experience, and yes...moved to a premium design language. All this was learned from Apple, to better compete with them. Whoever denies that is blind.

Apple has become more open, and more about enhancing the user experience from Google/Samsung. They've learned, you can't keep cramming in features and not the hardware to run them (tri core, 2 gigs of ram). They both copy and learn from each other.

65. Lycan155 (Posts: 164; Member since: 24 Nov 2013)

Well said jedi

70. darkkjedii (Posts: 17195; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Thanx bro.

48. marorun (Posts: 1124; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

Thanks to billions in marketing.
giving goodie to tech website.
Paying reviewer. ect.

They also the one thats has the highest margin ( yeah this is thanks to using crappy hardware thats run ok thanks to a good OS )

So when Apple will give me the hardware i pay for i will get an iphone.
An iphone with current high end android hardware would be simply unbeatable.

But if Apple do this then an iphone would be good for at least 3-4 year before an upgrade and Apple is also the most greedy cellphone maker ( and morally is wrong but in today world its amazing right? )

Ppl are so idiot to not see the full picture and why some of us cannot even smell thats company anymore.

77. xondk (Posts: 657; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

Because Apple is great with marketing, that's about it, they are great in making people believe that what and how they are giving you the iPhone, how they are making it work, is enough for you, and granted for a lot it is, no question about that, for a lot what counts most is that you can pick up the device and use it, they don't want to get to know a new product regardless of how quickly they would be able to do so.

But that aside, the vast majority of what Apple provides is objectively inferior to what android products provide, granted some people mention that the warranty, and such, the service is a big part of it as well, however that seems to be mostly a US thing, since in EU we have basically 2 year warranty on all none perishable products (with a few exceptions on products that aren't intended to last for such a time), and I can definitely understand people wanting to get Apple in America if things are such.

And one thing I hope people will eventually demand from Apple is lower price, Apple is making an enormous profit on their product, something similar product producers cannot do, because they wouldn't be seen as worth it, I'm hoping people will realize that even if they enjoy Apple products, they are more expensive then they need to be, and that the vast majority of the 'features' are marketing making them sound special, when such features are not.

7. Trex95 (Posts: 846; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)

And Nike still the best football, running, sinkers shoes around so iPhone, but still don't believe the front camera will come with flash Lol.

12. An.Awesome.Guy (Posts: 256; Member since: 12 Jan 2015)

No, the front camera won't come with flash instead the screen will lighten up, probably will be white and highest brightness.

35. jesus_sheep (Posts: 138; Member since: 18 Apr 2015)

lg g3 had this a year ago

42. MSi_GS70 (Posts: 289; Member since: 13 Aug 2015)

but nobody take damn sht but lg .. that is the problem.. they has very very dark screens..

66. CreeDiddy (Posts: 565; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)

Android works for most ppl. Apple works for most ppl.

78. cheetah2k (Posts: 1259; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)

Finally Apple has made it to 2013... Well done!

90. legiloca (Posts: 575; Member since: 11 Nov 2014)

Very Well Said sir.. You deserve a truckload of cookies

95. willytbk (Posts: 213; Member since: 15 Aug 2012)

butt hurt huh ?

13. TSMan2 (Posts: 227; Member since: 20 Aug 2015)

Apple is always behind with (older) camera components and displays and so on, because they prefer to buy cheap and have big profit margins.
They try to compensate with software optimizations, though(and of course with tech-media-shills reviewers)

24. Well-Manicured-Man (Posts: 116; Member since: 16 Jun 2015)

Your statement is simply not true. Two examples that proof you wrong:

1) Apple's CPU can rival any Qualcomm or Exynos - since years

2) A display or camera is more than its resolution. Apple always goes for the finest Sony Sensor or calibrated displays. They just don't increase the resolution but go for improvements of other aspects of the camera or display. Check DXO Mark: Apple's iPhone 6 bet its direct rival Samsung Galaxy S5 clearly in the camera department and it is only one point behind Samsung's Note 4 even though Samsung seems to have a much better camera on the spec sheets.

Conclusion: Apple is certainly not behind its competitors. They simply achieve their results through a) improving certain aspects of their hardware which cannot be improved through software optimization and b) through software optimization where applicable. You can also say that Apple's rivals need to compensate their lack of software knowhow through pimped up hardware at the expense of lower profit margins.

33. gustavoace (Posts: 159; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)

You actually can't fairly compare two processors running two different systems. The interpreter are different. You will always find videos where iPhones are faster and videos where Androids are faster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTg9kcsAmgQ), but at the end of the day, they only need to be fast enough. Milliseconds doesn't change your life.

Apple's camera are nice indeed, but not as good as competition in the last 2 years. There is no blind test here in PA that iphone 5s or 6 won. Not even 2nd or 3rd place. Apple's displays are subpar... they only exceeds in maximum brightness, but color reproduction is not as good as Samsung AMOLED (including the budget Nexus 5), resolution are actually bad. You can say whatever you want to believe about "retina", but 1440p looks way better.

The video I attached shows you so called "Apple's optimizations", where multi tasking is just absent and battery life are awful. Software problem exist in any OS you look, mobile or not.

I like Apple products, but at the moment I only use the one they really exceeds competition: macbook air.

36. Well-Manicured-Man (Posts: 116; Member since: 16 Jun 2015)

Blind camera comparison on PhoneArena means the following:
The majority of users hate Apple. The fasted way to identify the Apple photo is to check for the photo with the fewest details in the zoomed-in section of the photos. This is where the people don't click.

You can check any review website you want: always the same results: Apple is among the top group of handsets.

62. marorun (Posts: 1124; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)

Because Apple pay big money to specific ppl you such a fool for not seing this.

67. gustavoace (Posts: 159; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)

I agree that iPhone 6 camera is great! Its slow motion function is just amazing and way above competition. But we cannot call it a winner just for that. Its a great camera phone, but not the best.

What I mean is Apple mixes premium things with budget things and there's no reason for that. 4.7'' 1080p screens are not rare anymore, neither expensive. 2Gb of RAM would increase 10USD in production cost. But they insists on low-res screen and 1Gb of RAM, keeping iOS away from multitasking. For no reason at all.

I think Apple wants so bad to not be like competition (Windows in desktop, Android in mobile) that they systems lack of simple yet useful features. They live on the history of success they build, but nowadays, they look others more than the other way around.

Thanks for the non-trolling rage response btw

102. AlikMalix (Posts: 3030; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)

Very fair point +1

71. Plutonium239 (Posts: 703; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)

Sorry, but the Surface pro 3 exceeds the Macbook air.