Expected Microsoft layoff announcement now official. Final tally = 18 000 job cuts!
0. phoneArena 17 Jul 2014, 09:21 posted on
A couple of days ago, a rumor surfaced, claiming that Microsoft is about to announce a large job cut, in line with the final stages of integrating Nokia's mobile division into Microsoft's infrastructure.
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1. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10312; Member since: 14 May 2012)
That's really sad. I read over 12,000 were Nokia employees.
4. Jinto (Posts: 426; Member since: 15 Jan 2014)
On the bright side, those ex-Nokia guys are free to work for other companies
13. CellularNinja (Posts: 306; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)
If they had not bought Nokia, it would have tanked in a couple years anyway, and even more employees may have lost their jobs.
42. nokia12 (Posts: 452; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
now where is rodneyj11 and liveitup who were shouting that nothing has changed this is same nokia same" great engineers ", same great Products
like i told you before all the Nokia greats already Left before the sale was even complete like Camera guru , WP design head , Sales Head etc... the whole Pureview Team
i would be really surprised if MS fanboys still don't see this was all planned from the beginning and continue to shun the Trojan horse stuff
there are more than enough proofs now ...
Elop got paid millions , fooled the board members , took The no 1 company down
Hope whatever is left of Nokia comes back in 2016
25. adecvat (Posts: 198; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
"12,000 were Nokia employees"
Maybe Apple hire them :)
49. Jinto (Posts: 426; Member since: 15 Jan 2014)
R U crazy, Apple dont hire nobody unless the swear fealty to apple
55. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2387; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
You do know that don't hire nobody is a double negative and means something completely different.
43. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Especially considering Nokia has about 90,000 employees. That's a pretty large chunk of the company gone just like that.
90. CellularNinja (Posts: 306; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)
why don't you think about the absurdity of your statement before posting it.
92. Ashoaib (Posts: 3135; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
did you thought about yours? no, right?
then why anyone else will think?
2. tech2 (Posts: 3165; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Out of 18000, there are about 12,500 Nokia employees being let go:http://www.gsmarena.com/micros
So basically they acquired Nokia, stripped it to parts and killed it. Pathetic MS !
You can pay Stephen Elop 25 mil and then you say you don't enough for 18000 employees ?!
16. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 897; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
You try to ignore how Google sack Motorola staff right? Either way both Google and Microsoft done the right thing to sack all these overpriced American slackers
18. billgates (banned) (Posts: 555; Member since: 29 May 2014)
Could be worse and live in China.
22. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 897; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
Failed your interview competition ?
47. tasior (Posts: 264; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
Lets look at the statistics:
US: 318 mln
China: 1 350 mln.
US: $17 528
China: $14 625
Which gives GDP per capita:
US: $54 980
That shows, that those 'overpriced American slackers' are five times more efficient, than Chinese hard working people... The fact, that people value themselves, and want to live, not only work, does not make them slackers. Moreover it makes them, happy, satisfied, more efficient and ready for challenges workers.
Have more respect for others.
53. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Look up the meaning of efficiency. And it'd be better if you stop talking foul about China. I think you're an American, and with no disrespect to you, your people or your country, the US economy would have collapsed years ago hadn't it been for China. The Chinese government holds about 1.8 trillion dollars worth of debt from your country in bonds. If the Chinese release those debts, your country and economy would be in a condition even more worse than the poorest country in the world. Your economy would collapse and your people would suffer in poverty and hunger. The Chinese are intelligent people. Sure, there are a lot of cases of human trafficking and other human rights violation, but remember, Apple, an American company, is also held guilty for doing or encouraging such cheap activities, along with low wages and poor working conditions. Do you Americans think of China as just another hugely populated sh*thole? That's a huge mistake. I'm an economics student, and whatever I've written above is true. Remember, the Chinese have the power to cripple the US as well as the World economy. 90% of the products in the market floating about are from China. Everything's MADE IN CHINA, including most of the US economy.
56. tasior (Posts: 264; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
1. I'm not American.
2. I said nothing about China being 'sh*thole' nor about human rights violation. I am not talking foul about China. I just want Chinese guy to stop insulting Americans, in completely unjustified way.
3. "I'm an economics student, and whatever I've written above is true." - is an argument, that will always make Your adversaries laugh.
4. I'm well aware, that showing GDP per capita as efficiency measure is not precise. Nevertheless it shows, how large 'domestic product' has been achieved with only so many hands. Efficiency, development, and knowledge has huge impact on that.
5. As an economics student, You should be well aware, that China is very dependent on western economies, since most of demand comes from there. If anyone would try to sink US economy, China wouldn't stay afloat.
84. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
What? There are 1.3 BILLION Chinese in the World. Even if NO country trades with them, they still can stay afloat by self consumption. The money would revolve within the economy. Of course, there would be no economic growth, but the people wouldn't be poverty or hunger stricken, unlike what could happen with Western economies as I mentioned in my earlier comment.
66. willard12 (Posts: 1418; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Hey Mr. Economics student, what happens to China's economy if the US slaps tarrifs on products produced in China? What is the US trade deficit with China? China buys US bonds because China wants US bonds for guaranteed return on investment. US bonds are not hard to sell and if China doesn't buy them, others will. However, goods can be produced in dozens of other developing nations to include Vietnam, the Philippines, and other countries. Having things made in China weakens (not strengthens) employment from all other countries in the world that would love for manufacturing JOBS to return home. If things weren't made in China at slave labor salaries, it would benefit the all other industrialized countries throughout the world, not weaken them.
83. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Again, the US CANNOT afford to do that. Where would they get their cars being manufactured? Their iPhones and iPads being manufactured? Where would they get all of their furniture, novelty items, PCs, laptops, TVs, ACs, eateries, clothes manufactured? Do you think everything an American uses is being produced in the US itself? WRONG. All of the things being used in the US right now, and all over the world, are manufactured in China. Do you what would happen if the US stops trade with the Chinese? Hunger, poverty, starvation, civil unrest, and due to the US being the only super power and having a huge influence on world trade, ultimately, WW3.
88. tasior (Posts: 264; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
Neither US nor China can afford to do that. Actually, as You even mentioned, this kind of dark scenario would probably sooner or later ended up with nuclear war. Why are You even discussing it? What are You trying to prove?
My conclusion is that Chinese should respect Western World and vice versa. What is Yours? Chinese can disrespect Western World, because their production goes to US?
91. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Did I mention or say that the Chinese should disrespect the West? Please understand my comment and then reply to me.
68. sipha (Posts: 432; Member since: 12 May 2012)
Did you also look at the inequality gap, income distribution and consumer price index?? Macro economics is not as simple as you just made it sound, your information is very innefficient for the conclusion provided..
70. tasior (Posts: 264; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
The conclusion is that Chinese have no basis to call Americans overpriced slackers, and for that data is sufficient.
85. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
See, China has 1.3 billion people, and their economy still isn't completely developed. Similar developing nations with huge populations, like India and Brazil, face similar situation of income inequality. But again, unlike India and Brazil, the world relies on Chinese products, and the Chinese government are very well aware of that. And please don't teach me Macro Economics. If there's one thing I can be proud of in myself, its my focus, grades, information and accuracy on Economics, the subject and the general world economy itself.
86. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)
What China is doing is very well REPLACEABLE, thus makes China EXPENDABLE.
Considering incidents like the Chinese Milk Scandal several years ago, China will never get to the status of a "developed, trustworthy" country.
21. Finalflash (Posts: 2560; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Well he deserved the 25 million, I mean who else could get MS Nokia for a mere 7 billion. It used to be worth like 10x more.
34. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
AGREE. I think those 12,500 Nokia employees is more valueable than elop.
44. threed61 (Posts: 186; Member since: 27 May 2011)
How come no hate for past Nokia Chairmen that uttered such classics lines as, "the iPhone is no threat to us", "consumers don't need smartphones, feature phones are good enough", "consumers don't need apps, they just need a great browser". Or decided to continue releasing fat little candybars when thin was in, or spend way too many years developing Maemo, and then release the first Maemo flagship device with a resistive touchscreen, or take their sweet time upgrading Symbian for touch interface. You wouldn't have to search 2009 stories about Nokia to find numerous analysts predicting its demise already.
51. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
The same way how Google stripped Motorola of its patents and sold it for almost junk to a Chinese PC OEM? You're to ignorant to see Google's wrong doing. That's fine. But refrain from trolling other companies, especially when your own heavenly company has done a lot worse stuff.
63. ZPM101 (Posts: 28; Member since: 12 Apr 2010)
You must be new to the concept of a capitalistic society. I'll give you a short summary. This has been happening since we crawled out of the mud. Like it or not, this happens everyday around the world. If MS decision shocked you, think of this as a life lesson and move on. There's nothing evil about it. Don't take it personally....it's just business.
3. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1641; Member since: 29 May 2014)
Hmmm... I remember seeing someone constantly say how Google stripped Motorola of its parts and patents and sold it for change. Can't remember who it was though. He also kept saying Microsoft would never do that to Nokia...
Guess he was wrong about that!
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7. Scott93274 (Posts: 3566; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
That made me so angry when Google Sold Motorola... but there were no massive layoffs as a result... at least nothing covered by the press. Still Motorola has done will this last year by making a name for themselves as the go to place for quality inexpensive smartphones with strong continued software support. I hope Motorola's market share grows with their Moto line of products.
71. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3326; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
There were 4000 layoffs during the Google/Motorola merger. Bad, but nowhere near this amount.
77. Scott93274 (Posts: 3566; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
That sucks... I never read that... though maybe that's because I never paid much attention to Motorola until the Moto X came out...
5. Scott93274 (Posts: 3566; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
If it's true that they're laying off 12,000+ Nokia employees... That just makes me sick thinking about it. For the next year everyone across both MS and Nokia will be living in fear of loosing their jobs. I would rather find employment elsewhere and not stress about this kind of thing. I'm not going to go and say that Microsoft is evil like Tech2, but they have a struggling mobile platform with no valid plans for how to gain market share. They should have known better than to invest in Nokia and drag them down with them.
73. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Right, because Nokia was doing so good before MS.... Yeah, those layoffs wouldn't have eventual happened... You keep telling yourself that.. Lol!
79. Jinto (Posts: 426; Member since: 15 Jan 2014)
Apparently the shareholders love this, MSFT has hit a new 14 year high
6. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
lol. I still remember how they said that they will keep the jobs in Finland and invest a lot in here.
9. Damo579 (Posts: 242; Member since: 18 May 2013)
They still have jobs in Finland. Read the article on wpcentral it has more details than this article does.
31. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
1 100 jobs were cut in Finland. That's a pretty massive amount for a small country.
And last fall, Microsoft said that the operations in Oulu will continue to operate normally. What happened? They closed the whole research centre. 500 jobs cut from that one city.
8. LoveHater (Posts: 172; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)
Nokia Android phones now officially dead "R.I.P"
29. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Chase Stephen Eflop, and Buttkick the he'll out of him
14. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 897; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
more American loss their job, this just made my day
17. billgates (banned) (Posts: 555; Member since: 29 May 2014)
You are that moron who lives in China right? Last laugh is on you sir, you can stay in that country where you belong
20. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 897; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
Should have hired expert from China, hardworking intelligence yet cheaper price, compared to American worker, lazy yet overpriced. They deserved to be unemployed and punish for their slacks
28. billgates (banned) (Posts: 555; Member since: 29 May 2014)
Lol good one. China is anything but intelligent. Poor working conditions, brainwashed, underage workers, slaughter children for being certain genders.. Pathetic
39. ihavenoname (Posts: 1679; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
I read a story last year about Chinese car that had asbestos in it's brakes. Yup. Asbestos. And it was like one of Chinas biggest car companies.
57. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2387; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Actually the average IQ in China is higher than in the USA. Poor working conditions has nothing to do with intelligence, but with the government, with living standards,etc etc. If you want to sum up awful facts about a country, there is quite a list for USA as well.
80. Jinto (Posts: 426; Member since: 15 Jan 2014)
ihave reported both of you, srry (not really)
82. Augustine (Posts: 1034; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)
Chinese workers work more for less, yet you call them smarter?
69. Ashoaib (Posts: 3135; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
hey, please keep this post related to its topic i.e. MS is cutting jobs, the new resolution of nadella to implement his strategy