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Exynos 4412 - what's in store with the quad-core processor in the Samsung Galaxy S3

0. phoneArena 30 Apr 2012, 05:51 posted on

Another first for Samsung, except the 32nm production method for the quad-core 4412 beast, is that it has resisted the temptation to just slap a low-frequency core for the mundane tasks like standby and UI browsing, but used intelligent power management solutions instead. The advantage of having four cores is in multitasking and applications like web browsing, video editing and 3D games, where a lot of processes can now be run at parallel, instead of waiting for a free core...

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posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:01 4

1. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


i agree with the "quad is better than dual" thing when it comes to consumers. i'm already wondering how Samsung will advertise their Exynos 5 tablet compared to the next iPad (which would probably quad core).

thursday can't come soon enough!

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:28 2

6. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


Actually quad-core CPU is useless for iOS (who needs 4 threads to use skype or listening to music in background?). I guess that they will use dual cortex A-15 (Real A6 SoC?) when the next Ipad is introduced in March 2013. However, if SS introduces a tablet in summer 2013, it will probably quad cortex A15. But I dont know why SS still uses 32nm process for Exynos 5 which is quite obsolete compared to 20nm process of TSMC chips.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:04 2

16. cheetah2k (Posts: 738; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


No. TSMC's planned 20nm production begins in 2013. CurrentlyTSMC only produce non-HKMG 28nm S4's.

TSMC's 28nm HKMG trial process was having major yield issues as far back as Oct 2011, which is why they've chosen to use a substandard 'last gate' approach non-HKMG for the S4 until the end of 2012 (and another reason why TSMC has indicated chip shortages throughout 2012)

So that leaves Samsungs ever so slightly more "conservative" 32nm HKMG Exynos, based on 'first gate' tech which is designed from the ground up using already proven high yield CPU's produced by the IBM/GLOFOUNDRY Alliance (AMD)

Your guess is as good as mine as to what will come out on top, but I'm hedging my bets on the Exynos:)

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:14

21. rd_nest (Posts: 606; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Full technical specs for 4412 below:

http://8gpad.com/?p=302

Also read from XDA:

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-galaxy-s-iii-s5e4412-processor-a-hackers-overview/

This SoC supports up to 128bits internally. Cortex-A8 and A9 cores work on 64 bits at a time, and the Cortex-A15 does 128 bits. So it looks like Samsung pulled the wider NEON unit from the A15 to put in their A9's.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 10:11

32. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


You're right but I meant the quad Cortex-A15 Exynos , not the dual-core. I don't remember exactly but I saw an article said that SoC Exynos 5450 Quad-core would be introduced in 2013 with 32nm HKMG process.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:05

17. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


They said 20nm was coming not that it was already here, plus they made it at 32nm because have you seen the shortages going on with the 28nm s4 chips? Samsung was probably trying to get as efficient as they could with creating shortages for themselves.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:21

23. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)


Exynos 5xxx is not going to come out before OMAP5, that's a fact.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 10:26 1

35. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the 5250 is supposed to be in tablets in the second half of 2012 so I'd check your facts. OMAP5 has been eerily quiet.

don't get caught up on a NM numbers game. a more advanced 32nm can squash a 28nm easily. just like an advanced 4cylender can squash a 6 cylendar.

Samsung has already shown they should have a battery and power advantage over the s4.

btw phone arena.. quit perpetuating the s4 rumor. it doesn't make a bit of sense. Samsung has lte working on 4412 and they have more than. enough chips to go around.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 18:34

43. Phullofphil (Posts: 798; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


There is an artical saying that a Samsung officer or official or what ever there corporate people are called said stateside s3 would be the s4 so it is more than a rumor but still not for sure I guess

posted on 01 May 2012, 06:22 1

49. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Why in the hell would it be the s4 and what kind of stuff you been smoking to see those rumors?

posted on 01 May 2012, 07:12

50. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


yea an "unnamed samsung official".

AKA, its an unsubstantiated rumor. However, an actual NAMED samsung official, in an actual interview article, said that LTE and HSPA+ 42 was a priority for the 4412 and 5250, and that they both work perfectly fine with the new chips and they have their own solution. They wanted to avoid having to switch out chips again.

The S4 rumor is a propagation of some lonely website that got regurgitated by every other site that picked up the story and wanted a new S3 rumor for the day. Now its been regurgitated so often people think its fact... when its not.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:13 10

2. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Strongest phone on the planet yet again Sammy.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:21 4

4. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


until quad core s4's and OMAP5s start rolling out, though knowing Samsung they'll be among the buyers of at least the S4's too.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:14 2

20. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


then the next exynos crushes quad s4 and omap5. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Rumors for the Galaxy S4 starts now!

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 11:11

36. samfrancisco (Posts: 12; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


The next Nexus phone first!

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:18 7

3. wendygarett (unregistered)


I dunno... hope the touchwiz ui change and that all i want

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:24 10

5. wendygarett (unregistered)


please dont give me a thunb down... im only 14 and know nothing about these chips stuff... at least im learning :)

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:46 6

11. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Its fine ive only been learning since August myself and im 15. If you ever need help email me. Its on my page.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 08:19 1

25. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Anyway I accidently bricked my e4gt so later when i get home from school Im going to get the new NAND memory chip i ordered and sauter it in.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 10:16 1

33. vijay0715 (Posts: 10; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Me too :)

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 18:37 1

44. Phullofphil (Posts: 798; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


Learning is partly being disappointed at first and growing from the experience. So I am giving yo your first disappointment and thumbing you down kid

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 18:39 1

45. Phullofphil (Posts: 798; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


But keep the interest alive maybe you will be a developer considering you are starting earlier than most

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 18:41 1

46. Phullofphil (Posts: 798; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


Oh and don't worry if you get thumbed down if your not getting thumbed down every so often your not trying hard enough

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:45 3

10. azri05 (unregistered)


Dun worry kid, u r not alone. Many customer also want the same thing. Here some thumbs up for ya

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:55 8

13. wendygarett (unregistered)


its stupid that hanging with those ifans and keep sayin A5 chips is better than latest qualcomm and exynos... but now thanks to PA i know abit more those chips... kinda geek but...

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:01 2

15. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


If you want to learn more about qualcomm or exynos they should have it on their website somewhere lol.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:13 1

18. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)


Here, thumps up for you kid.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 11:47 1

37. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the A5 chip is a rebranded 4210 exynos dual core with a different GPU. Its the same chip found in the GalaxyS2, but under clocked to 800mhz

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 18:46 1

47. Phullofphil (Posts: 798; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


I believe exenos chips have been having the upper hand the last year or two tegera comes out with the chips first but usually are the slowest ones. Texas instruments has had really good chips in the past. I believe apples iPhone and iPad have there tech all come from mostly Samsung. Wich is weird with all the bad blood in the recent press about patents. Samsung have been doing really good with processors and screens in mobile phones lately. But stuff changes fast

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:32 2

7. grif_ (Posts: 61; Member since: 28 Apr 2012)


Enynos:)

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:43

9. azri05 (unregistered)


U r just got smartphowned

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:46

12. kshell1 (Posts: 1141; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Enynos? Exynos*

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:34 1

8. grif_ (Posts: 61; Member since: 28 Apr 2012)


stupid auto correct! Exynos:p

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 06:57

14. rg987 (Posts: 130; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


i think, that invitation card........that SAMSUNG sent to invited people..............has those blue and white ceramic colours bcoz .........the black coloured S3 will have white coloured CERAMIC coating And the White coloured S3 will have blue coloured CERAMIC COATING........and if it is so.....S3 would look marvellous in both colors....

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:14

19. rd_nest (Posts: 606; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Full technical specs for 4412 below:

http://8gpad.com/?p=302

Also read from XDA:

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-galaxy-s-iii-s5e4412-processor-a-hackers-overview/

This SoC supports up to 128bits internally. Cortex-A8 and A9 cores work on 64 bits at a time, and the Cortex-A15 does 128 bits. So it looks like Samsung pulled the wider NEON unit from the A15 to put in their A9's.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:14

22. xenonn1 (Posts: 19; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Hope to see a big battery in this monster and touchwiz 5.0.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 07:29

24. grif_ (Posts: 61; Member since: 28 Apr 2012)


if its more power efficient then adding a bigger battery would be great.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 08:23

26. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 799; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


I don't care about the hardware anymore, cuz we already know it's a no brainer when it comes to Samsung's Flagship Battle Cruisers (Beastly). I'm wishing they'd make a hell of a leap in the improvements of their design/aesthetics for this phone in order for the to finally put the icing in the apple cake.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 08:28

27. Xquisite (Posts: 87; Member since: 23 Apr 2012)


I've used the Galaxy SII, HTC Rezound, Galaxy Nexus, HTC One S, and the iPhone 4/s. They're all extremely fast in my opinion ( I don't play many games besides temple run so idk how they perform in gaming), so I honestly don't see the reason for a quad core. Sure if the U.S. version had a quad core cpu it would be a plus, but it certainly wouldn't be a deal breaker if it didn't have it.

I also don't know too much about phone cpus, but if they're like computer CPUs that means apps need to be optimized to use them. On some computer programs dual cores outperform quad core cpus because the program is optimized for a dual core cpu.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 08:47

28. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 799; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


True even the dualcore S3 (crapdragon) running Sony Xperia S beats the Tegra3 (quadcore) HTC one X in the web browsing department.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzFbVvscrEo

posted on 01 May 2012, 07:17

51. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


are we watching the same video? They go back and forth between who loads what page faster. you need to look at the lil spin wheel on the xperia S .. it doesnt stop moving before the T3 all the time. Also, the T3 is way better at gliding over the page, zooming, and reformating the screen for easier reading, the latter which the Xperia doesnt even do. There is a lot more going on under the hood of the T3 because of the Sense optimizations for browsing, than there is on the Xperia's stock browser. Even with those optimizations, they run about the same loading.. which means the T3 is doing a better job since its doing all the extra stuff at the same time.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 09:05

29. mobilefuture (Posts: 206; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


DAMN! I have alot to learn about mobile tech. I thought i knew alot but after reading these "chip" articles and comments im baffled. Well i got the whole summer. Also kshell1 i wouldnt mins having some explanation dropped off at my email. :)

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 09:05 1

30. mobilefuture (Posts: 206; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


*mind

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 09:22

31. superguy (Posts: 269; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


I'd love to see a US phone not get gimped because we actually use LTE. While Korea's frequency bands may be different, if they can put a full quad core solution in Korea, why not do it for the US too? Or even better, build the flexibility into the Korea model so it can be used in both the US and Korea.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 10:16

34. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


Cos Qualcomm's suck. They wanna keep the monopoly power with LTE radio chip of their crapdragon SoCs.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 12:40

38. superguy (Posts: 269; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


Still doesn't explain how Korea's getting a quad core. Question is if they're going to use a Qualcomm or Nvidia for Korea ... or if they have an Exynos that will work with LTE there.

I'm already not a fan of Qualcomm. I'm using one in my Rezound. While it's not terrible, I know it could be a lot better than what I have.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 12:46

40. fwinst (Posts: 43; Member since: 08 May 2010)


LTE in Korea works on a different frequency than that of LTE in the US. It's just easier for Samsung to use the Qualcomm chip in the States. I'm sure Sammy wouldn't have bothered with making a chip for Korea if that wasn't home.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 16:12

41. superguy (Posts: 269; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


I know they're different frequencies. The question is why can't they add support for the US frequencies while they're adding Korea's in? I'd think that'd be easier than designing a whole solution around a completely different chip.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 12:43

39. fwinst (Posts: 43; Member since: 08 May 2010)


The processing power of a dual core as opposed the the quad core will likely make little real world, daily difference for me. However, the thing that bugs me is that by installing the Qualcomm chip into the U.S. versions, we lose out on the dedicated ISP that is supposed to dramatically improve the camera. I'm annoyed by that.

posted on 30 Apr 2012, 17:28

42. Vrils (Posts: 29; Member since: 17 Sep 2011)


so you are saying Samsung doesn`t use Exynos 5250 because it would be too powerfull for today phones and god forbid you can hold your phone more than 2 years!

it would be a shame if you could buy a powerfuul phone today whoch you could use 4-5 years, noooo we don`t want that cause that doesn`t bring enough money, Apple style !

posted on 01 May 2012, 03:03

48. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


This sounds like way way better chip than tegra 3, in every respect.
So much more than just a doubled and clocked up previous Exynos.
So if I understood correctly, on top of all it also incorporates asynchronous mode like quad core s4?
I just might end up buying the galaxy s3

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 13:50

52. troy200550 (Posts: 1; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)


Il apreciate someone recomend a fast cpu abouth 2ghz.. i like video streaming and stuff but most phone apps can only use one core,,, having 12 core just heat up your phone cuz youre only using one anyway

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